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Post by cosbyrider on Feb 15, 2024 20:01:01 GMT
I suspect their ownership of Everton will go like the ownership of their other clubs ie from mini crisis to the next mini crisis So - a slightly better job than the current ownership of Everton now and 75% of the football pyramid? I wouldn’t say 75% of football clubs have suffered transfer bans, court proceedings, players saying they haven’t been paid or at three of their owned clubs fanbases actively protesting against their ownership in the last twelve months. |
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Post by eillo23 on Feb 15, 2024 20:12:56 GMT
I find it hard to judge them on their football teams at present. All of the teams they took ownership of were already in a shit state. Turning these sort of things around is never going to be instant.
If they had started a club from scratch and they were in this mess then fair enough. But taking on an already struggling and poorly run business/football team is a tough thing to turn around. Especially quickly.
You only need to look into the history of the clubs they have taking ownership of to see the task they have given themselves. And let’s be honest, alot of these clubs will still have the same staff in place at high levels.
I read an article about Genoa the other day, and they seem to be doing pretty well there.
I wouldn’t be surprised that if they do get approved for Everton, that they then get blamed for the points deductions that have already been issued!!!
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Post by cosbyrider on Feb 15, 2024 20:32:27 GMT
Doesn’t explain situations like Isaac Hayden’s a loan signing this season who hasn’t been paid or the Brazilian signings that they couldn’t afford the fees for.
The problem for 777 always seems to be cash flow, they pay but it’s always late. The reason these clubs were bought was because of their state essentially. So that’s a burden they’ve placed on themselves
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Post by dexter on Feb 16, 2024 14:22:43 GMT
That's why I said Plymouth and not Patriots in particular. Don't know enough about the politics to know an answer, but a city that can generate a consistent crowd of 1,600 people can't be just dropped by the BBL. They can be saved if a business case can made for building an indoor sports arena in Plymouth. It's not impossible but I don't know enough about the area to know what else it could be used for. I have a few ideas. I've given this some thought. It's not enough to say we have a professional basketball team and 1600 fans so build us an indoor arena. There needs to be other reasons. So here is my argument. 1. Capacity. Plymouth has the Pavillions and Plymouth Life Centre. 2 great facilities, but there's clearly a lack of capacity in the city because otherwise Patriots could play in either of those. They're priced out of Pavillions because the theatre can make more money from shows without having to convert the theatre into a basketball arena. 2. An indoor sports arena for the region (South West England). Due to Bristol's stalling over building a new basketball arena at Ashton Gate there currently isn't already something like this in the region. 3. Other possible tenants. Plymouth has one of the top wheelchair rugby teams in the country; West Country Hawks. Wheelchair rugby is played on a basketball court. Where there's women's or disability sports there's always a chance to get access to funding. Wheelchair rugby is a mixed gender Paralympic sport so maybe there's lottery money for that. 4. Other uses. As far as I can tell the kind of events that use this type of facility are things like Dance Championships and Cheerleader Championships. Typically what they need is a big sports hall and accommodation. If this can be built by a holiday park then it would be a popular option for these kinds of kids' weekend tournaments. |
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Post by D44 on Feb 16, 2024 14:34:14 GMT
From his interview on BTR a little while ago it sounded like the ex-Pats Chairman was prepared to put his hand in his own pocket and fund building a facility but couldn't get planning. Never mind getting grants/money out of local government he couldn't even get planning.
The Eagles very deliberately went down the route of self funding (Paul Blake's Hoopsfix interview a couple of years ago) so nobody could restrict what they could do with the facility or when it could be used.
Let's be honest Plymouth as a BBL team are dead in the water. Manchester has the history and facility going for it, far more attractive.
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Post by tallerman on Feb 16, 2024 15:51:39 GMT
The chairman that xalled himself an owner when he felt like it? I wouldnt believe a word he says. He didnt have a location so the idea of planning permission is laughable! How you can you put plans in place without a location! Theres a 4 hall court in paignton that needs saving, if he, or anyone, was serious, they'd be doing their best to take it on. They're not though, because although it looks like sunshine and roses down here, the bbl isnt a viable or worthwhile thought
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Post by dexter on Feb 16, 2024 15:57:12 GMT
From his interview on BTR a little while ago it sounded like the ex-Pats Chairman was prepared to put his hand in his own pocket and fund building a facility but couldn't get planning. Never mind getting grants/money out of local government he couldn't even get planning. The Eagles very deliberately went down the route of self funding (Paul Blake's Hoopsfix interview a couple of years ago) so nobody could restrict what they could do with the facility or when it could be used. Let's be honest Plymouth as a BBL team are dead in the water. Manchester has the history and facility going for it, far more attractive. It's an unfortunate catch 22. Without an arena Plymouth Patriots are not only worthless, they are a liability. There is no one other than Patriots who needs an arena built in Plymouth. The only way the BBL/777 Partners can sell Patriots is if they build them an arena. So their options are: 1. Continue to fund them with no prospect of ever selling them. 2. Build them an arena. 3. Let them die and go to 9 BBL teams. 4. Relocate them. 5. Replace them with a new BBL team somewhere else. |
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Post by mac on Feb 16, 2024 17:32:32 GMT
I find it hard to judge them on their football teams at present. All of the teams they took ownership of were already in a shit state. So what metric do we use to judge them? We can only judge the evidence in front of us. Multiple court cases against them, a history of not paying staff and suppliers, habitually late posting accounts and as a result a simply terrible worldwide reputation. It's not a good look. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Feb 16, 2024 19:16:46 GMT
The metric you judge 777 by is felony criminal convictions. The other stuff could be chalked up to bad business practice, not criminal behaviour. No brand or investor will buy into BBL unless they are fine with the criminal aspect no matter how long ago it occurred. Any person who choses to go ahead with BBL/777 knowing this will be risking their position and its just not worth it. As for Man City or any PL club partnering with any BBL team (including London) the numbers are too small and risk too high. 2,000 rabid supporters for a Manchester club just isn't of interest. You gents supportive of 777 are not living in the real world. Hope is a very strong thing, but hope without reality, is pointless.
