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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on May 14, 2023 8:35:14 GMT
Seeing we've left the topic of triple Dekker onto other discussions, the last post mentions the quality of players who've been around. Jets/Nix haven't been too bad at finding players pre/post decent leagues. Without going back to the " good old days" re ent success have included Daniel Norl (German league) and Parker-Cartwright starring in the French system.
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Post by SamH on May 15, 2023 15:06:14 GMT
When do we think the BBL was at its peak then? Late 90s when certain teams (Giants, London) were getting 5 figure crowds and there was a sky sports TV deal in place? Whether it was then or another period, the question is what was the league doing then that it's not doing now, in terms of attracting big crowds and sponsors? And was the quality of player/team (Lions notwithstanding) better than now?
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Post by eagles18000 on May 15, 2023 15:11:53 GMT
which london team was getting 5 figure crowds then?
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Post by eagles18000 on May 15, 2023 15:15:12 GMT
and which g league stars are currently in the bbl? Indeed which nba 10 day contract players are currently in the bbl?
Is tallerman on the weed or something?
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Post by SamH on May 15, 2023 15:15:28 GMT
Was there not a record crowd of over 13,000 at a Leopards home game against Towers? I don't know if they regularly got 5 figures though. Or I might be thinking of Giants...either way there were some big crowds back then at some venues. Was it BBL peak though?
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Post by tallerman on May 15, 2023 19:39:46 GMT
and which g league stars are currently in the bbl? Indeed which nba 10 day contract players are currently in the bbl? Is tallerman on the weed or something? Dekker and Koufas current former nba Players that have left the league and joined the nba are players like Jayson Paige. I dont do drugs and don't find the comment that i do funny |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on May 15, 2023 21:56:35 GMT
Dekker and Koufos played FOR London this season tallerman, not against. Shall we just accept that you were talking rubbish, acknowledge that Lions have the deck stacked in their favour now like no club in living memory and move on?
Paige did sign a 10 day NBA contract. That is true. But it was under unique circumstances. Think you've got to put an asterisk against that.
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Post by eagles18000 on May 15, 2023 22:08:21 GMT
Paige was in the BBL in 2017-18. Is that all you have?
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Post by erj14 on May 15, 2023 23:13:30 GMT
London have several times the budget advantage over any team that's gone before in the BBL. Absolutely ludicrous to suggest otherwise. What they are doing at the moment can't be compared with anything we've ever seen in the league, thr difference is huge.
Imagine how many kids we could have playing basketball in this country if that sort of money was being spent at grassroots level. Instead, the guys at 777 can boast of their (financially doped) treble win. I really hope what they're doing works, otherwise this is a massive wasted opportunity for the growth of our sport.
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Post by dandayr on May 15, 2023 23:28:29 GMT
what is the defintion of at its peak - we will all have a different view of what the past peak was and will not agree. The question for the future is what is the end game target on the court and off the court.
anyway - this to me was during the peak:
crowds and venue that would surpass some current in the top league
coverage on the bbc
might not have been flooded with ex or future NBA and other top league players - but to coin a phrase recently used 'know our name', people knew the names of players as they hung about longer than 7months (and great to see in BBL we are having players stay 2 or more seasons more again and not just have a group of long stays and one and dones). Teams were competitive and you did not decide to give a game a miss cause team X had no names you knew and were going to be basement fodder. You found the pennies to get to as many games as you could cause there was a name in the visitors you had heard about in the reports and the top to bottom gap was not so wide to lose interest in certain games.
