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Post by LTfan on May 11, 2023 14:35:40 GMT
I think the assumption from 777 is that building a team strong enough to compete in European competition will push the sport into a British conscious. I am not convinced. It’s very the 100 to the rest of County Cricket. You get people hooked via TV for example, Lions look capable of EuroLeague all of sudden but then they want to sample it live and the drop-off to a local event is huge. These tactics work when it’s international level in the UK rather than within domestic competition because British sport is so regionally tribal. There is no commercial path to success by competing in Europe. Ask Barca and Real Madrid who have lost €250-300M between them the last 4 years. Also, there are not many Brits good enough to compete at that level to convince the British public that there is a reasonable shot of winning any real silverware. It’s a fools errand and once 777 racks up enough losses, they will chuck it in! Why isn’t BBL on BBC? Or any real TV outlet? Buried behind the paywall on Sky and BT will not build audiences. If the BBC really pushed, they can help BBL tremendously. Crickets!This is chicken and egg. It's not on the BBC because they can't justify paying and/or giving airtime to something that will only achieve small audience numbers. And it'll only achieve small audience numbers because it's not getting airtime on the BBC (or another major broadcaster). The Sky deal isn't perfect, but it's the best TV deal the league has had for many years, especially as all games are also streamed for free on the Sky Sports YouTube channel. Remember it was only a few years ago you could only watch games on Facebook pages or little known (unreliable and amateurish) LiveBasketball.TV Being completely unbiased and honest, the current Sky deal feels justifiable for where the BBL is at right now. I don't think it's in a position to expect better, neither do I think it would be fair to be offered less. |
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Post by D44 on May 11, 2023 14:39:25 GMT
I think the assumption from 777 is that building a team strong enough to compete in European competition will push the sport into a British conscious. I am not convinced. It’s very the 100 to the rest of County Cricket. You get people hooked via TV for example, Lions look capable of EuroLeague all of sudden but then they want to sample it live and the drop-off to a local event is huge. These tactics work when it’s international level in the UK rather than within domestic competition because British sport is so regionally tribal. There is no commercial path to success by competing in Europe. Ask Barca and Real Madrid who have lost €250-300M between them the last 4 years. Also, there are not many Brits good enough to compete at that level to convince the British public that there is a reasonable shot of winning any real silverware. It’s a fools errand and once 777 racks up enough losses, they will chuck it in! Why isn’t BBL on BBC? Or any real TV outlet? Buried behind the paywall on Sky and BT will not build audiences. If the BBC really pushed, they can help BBL tremendously. Crickets! YouTube is far more popular amongst the younger crowd than terrestrial TV. The games that are on Sky are free on YouTube too. Euroleague has been bought by Middle Eastern investors and is being shown on live TV in the US for the first time next season. Professional sports team are rarely a profitable business despite the huge amount of money thrown at it, their either play things for the super rich asset owning class or owned by investnent groups who have little interest in the amount of money they throw at something as long as the value of the asset itself increases over time. If you had lots of money and wanted a safe investment you'd put it in a bank account and get 4%. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on May 11, 2023 15:11:58 GMT
There is no commercial path to success by competing in Europe. Ask Barca and Real Madrid who have lost €250-300M between them the last 4 years. Also, there are not many Brits good enough to compete at that level to convince the British public that there is a reasonable shot of winning any real silverware. It’s a fools errand and once 777 racks up enough losses, they will chuck it in! Why isn’t BBL on BBC? Or any real TV outlet? Buried behind the paywall on Sky and BT will not build audiences. If the BBC really pushed, they can help BBL tremendously. Crickets! YouTube is far more popular amongst the younger crowd than terrestrial TV. The games that are on Sky are free on YouTube too. Euroleague has been bought by Middle Eastern investors and is being shown on live TV in the US for the first time next season. Professional sports team are rarely a profitable business despite the huge amount of money thrown at it, their either play things for the super rich asset owning class or owned by investnent groups who have little interest in the amount of money they throw at something as long as the value of the asset itself increases over time. If you had lots of money and wanted a safe investment you'd put it in a bank account and get 4%. Seems you’re a bit misinformed mate. No one has bought the Euroleague, let alone anyone from ME. It’s not the first time Euroleague has been on ESPN in the US. And the fact that they just did a streaming deal during the absolute busiest basketball, American football and hockey season means nothing. They will not get any real audience. And sports teams as an asset class at least in the US has outperformed the stockmarket. Facts matter. |
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Post by tallerman on May 11, 2023 17:13:14 GMT
Jesus christ that was a tough read by a load of jealous fans.
Dekker signing a 3 year deal is huge, he's just turned 29 and in his prime. He was a washout in America, he just not in top 450 players worldwide.
