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Post by tony on Dec 1, 2022 10:13:21 GMT
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Post by LTfan on Dec 1, 2022 10:54:15 GMT
This quote interested me...
"a difficult start to the season as a constantly changing roster adapts to the unique challenges of a new-look BBL."
The challenge of a constantly changing roster - yes.
The challenge of a new-look BBL - what are they referring to there? Is it a veiled criticism of the removal of the salary cap?
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Post by irf on Dec 1, 2022 11:43:58 GMT
Lots of words
But basically nothing of any real substance there
(He confirms Eagles have a "robust" budget)
They've clearly just spent it worse than ever this season
It's as simple as that IMO
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Post by irf on Dec 1, 2022 11:46:14 GMT
This quote interested me... "a difficult start to the season as a constantly changing roster adapts to the unique challenges of a new-look BBL."The challenge of a constantly changing roster - yes. The challenge of a new-look BBL - what are they referring to there? Is it a veiled criticism of the removal of the salary cap? That would only really be relevant if Lions were the only team hammering Eagles He shouldn't be looking for any excuses |
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Post by johnmc on Dec 1, 2022 13:25:52 GMT
Thought this was an odd choice of phrase:
“Basketball, more than most team sports, relies heavily on chemistry and new teams, by their very nature, don’t have that chemistry."
Someone should tell that to the Bristol Flyers and Manchester Giants, who seem to be doing okay...
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Post by D44 on Dec 1, 2022 15:26:23 GMT
Slightly weird phrasing/article. Not sure it was really necessary.
Most BBL teams have big roster churn year to year and at least manage to put together a cohesive team with a game plan. Import players of the quality of Fletch, Smith, Martin, Hyatt, Chapman, Walker (to name a few) sticking around for multiple seasons is the exception not the norm.
And as I've said before if we are building for the future where's the young Brits? Where's our Patrick Whelan or Aaron Manzies? Or even our Kaboza, Corey Samuels or Blake Bowman? Why are we starting players in their mid 30s over the younger guys on the roster?
I get what's the owner is saying but there's no evidence of this being the case with the current roster. If this was a rebuild roster it would be young Brits with experienced imports not vice versa.
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Post by irf on Dec 1, 2022 15:39:17 GMT
Thought this was an odd choice of phrase: “Basketball, more than most team sports, relies heavily on chemistry and new teams, by their very nature, don’t have that chemistry." Someone should tell that to the Bristol Flyers and Manchester Giants, who seem to be doing okay... And Glasgow |
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Post by D44 on Dec 1, 2022 15:44:09 GMT
Lots of words But basically nothing of any real substance there (He confirms Eagles have a "robust" budget) They've clearly just spent it worse than ever this season It's as simple as that IMO Getting absolutely NOTHING out of our 3 import bigs (who won't be cheap and two of which have great pedigree) and still relying on Defoe is a real nail in the coffin for this season and looks really bad on both the coach and the organisation. |
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Post by dexter on Dec 1, 2022 16:00:36 GMT
Thought this was an odd choice of phrase: “Basketball, more than most team sports, relies heavily on chemistry and new teams, by their very nature, don’t have that chemistry." Someone should tell that to the Bristol Flyers and Manchester Giants, who seem to be doing okay... “Basketball, more than most team sports, relies heavily on chemistry”. Is this true? And why is this, compared to rugby or football? Is it because players are closer together, so you have to anticipate what your teammate is going to do rather than react? Is it because there is a wider range of what a player is likely to do rather than just run, kick or pass? |
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Post by irf on Dec 1, 2022 16:09:02 GMT
Slightly weird phrasing/article. Not sure it was really necessary. Most BBL teams have big roster churn year to year and at least manage to put together a cohesive team with a game plan. Import players of the quality of Fletch, Smith, Martin, Hyatt, Chapman, Walker (to name a few) sticking around for multiple seasons is the exception not the norm. And as I've said before if we are building for the future where's the young Brits? Where's our Patrick Whelan or Aaron Manzies? Or even our Kaboza, Corey Samuels or Blake Bowman? Why are we starting players in their mid 30s over the younger guys on the roster? I get what's the owner is saying but there's no evidence of this being the case with the current roster. If this was a rebuild roster it would be young Brits with experienced imports not vice versa. Basically nothing he says suggests he has any answers to improve things Talking about what happened many years ago doesn't help create a winning squad in the current era And it's all well and good having great community basketball in the North East but that has zero bearing on how the professional team performs He's promised improvement every year since Charles Smith had his last season with Eagles Every year theyve dropped further down the league Talking about getting it right ten years ago won't help anybody get it right now The BBL is totally different now than it was ten years ago Every team has improved except Eagles He's ensured the fans have got a great arena. Full respect to him for that He needs to stand up and be counted now and create a winning team again. He says Eagles shouldn't be expected to dominate the league? Nobody has ever suggested that have they? They should at least be competing at the top though. Not at the very bottom The more interviews I read from him then more I doubt it will be him who oversees Eagles being back at the top again Have Eagles even got a proper shirt sponsor yet? |
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Post by irf on Dec 1, 2022 16:28:44 GMT
Lots of words But basically nothing of any real substance there (He confirms Eagles have a "robust" budget) They've clearly just spent it worse than ever this season It's as simple as that IMO Getting absolutely NOTHING out of our 3 import bigs (who won't be cheap and two of which have great pedigree) and still relying on Defoe is a real nail in the coffin for this season and looks really bad on both the coach and the organisation. I think he's just plain wrong. He's living in the past. He's referring to back to the period when Eagles had a top quality settled squad who stayed pretty much together for several years winning everything. That doesn't happen in BBL any more The top players get poached quickly and move onwards and upwards If eagles somehow found the next younger version of Fletch they would have him for a season and then he would be off to Europe to earn more money If they somehow ended up with the next young version of Charles Smith - same thing would happen although he might head to London rather than Europe Teams have to come together and perform from day one. The coach and players have to gel quickly Nowadays you recruit a team season on season. You need a strong core of Brits (as long as they aren't too good they may hang around a bit especially if they have kids). And if you find a great import player do the best you can to keep them more than one or two seasons but don't hold your breath It's all about quality player recruitment season on season then getting the very best out of your squad asap whilst you've got them A good coach clearly helps I'm not blaming Steutel myself at this stage As it stands the other owners and other clubs are showing they know more about what it takes to build a team for BBL than the Eagles owner He can't live on past glories for ever Can he? |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Dec 1, 2022 18:06:14 GMT
Phoenix have had the issue of players moving on for a good many years. If a player has a really good season, someone offers them more money, if they have a poor season we don't want them back!!
