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Post by dandayr on Jun 14, 2023 20:58:14 GMT
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Post by bigdunk on Jun 16, 2023 18:05:13 GMT
If rumours on signings are true Rocks are going to raise more than a few eyebrows. Team is starting start of august so expecting to see news heating up in July.
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Post by dexter on Jun 16, 2023 19:47:26 GMT
If rumours on signings are true Rocks are going to raise more than a few eyebrows. Team is starting start of august so expecting to see news heating up in July. I really hope so. It would be brilliant if Lions and Gladiators can have a FC Barcelona Vs Real Madrid relationship. That is what the BBL needs. |
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Post by bigdunk on Jun 26, 2023 20:26:12 GMT
Does anyone know what European competition the Rocks are entering?
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Post by dexter on Jun 27, 2023 0:12:59 GMT
Does anyone know what European competition the Rocks are entering? I believe it is the qualifiers for Champions League, which they will probably lose. They will then have the option to play in the FIBA Europe Cup. |
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Post by jt on Jun 27, 2023 8:34:07 GMT
Does anyone know what European competition the Rocks are entering? I believe it is the qualifiers for Champions League, which they will probably lose. They will then have the option to play in the FIBA Europe Cup. I'm fairly sure they've said they'll enter the Europe Cup if/when they fail to qualify, a proper statement of intent. |
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Post by lochrocks on Jun 27, 2023 18:25:40 GMT
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Post by bigdunk on Jun 27, 2023 19:45:01 GMT
How would the FIBA euro cup compare in standard to the ENBL that flyers and eagles have entered?
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Post by spacejammer on Jun 27, 2023 20:56:31 GMT
How would the FIBA euro cup compare in standard to the ENBL that flyers and eagles have entered? I would imagine given how it is a young competition its probably lower then the EuroCup and possibly on par with the Champions League so I reckon it's about joint 3rd tier compared to the Euro Cup and Turkish Airlines Euro League. Let's be honest for a BBL whether it's 1st or 3rd tier again the opportunity to play any European Ball is exciting and something I look forward to especially as I was quite jealous of Lions and Riders for giving it a go in recent years. I'm not 100% sure what the requirements are for this competition financially and arena size etc... But it is allows opportunity for teams from smaller Basketball supported nations the opportunity to progress then I think its a good for the BBL as well. And if Caledonia can manage to qualify and join the Euro party then it gives the BBL even more recognition on the European stage hopefully. |
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Post by dexter on Jun 27, 2023 21:19:31 GMT
I would say FIBA Europe Cup and ENBL are the same level.
Basketball Champions League and EuroCup are the same level.
The difference is in the number of games and locations.
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Post by cosbyrider on Jun 28, 2023 5:55:46 GMT
Disappointed to see Riders giving Europe a miss again.