one persons view - not looking for agreement on disagreement cause at end of day 'the peak' is subjective and th present and future are what count
BUT
hope you do take the time to watch this game and soak in the atmosphere
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Post by erj14 on May 16, 2023 9:29:58 GMT
what is the defintion of at its peak - we will all have a different view of what the past peak was and will not agree. The question for the future is what is the end game target on the court and off the court. anyway - this to me was during the peak: crowds and venue that would surpass some current in the top league coverage on the bbc might not have been flooded with ex or future NBA and other top league players - but to coin a phrase recently used 'know our name', people knew the names of players as they hung about longer than 7months (and great to see in BBL we are having players stay 2 or more seasons more again and not just have a group of long stays and one and dones). Teams were competitive and you did not decide to give a game a miss cause team X had no names you knew and were going to be basement fodder. You found the pennies to get to as many games as you could cause there was a name in the visitors you had heard about in the reports and the top to bottom gap was not so wide to lose interest in certain games. one persons view - not looking for agreement on disagreement cause at end of day 'the peak' is subjective and th present and future are what count BUT hope you do take the time to watch this game and soak in the atmosphere That's an awesome watch, thanks for sharing. I do think there is a bit of a rose tinted view of the 90s BBL, and some people don't seem to like to acknowledge that it was all a bit fake. It was built on sand, with free tickets and big spending. It was always going to fail, or falter. I think we might look back at the last 4-5 years as some really good years in relation to how healthy the league is. We aren't always very good at appreciating what we have in the moment. |
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Post by gardielo on May 16, 2023 18:12:30 GMT
With respect I think you have rose tinted glasses about the league today. 10 teams two of which are bankrupt and one team that's absolutely built on sand and can never be self sufficient with the cash thrown about. In the 90s the league was sponsored by Budweiser the cup by Sainsbury's and the Trophy by Nat West. And clubs like Towers and Leopards, Giants had money behind them. But the owners lost interest when the game didn't grow. Which can easily happen again. If the 777 plan works then yes it will be better. But right now it's a big IF. I really hope it works but a league that is not competitive doesn't work for me.
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Post by eagles18000 on May 17, 2023 19:29:52 GMT
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If London are the team you are referring to as being built on sand then there was 6 similar teams in the 90s (minimum)
(Manchester, Sheffield - chrysalis went bust, Newcastle (sporting club lost hundreds of thousands), Leopards, Towers, Bears
Throw in TV and Derby who didnt last much past the turn of the century.
And the sponsors that were referred to didnt prevent the whole thing being massively loss making (one assumes the figures weren't substantial)
1 financially vulnerable team seems a lot healthier than 6-8 to me.
manchester/plymouth aren't bankrupt they just dont have owners, there's a bit of difference.
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Post by erj14 on May 17, 2023 19:51:27 GMT
With respect I think you have rose tinted glasses about the league today. 10 teams two of which are bankrupt and one team that's absolutely built on sand and can never be self sufficient with the cash thrown about. In the 90s the league was sponsored by Budweiser the cup by Sainsbury's and the Trophy by Nat West. And clubs like Towers and Leopards, Giants had money behind them. But the owners lost interest when the game didn't grow. Which can easily happen again. If the 777 plan works then yes it will be better. But right now it's a big IF. I really hope it works but a league that is not competitive doesn't work for me. The game didn't grow because handing out free tickets wasn't a viable way of running a business. I'd much rather have what we have now (London excluded) where teams are owning or on their way to owning their own buildings, providing stable revenue streams. |
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on May 17, 2023 22:53:44 GMT
I saw an article from the Daily Fail mentioning £600m |
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Post by dexter on May 18, 2023 6:46:42 GMT
I saw an article from the Daily Fail mentioning £600m Yes and it seems like the sale will happen if Everton can avoid relegation. |
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Post by milehigh on May 18, 2023 11:41:09 GMT
Just read that 777 are also interested in promoting a F1 Grand Prix in South Africa, the costs of that will make their BBL investment look small change.
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Post by LTfan on May 18, 2023 14:22:08 GMT
Just read that 777 are also interested in promoting a F1 Grand Prix in South Africa, the costs of that will make their BBL investment look small change. Much like they were (are?) interested in promoting a F1 street circuit Grand Prix in London recently (not to be confused with Formula E, which already has a London street circuit ePrix). www.sportbusiness.com/news/777-partners-behind-new-london-grand-prix-project/ |
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Post by SamH on May 18, 2023 17:34:05 GMT
If they can make decent returns on these other events then it can only be good - the more money they make, the more they can pump into the BBL.
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Post by milehigh on May 18, 2023 20:51:09 GMT
The BBL investment is, almost certainly, done as a tax loss to be offset against profits from other investments to reduce the overall tax liability of the group. do not be fooled into thinking that 777 have anything but financial gains as their motivation.
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