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Post by D44 on Dec 4, 2022 12:14:04 GMT
What’s Newby up to now anyway? One of the Directors of Basketball England and he's also coaching Durham WBBL side (I think the league stepped in to save the team as per Plymouth when they ran out of funding and put him in charge temporarily) |
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Post by irf on Dec 4, 2022 15:19:19 GMT
What’s Newby up to now anyway? One of the Directors of Basketball England and he's also coaching Durham WBBL side (I think the league stepped in to save the team as per Plymouth when they ran out of funding and put him in charge temporarily) If he's coaching Durham he can't be too far away from Newcastle Him as coach next season and they would get back on track very quickly Wouldn't need time to reboot, rebuild or gain chemistry He would create a Top 4 squad from day one and then build from there I hate saying all that really as its not really fair on Steutel who's been well and truly thrown in the deep end taking on Eagles as his first BBL job |
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Post by erj14 on Dec 4, 2022 19:22:54 GMT
Yes and no, I guess. He's operating in a different stratosphere realistically, so other than G League rejects (such as our new signing! I'm not sure how helpful he can be. He's not exactly gonna be watching a load of college ball thats relevant to our level, but I'm sure he'll help where he can. He spent some time over here in the summer working out academy players, which I'm sure was great for those lads. Also lovely to see him back here. He's obviously revered up here for what he achieved but he was such a lovely presence around the club as well. Always had time for anyone, he's a big miss in so many ways. The best G League rejects combined into one squad would be more than good enough to challenge at the top of BBL wouldn't they? Working with players rather than just watching them has to be a huge advantage? You would think would help make Eagles recruitment lesson risky than the rest? All other things being equal? I guess it's easier said than done though? You need to get pieces that fit together and also want to come here. I get what you mean, I just think it's hard to achieve in reality. |
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Post by dandayr on Dec 4, 2022 23:52:02 GMT
Another week another roster change, what a shambles wondering if a player let slip there is actually more to come? In an interview show during the game Hamlet when asked how he feels he is playing talks about that the tema not winning is what matters and mentions hopes to see things better with new teammates coming not a new teammate coming in, but new teammates coming in - so either he is referring to all the changes since he arrived at Eagles, or he has dropped in that French is not the only incoming teammate. |
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Post by spacejammer on Dec 5, 2022 8:59:53 GMT
Another week another roster change, what a shambles wondering if a player let slip there is actually more to come? In an interview show during the game Hamlet when asked how he feels he is playing talks about that the tema not winning is what matters and mentions hopes to see things better with new teammates coming not a new teammate coming in, but new teammates coming in - so either he is referring to all the changes since he arrived at Eagles, or he has dropped in that French is not the only incoming teammate. At this rate come the end of season 2023 I predict that we all won't be more then 100m from a former Newcastle Eagles Player. |
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Post by irf on Dec 5, 2022 11:54:42 GMT
I'm going to say employing inexperienced newcomer BBL coaches although cheaper initially is ending up costing far more
If you can't recruit well you end up paying twice, three times or even four times
And even the most experienced coaches (including Rob don't get recruitment right every time)
But they do get it right more often than not
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Post by D44 on Dec 5, 2022 12:32:30 GMT
Lloyd Gardener at Scorchers IRF?
Very highly thought of experienced coach, decent budget, same recruitment issues. It's 100% not that easy/simple.