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Jun 28, 2023 12:42:34 GMT
I appreciate European basketball can be a little confusing and having two competitions with very similar names doesn't help but I wish people would stop talking about the Basketball Champions League like it's inferior to EuroCup. If anything I think it's probably slightly the stronger of the two at this point. Malaga and Tenerife were two of the best teams in Spain last season. Both outperformed Gran Canaria domestically. Neither made the BCL final. I think there are probably more teams of genuine quality in Europe Cup than the ENBL (there are obviously far more teams involved full stop) but the two competitions do appear to correlate fairly well. The current Europe Cup champions also won the inaugural ENBL and there were teams last season that played in both competitions simultaneously. It's a minor European competition but I reckon there will be plenty of sides in the ENBL capable of battering Eagles if they're close to as bad next season as they have been the last two. I hope Steutel's a fast learner. If he isn't and Eagles' budget is not about to increase dramatically, I can see it being another difficult year. Disappointed to see Riders giving Europe a miss again. It's maddening isn't it. I realise I'm not exactly going to endear myself to fans of other clubs with these comments but next season, the BBL will be represented in Europe by... A perennial mid table side that's won two domestic trophies in 25 years. A team that plays in an 800 capacity college gym. And a team that has been legitimately one of the worst in the league two years running. But by the looks of it, no Riders. It would be a bit like having... Crystal Palace, Bournemouth and Luton Town play European football next season but not Arsenal. Every fan in the country would think football had gone nuts. We just don't seem to think about European basketball in the same way. Not in Britain anyway. On court performance is treated as a complete non-requirement. You just need to hold you hand up one year and decide you fancy giving it a go. Sorry to sound so bitter but I find the whole thing infuriating. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jun 28, 2023 16:20:12 GMT
I appreciate European basketball can be a little confusing and having two competitions with very similar names doesn't help but I wish people would stop talking about the Basketball Champions League like it's inferior to EuroCup. If anything I think it's probably slightly the stronger of the two at this point. Malaga and Tenerife were two of the best teams in Spain last season. Both outperformed Gran Canaria domestically. Neither made the BCL final. I think there are probably more teams of genuine quality in Europe Cup than the ENBL (there are obviously far more teams involved full stop) but the two competitions do appear to correlate fairly well. The current Europe Cup champions also won the inaugural ENBL and there were teams last season that played in both competitions simultaneously. It's a minor European competition but I reckon there will be plenty of sides in the ENBL capable of battering Eagles if they're close to as bad next season as they have been the last two. I hope Steutel's a fast learner. If he isn't and Eagles' budget is not about to increase dramatically, I can see it being another difficult year. Disappointed to see Riders giving Europe a miss again. It's maddening isn't it. I realise I'm not exactly going to endear myself to fans of other clubs with these comments but next season, the BBL will be represented in Europe by... A perennial mid table side that's won two domestic trophies in 25 years. A team that plays in an 800 capacity college gym. And a team that has been legitimately one of the worst in the league two years running. But by the looks of it, no Riders. It would be a bit like having... Crystal Palace, Bournemouth and Luton Town play European football next season but not Arsenal. Every fan in the country would think football had gone nuts. We just don't seem to think about European basketball in the same way. Not in Britain anyway. On court performance is treated as a complete non-requirement. You just need to hold you hand up one year and decide you fancy giving it a go. Sorry to sound so bitter but I find the whole thing infuriating. You are spot on. It makes absolutely no sense for any club to be playing in Europe at this stage. It’s just flushing money down the toilet and sponsors and media do not care. BBL should focus on getting full arenas and real media exposure first. Playing in meaningless European compétions showcasing extremely marginal US and U.K. talent, will not lead to anything but more lacklustre reviews, and will not lead to more fans falling in love with British basketball!!! Enough!! |
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Post by blueskies99 on Jun 28, 2023 16:34:15 GMT
My understanding of the European basket ball scene is based upon the following hierarchy....
1) Euroleague
2) EuroCup
3) Basketball Champions League (BCL)
4) FIBA Euro Cup
5) ...any other competitions....