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Post by spacejammer on Dec 1, 2022 19:09:41 GMT
Interesting from reading this I'm guessing the lid must have blown of the kettle which finally led to PB coming out to make a statement.
Which I certainly think us fans were owed especially after the recent string of results.
I appreciate him coming out and admitting that the results on the court have been unacceptable and not great so far.
However tommorow night will be where I hope to see proof that things will turn around.
I think at this stage a good run in the Trophy is our best shot if we can somehow formulate some momentum.
And it is now the start of a new month and Christmas month.
So perhaps starting tommorow our broken down Tyne and Wear Metro version of team might start to blossom like the Polar Express come the end of the year.
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Post by tallerman on Dec 1, 2022 19:10:42 GMT
Slightly weird phrasing/article. Not sure it was really necessary. Most BBL teams have big roster churn year to year and at least manage to put together a cohesive team with a game plan. Import players of the quality of Fletch, Smith, Martin, Hyatt, Chapman, Walker (to name a few) sticking around for multiple seasons is the exception not the norm. And as I've said before if we are building for the future where's the young Brits? Where's our Patrick Whelan or Aaron Manzies? Or even our Kaboza, Corey Samuels or Blake Bowman? Why are we starting players in their mid 30s over the younger guys on the roster? I get what's the owner is saying but there's no evidence of this being the case with the current roster. If this was a rebuild roster it would be young Brits with experienced imports not vice versa. Ive tried to prove you wrong with some players but there seems to be no listed roster on their website for this season! So from memory The tall lad that go injured last year from Worcester Denz Rgb Anyone other brits in their mid 20s on the squad? |
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Post by D44 on Dec 1, 2022 19:46:48 GMT
Daniel Johnson Thompson is who your thinking of, and he got injured and dumped after one season. He'd probably be more useful than Shelton and for much less cost.
Denz is our fourth choice PG, if we're developing him and aiming to keep him long term he'd be getting minutes over Cohn/Johnson.
RGB, hard to say we he got injured. But they would be the profile of Brit I'd be expecting us to recruit if this was actually a rebuild.
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Post by irf on Dec 1, 2022 20:29:48 GMT
Daniel Johnson Thompson is who your thinking of, and he got injured and dumped after one season. He'd probably be more useful than Shelton and for much less cost. Denz is our fourth choice PG, if we're developing him and aiming to keep him long term he'd be getting minutes over Cohn/Johnson. RGB, hard to say we he got injured. But they would be the profile of Brit I'd be expecting us to recruit if this was actually a rebuild. To recruit quality Brits to stay for a few years You need good houses for them, jobs lined up for the partners/wives, cars etc And look after them properly on and off the court And a decent salary Get them settled in the area During Eagles decline one of your solid Brits saw an opportunity to move to Riders for what he clearly thought was a better deal overall So we got Andy Thomson for last few years of his career whilst Eagles struggled with a shallow squad Lions clearly offered Josh Ward Hibbert a great deal to make him jump ship to them! You've got to pull up a few trees to attract Brits to build around sometimes |
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Post by irf on Dec 1, 2022 20:31:17 GMT
In fairness when Eagles took Corey Johnson from Riders that was a step in the right direction
But they needed more and better quality around him and they might have moved forward rather than back
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Post by stevetino on Dec 1, 2022 22:08:04 GMT
In fairness when Eagles took Corey Johnson from Riders that was a step in the right direction But they needed more and better quality around him and they might have moved forward rather than back Corey Johnson played all his best games in a riders shirt tho IRF |
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Post by spacejammer on Dec 1, 2022 22:20:17 GMT
In fairness when Eagles took Corey Johnson from Riders that was a step in the right direction But they needed more and better quality around him and they might have moved forward rather than back Corey Johnson played all his best games in a riders shirt tho IRF Agreed, looked like a great signing last season and ended up not being so great for us was Johnson. However I will also add that Thompson played his best games in an Eagles shirt considering he managed to clean sweep with us? |
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Post by irf on Dec 2, 2022 7:49:15 GMT
Corey Johnson played all his best games in a riders shirt tho IRF Agreed, looked like a great signing last season and ended up not being so great for us was Johnson. However I will also add that Thompson played his best games in an Eagles shirt considering he managed to clean sweep with us? Yet he wanted to leave Eagles to play for Riders? He did great for us. Won loads of trophies whilst Eagles continued to decline. He left a club very much starting to struggle to join a club very much going in the right direction Eagles owner could probably learn an awful lot taking to Andy and understanding what the differences were and why he left etc |
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