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Post by erj14 on Dec 5, 2022 13:44:31 GMT
I'm going to say employing inexperienced newcomer BBL coaches although cheaper initially is ending up costing far more If you can't recruit well you end up paying twice, three times or even four times And even the most experienced coaches (including Rob don't get recruitment right every time) But they do get it right more often than not I genuinely don't think hiring Steutel was done to save some money. No way. |
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Post by irf on Dec 5, 2022 13:51:07 GMT
I'm going to say employing inexperienced newcomer BBL coaches although cheaper initially is ending up costing far more If you can't recruit well you end up paying twice, three times or even four times And even the most experienced coaches (including Rob don't get recruitment right every time) But they do get it right more often than not I genuinely don't think hiring Steutel was done to save some money. No way. Last 2 coach appointments IMO were cheaper and easier options Certainly cheaper than Matt Newby |
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Post by blueskies99 on Dec 5, 2022 13:53:41 GMT
Lloyd Gardener at Scorchers IRF? Very highly thought of experienced coach, decent budget, same recruitment issues. It's 100% not that easy/simple. Hasn't Gardener had previous BBL coaching experience?......Manchester, London.... |
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Post by irf on Dec 5, 2022 14:19:16 GMT
Lloyd Gardener at Scorchers IRF? Very highly thought of experienced coach, decent budget, same recruitment issues. It's 100% not that easy/simple. Eagles player budget should be significantly higher than Scorchers surely?? You can't compare the two clubs IMO Regardless as I said every coach makes recruitment mistakes No BBL club is consistently making more recruitment mistakes than Eagles though I don't think that's even up for debate is it? |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Dec 5, 2022 15:19:33 GMT
Lloyd Gardener at Scorchers IRF? Very highly thought of experienced coach, decent budget, same recruitment issues. It's 100% not that easy/simple. Eagles player budget should be significantly higher than Scorchers surely?? You can't compare the two clubs IMO Regardless as I said every coach makes recruitment mistakes No BBL club is consistently making more recruitment mistakes than Eagles though I don't think that's even up for debate is it? You really won't let this go, will you? |
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Post by tallerman on Dec 5, 2022 15:32:47 GMT
Lloyd Gardener at Scorchers IRF? Very highly thought of experienced coach, decent budget, same recruitment issues. It's 100% not that easy/simple. Eagles player budget should be significantly higher than Scorchers surely?? You can't compare the two clubs IMO Regardless as I said every coach makes recruitment mistakes No BBL club is consistently making more recruitment mistakes than Eagles though I don't think that's even up for debate is it? Depends how you look at recruitment mistakes. Plymouth have 7 players and 2 bench warmers. Id say thats a huge recruitment mistake. Are Newcastle at the peak cheshire/raiders revolving door stage yet? Quite possibly Which team let a player go first this year? |
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Post by irf on Dec 5, 2022 15:42:14 GMT
Eagles player budget should be significantly higher than Scorchers surely?? You can't compare the two clubs IMO Regardless as I said every coach makes recruitment mistakes No BBL club is consistently making more recruitment mistakes than Eagles though I don't think that's even up for debate is it? You really won't let this go, will you? Just replying to a post MRF |
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Post by erj14 on Dec 5, 2022 17:48:11 GMT
I genuinely don't think hiring Steutel was done to save some money. No way. Last 2 coach appointments IMO were cheaper and easier options Certainly cheaper than Matt Newby Even if they are cheaper and easier, I still don't think either appointment was made because it was 'on the cheap'. I think it's more likely that ownership genuinely wanted to give local lads, who've grown through the Eagles system, a chance at being a BBL coach. Otherwise, what's the point in developing coaches? I think ownership know/knew how important the head coach role is and wouldn't scrimp on someone if they think they're the right man for the job. I'd happily question their judgement who that person should be, but don't accept they're making important decisions based on 'what's easiest or cheapest'. |
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Post by erj14 on Dec 5, 2022 17:54:52 GMT
Lloyd Gardener at Scorchers IRF? Very highly thought of experienced coach, decent budget, same recruitment issues. It's 100% not that easy/simple. Eagles player budget should be significantly higher than Scorchers surely?? You can't compare the two clubs IMO Regardless as I said every coach makes recruitment mistakes No BBL club is consistently making more recruitment mistakes than Eagles though I don't think that's even up for debate is it? 100% this, but we have a rookie BBL coach who was in D3 last year. We have to accept that this is a learning process for him and hopefully there will be an improvement next year and maybe (not holding my breath like!) even as this season develops we might start to see things pick up, as he gets a handle on his players. If there isn't an improvement next year then questions should rightly be asked. Now isn't the time. As annoying as it is to see money being squandered on poor players/players who don't fit, it probably doesn't have as high a financial impact on the club as you would expect. I can't imagine league position has a huge baring on final income, so maybe it's worth a season of experimentation? |
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Post by irf on Dec 5, 2022 22:02:33 GMT