My take, this all unwinds in a very ugly fashion and nobody is coming to save BBL with tens of millions to lose. Reset seems likely.
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Post by spacejammer on Feb 16, 2024 21:48:27 GMT
The metric you judge 777 by is felony criminal convictions. The other stuff could be chalked up to bad business practice, not criminal behaviour. No brand or investor will buy into BBL unless they are fine with the criminal aspect no matter how long ago it occurred. Any person who choses to go ahead with BBL/777 knowing this will be risking their position and its just not worth it. As for Man City or any PL club partnering with any BBL team (including London) the numbers are too small and risk too high. 2,000 rabid supporters for a Manchester club just isn't of interest. You gents supportive of 777 are not living in the real world. Hope is a very strong thing, but hope without reality, is pointless. My take, this all unwinds in a very ugly fashion and nobody is coming to save BBL with tens of millions to lose. Reset seems likely. After seeing their packed house tonight it would be sad to see the Patriots or a team dissolve in Plymouth if they aren't saved. All this talk has now got me thinking if investors are potentially put off investing in a current team. I'm now wondering if this is putting off any potential new teams coming into the league? Their was talks of a Birmingham franchise not to long ago and Reading? |
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Post by naenia on Feb 16, 2024 23:41:47 GMT
The metric you judge 777 by is felony criminal convictions. The other stuff could be chalked up to bad business practice, not criminal behaviour. No brand or investor will buy into BBL unless they are fine with the criminal aspect no matter how long ago it occurred. Any person who choses to go ahead with BBL/777 knowing this will be risking their position and its just not worth it. As for Man City or any PL club partnering with any BBL team (including London) the numbers are too small and risk too high. 2,000 rabid supporters for a Manchester club just isn't of interest. You gents supportive of 777 are not living in the real world. Hope is a very strong thing, but hope without reality, is pointless. My take, this all unwinds in a very ugly fashion and nobody is coming to save BBL with tens of millions to lose. Reset seems likely. After seeing their packed house tonight it would be sad to see the Patriots or a team dissolve in Plymouth if they aren't saved. All this talk has now got me thinking if investors are potentially put off investing in a current team. I'm now wondering if this is putting off any potential new teams coming into the league? Their was talks of a Birmingham franchise not to long ago and Reading? I haven't got anything to back this up, but my assumption is that no new team will join the league without a proper arena. I think the current owners put a lot of stock into optics/aesthetics and if a team can't make its home games look good on Sky, then they don't see any advantage to adding them. I often think Surrey and Bristol are lucky to already be in the league in that regard. I think that's been the problem with the prospective new Birmingham team anyway - that there's no readily available and appropriately sized venue (the arenas are too big and expensive and local leisure centres won't cut it anymore). I would guess there's a similar situation in Reading. |
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Post by mac on Feb 23, 2024 10:18:28 GMT
After seeing their packed house tonight it would be sad to see the Patriots or a team dissolve in Plymouth if they aren't saved. All this talk has now got me thinking if investors are potentially put off investing in a current team. I'm now wondering if this is putting off any potential new teams coming into the league? Their was talks of a Birmingham franchise not to long ago and Reading? I haven't got anything to back this up, but my assumption is that no new team will join the league without a proper arena. I think the current owners put a lot of stock into optics/aesthetics and if a team can't make its home games look good on Sky, then they don't see any advantage to adding them. I often think Surrey and Bristol are lucky to already be in the league in that regard. I think that's been the problem with the prospective new Birmingham team anyway - that there's no readily available and appropriately sized venue (the arenas are too big and expensive and local leisure centres won't cut it anymore). I would guess there's a similar situation in Reading. The lack of suitable and affordable premises in Birmingham is a puzzle. Back in the day I enjoyed many a good night at the Aston Centre including a pint or 2 after the game with a certain Robbie P. Sadly it seems the building was condemned years ago. Reasonably easy to get to with a capacity of around 4,000 and a raucous atmosphere. |
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Post by cosbyrider on Feb 23, 2024 10:24:02 GMT
Having lived in Brum, I can only vouch for the lack of the right sort of place.
Plenty of Bristol type arenas
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Post by dexter on Feb 23, 2024 10:58:11 GMT
My guess regarding Birmingham is that because it has the two very big arenas (NIA and NEC), and it has good smaller facilities such as University of Birmingham Sports Centre there really isn't any pressure to build a medium size venue. Other than a BBL team what couldn't Birmingham host with the facilities it has?
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Post by Swish on Feb 24, 2024 17:12:09 GMT
Wasn’t there a community hall underneath the NIA, sure the Bullets or another reincarnation of pro basketball in Birmingham played out of their isn’t that big enough or has it gone also
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Post by sporty7 on Feb 24, 2024 18:00:17 GMT
From memory it was not big enough for seating
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