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Post by cosbyrider on Jun 28, 2023 17:18:53 GMT
I appreciate European basketball can be a little confusing and having two competitions with very similar names doesn't help but I wish people would stop talking about the Basketball Champions League like it's inferior to EuroCup. If anything I think it's probably slightly the stronger of the two at this point. Malaga and Tenerife were two of the best teams in Spain last season. Both outperformed Gran Canaria domestically. Neither made the BCL final. I think there are probably more teams of genuine quality in Europe Cup than the ENBL (there are obviously far more teams involved full stop) but the two competitions do appear to correlate fairly well. The current Europe Cup champions also won the inaugural ENBL and there were teams last season that played in both competitions simultaneously. It's a minor European competition but I reckon there will be plenty of sides in the ENBL capable of battering Eagles if they're close to as bad next season as they have been the last two. I hope Steutel's a fast learner. If he isn't and Eagles' budget is not about to increase dramatically, I can see it being another difficult year. It's maddening isn't it. I realise I'm not exactly going to endear myself to fans of other clubs with these comments but next season, the BBL will be represented in Europe by... A perennial mid table side that's won two domestic trophies in 25 years. A team that plays in an 800 capacity college gym. And a team that has been legitimately one of the worst in the league two years running. But by the looks of it, no Riders. It would be a bit like having... Crystal Palace, Bournemouth and Luton Town play European football next season but not Arsenal. Every fan in the country would think football had gone nuts. We just don't seem to think about European basketball in the same way. Not in Britain anyway. On court performance is treated as a complete non-requirement. You just need to hold you hand up one year and decide you fancy giving it a go. Sorry to sound so bitter but I find the whole thing infuriating. You are spot on. It makes absolutely no sense for any club to be playing in Europe at this stage. It’s just flushing money down the toilet and sponsors and media do not care. BBL should focus on getting full arenas and real media exposure first. Playing in meaningless European compétions showcasing extremely marginal US and U.K. talent, will not lead to anything but more lacklustre reviews, and will not lead to more fans falling in love with British basketball!!! Enough!! Disagree to an extent. There’s a place for British clubs playing in the Champs League / Europe Cup. Because you can be competitive without burning money. Don’t get the idea of entering an additional competition which doesn’t the benefits of being organised by the FIBA |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Jun 28, 2023 17:24:57 GMT
That's not exactly the point I was making. I want the BBL to be represented in Europe but I want it to be the right teams at the right time. I want on court performance to be a key driving factor, not some distant afterthought. I want a system, like in other sports, where teams properly qualify for the various competitions based on their past season's domestic performance. It should not be possible for a team that has absolutely sucked wind two years running in a league the level of the BBL to just arbitrarily decide one year that they'd like a few more home games and want to give Europe a go. The more I think about all this, the more absurd it seems.
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Post by D44 on Jun 28, 2023 18:10:45 GMT
That's not exactly the point I was making. I want the BBL to be represented in Europe but I want it to be the right teams at the right time. I want on court performance to be a key driving factor, not some distant afterthought. I want a system, like in other sports, where teams properly qualify for the various competitions based on their past season's domestic performance. It should not be possible for a team that has absolutely sucked wind two years running in a league the level of the BBL to just arbitrarily decide one year that they'd like a few more home games and want to give Europe a go. The more I think about all this, the more absurd it seems. Perhaps you should look at your own clubs crowds and lack of ambition before attempting to change the entire landscape of European basketball 😂 |
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Post by dexter on Jun 28, 2023 18:19:13 GMT
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Post by spacejammer on Jun 28, 2023 18:30:04 GMT
That's not exactly the point I was making. I want the BBL to be represented in Europe but I want it to be the right teams at the right time. I want on court performance to be a key driving factor, not some distant afterthought. I want a system, like in other sports, where teams properly qualify for the various competitions based on their past season's domestic performance. It should not be possible for a team that has absolutely sucked wind two years running in a league the level of the BBL to just arbitrarily decide one year that they'd like a few more home games and want to give Europe a go. The more I think about all this, the more absurd it seems. To be honest I do sort of agree with you on that and think that realistically a team going in Europe should be atleast top 5 in the BBL from the previous season if you ask me. Although if we were to go on that principal then the only team that would be excluded right now would be the Eagles. However at the same time the problem the BBL and teams have had in the past is finances when it comes to the offer of Europe. And now with the introduction of the Champions League and ENBL their is now an opportunity again for teams from not so wealthy domestic leagues the chance to gain some European experience that is also more affordable and not as restrictive for clubs. |
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Post by eagles18000 on Jun 28, 2023 20:11:41 GMT
"BBL should focus on getting full arenas"
eagles are getting full arenas : have to figure that played a significant part in the decision to play ENBL. Maybe its not flushing money down the toilet if actually playing games is making money .........
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