Eagles player budget should be significantly higher than Scorchers surely?? You can't compare the two clubs IMO Regardless as I said every coach makes recruitment mistakes No BBL club is consistently making more recruitment mistakes than Eagles though I don't think that's even up for debate is it? 100% this, but we have a rookie BBL coach who was in D3 last year. We have to accept that this is a learning process for him and hopefully there will be an improvement next year and maybe (not holding my breath like!) even as this season develops we might start to see things pick up, as he gets a handle on his players. If there isn't an improvement next year then questions should rightly be asked. Now isn't the time. As annoying as it is to see money being squandered on poor players/players who don't fit, it probably doesn't have as high a financial impact on the club as you would expect. I can't imagine league position has a huge baring on final income, so maybe it's worth a season of experimentation? Very interesting point In Ice Hockey Nottingham Panthers die-hard fans constantly complain about lack of success on the ice and their owner not investing more in the squad etc But he's a businessman and regardless of results the Panthers get big crowds and make profit for him etc They've often discussed fans boycotting matches to make the owner sit up and take notice and invest more in the squad I'm not suggesting the Eagles owner doesn't care about success on the court. I'm sure he does But from a business point of view if Eagles still get sell out crowds even when bottom of the league then it's not half as bad a problem to put up with year on year Than if crowds were dropping as a result of poor results |
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Post by erj14 on Dec 5, 2022 22:56:21 GMT
100% this, but we have a rookie BBL coach who was in D3 last year. We have to accept that this is a learning process for him and hopefully there will be an improvement next year and maybe (not holding my breath like!) even as this season develops we might start to see things pick up, as he gets a handle on his players. If there isn't an improvement next year then questions should rightly be asked. Now isn't the time. As annoying as it is to see money being squandered on poor players/players who don't fit, it probably doesn't have as high a financial impact on the club as you would expect. I can't imagine league position has a huge baring on final income, so maybe it's worth a season of experimentation? Very interesting point In Ice Hockey Nottingham Panthers die-hard fans constantly complain about lack of success on the ice and their owner not investing more in the squad etc But he's a businessman and regardless of results the Panthers get big crowds and make profit for him etc They've often discussed fans boycotting matches to make the owner sit up and take notice and invest more in the squad I'm not suggesting the Eagles owner doesn't care about success on the court. I'm sure he does But from a business point of view if Eagles still get sell out crowds even when bottom of the league then it's not half as bad a problem to put up with year on year Than if crowds were dropping as a result of poor results Can't speak for other clubs, but at Eagles I would say only a handful of attendees would be influenced by a lack of results. The make up of Eagles BBL game nights tends to be: • Season ticket holders (die hards who have a true connection with the club). For me this is the only group who may be influenced by a poor performing team, but most will be there through thick and thin. • Basketball fans, who maybe attend between 3-10 games a year. You can spot them usually with their NBA merch on. • Families who maybe attend 1 or 2 a season. • Families or school groups who are there to watch their child involved in something (dancers, hoops for health finals, youth basketball tournaments etc.) Think it would take a pretty awful team to see it have a decent impact on crowds. We've had a good go at testing that resolve so far this year mind! |
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Post by irf on Dec 6, 2022 7:49:02 GMT
Very interesting point In Ice Hockey Nottingham Panthers die-hard fans constantly complain about lack of success on the ice and their owner not investing more in the squad etc But he's a businessman and regardless of results the Panthers get big crowds and make profit for him etc They've often discussed fans boycotting matches to make the owner sit up and take notice and invest more in the squad I'm not suggesting the Eagles owner doesn't care about success on the court. I'm sure he does But from a business point of view if Eagles still get sell out crowds even when bottom of the league then it's not half as bad a problem to put up with year on year Than if crowds were dropping as a result of poor results Can't speak for other clubs, but at Eagles I would say only a handful of attendees would be influenced by a lack of results. The make up of Eagles BBL game nights tends to be: • Season ticket holders (die hards who have a true connection with the club). For me this is the only group who may be influenced by a poor performing team, but most will be there through thick and thin. • Basketball fans, who maybe attend between 3-10 games a year. You can spot them usually with their NBA merch on. • Families who maybe attend 1 or 2 a season. • Families or school groups who are there to watch their child involved in something (dancers, hoops for health finals, youth basketball tournaments etc.) Think it would take a pretty awful team to see it have a decent impact on crowds. We've had a good go at testing that resolve so far this year mind! It certainly takes the pressure off |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Dec 6, 2022 10:18:08 GMT
100% this, but we have a rookie BBL coach who was in D3 last year. We have to accept that this is a learning process for him and hopefully there will be an improvement next year and maybe (not holding my breath like!) even as this season develops we might start to see things pick up, as he gets a handle on his players. If there isn't an improvement next year then questions should rightly be asked. Now isn't the time. As annoying as it is to see money being squandered on poor players/players who don't fit, it probably doesn't have as high a financial impact on the club as you would expect. I can't imagine league position has a huge baring on final income, so maybe it's worth a season of experimentation? Very interesting point In Ice Hockey Nottingham Panthers die-hard fans constantly complain about lack of success on the ice and their owner not investing more in the squad etc But he's a businessman and regardless of results the Panthers get big crowds and make profit for him etc They've often discussed fans boycotting matches to make the owner sit up and take notice and invest more in the squad I'm not suggesting the Eagles owner doesn't care about success on the court. I'm sure he does But from a business point of view if Eagles still get sell out crowds even when bottom of the league then it's not half as bad a problem to put up with year on year Than if crowds were dropping as a result of poor results Speaking of crowd numbers dropping - anyone else noticed that definitely seems to be happening at Riders? Given the success we've enjoyed it's concerning that so few attend live games. |
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