With the salary cap in place the disparity between teams was the same, Leicester just arent at the top anymore thats all.
777 own lions and the league, theyre allowed to support the lions.
They scrapped a competition because 4 teams are entering Europe, it was done to support the other 3 not lions
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Post by blueskies99 on May 11, 2023 17:40:16 GMT
Jesus christ that was a tough read by a load of jealous fans. Dekker signing a 3 year deal is huge, he's just turned 29 and in his prime. He was a washout in America, he just not in top 450 players worldwide. With the salary cap in place the disparity between teams was the same, Leicester just arent at the top anymore thats all. 777 own lions and the league, theyre allowed to support the lions. They scrapped a competition because 4 teams are entering Europe, it was done to support the other 3 not lions Glasgow….. Bristol….and ? |
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Post by foxtrot27 on May 11, 2023 17:45:26 GMT
Jesus christ that was a tough read by a load of jealous fans. Dekker signing a 3 year deal is huge, he's just turned 29 and in his prime. He was a washout in America, he just not in top 450 players worldwide. With the salary cap in place the disparity between teams was the same, Leicester just arent at the top anymore thats all. 777 own lions and the league, theyre allowed to support the lions. They scrapped a competition because 4 teams are entering Europe, it was done to support the other 3 not lions It’s a massive conflict of interest of own that large a stake in the league AND the team in the most important market. This is why no one real (sponsors, outside investors etc) are taking this seriously. It would be better if 777 just bought out the rest of the clubs as well. CONFLICT OF INTEREST, not to mention that the founder of 777 is a convicted felon and cocaine dealer. 🙄 |
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Post by tallerman on May 11, 2023 18:21:22 GMT
And the founder of disney was a massive nazi, whats that got to do with British basketball?
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Post by tallerman on May 11, 2023 18:21:34 GMT
Jesus christ that was a tough read by a load of jealous fans. Dekker signing a 3 year deal is huge, he's just turned 29 and in his prime. He was a washout in America, he just not in top 450 players worldwide. With the salary cap in place the disparity between teams was the same, Leicester just arent at the top anymore thats all. 777 own lions and the league, theyre allowed to support the lions. They scrapped a competition because 4 teams are entering Europe, it was done to support the other 3 not lions Glasgow….. Bristol….and ?Yourselves i read |
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Post by LTfan on May 11, 2023 18:56:30 GMT
Glasgow….. Bristol….and ?Yourselves i read Leicester are unconfirmed… but don’t bet against it happening. |
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Post by eagles18000 on May 11, 2023 20:21:18 GMT
the suggestion that the disparity between Leicester and the rest (previously) and London and the rest now is the same is utterly nuts.
Londons playing budget this year is sensibly estimated at £6m. No other team will touch £500k
Bit different to £300k vs £200k
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Post by cosbyrider on May 11, 2023 21:29:01 GMT
I think the assumption from 777 is that building a team strong enough to compete in European competition will push the sport into a British conscious. I am not convinced. It’s very the 100 to the rest of County Cricket. You get people hooked via TV for example, Lions look capable of EuroLeague all of sudden but then they want to sample it live and the drop-off to a local event is huge. These tactics work when it’s international level in the UK rather than within domestic competition because British sport is so regionally tribal. There is no commercial path to success by competing in Europe. Ask Barca and Real Madrid who have lost €250-300M between them the last 4 years. Also, there are not many Brits good enough to compete at that level to convince the British public that there is a reasonable shot of winning any real silverware. It’s a fools errand and once 777 racks up enough losses, they will chuck it in! Why isn’t BBL on BBC? Or any real TV outlet? Buried behind the paywall on Sky and BT will not build audiences. If the BBC really pushed, they can help BBL tremendously. Crickets! Exactly in reference to your overall point. European basketball barely registers with the British public too and there’s no recognition of the levels. Lions might have been better to actively go out to win the BCL rather than try to compete in the second tier. They’d probably be better getting a NBA team over for pre season matches to awaken awareness. However I’d argue slightly with the BBC thing - BBL currently show every single game on a free to air platform that I can watch on Tv, YouTube. I’m not sure the BBL can get a prime time slot on a major broadcaster - maybe a Sunday afternoon. |
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Post by SamH on May 11, 2023 23:08:07 GMT
I don't have sky sports but I do get sky sports arena free so I guess lots of others do too. BBL games are often on there live or repeated.
The fact NBA is on bbc1 live a bit now is also massive although I wish they'd do a magazine type show that could go on bbc2 or 4 at a sensible time. That's what C4 did a generation ago and it got so many of us into the sport, with interest in local teams soon following.
Itv2 used to air live games I seem to recall, with 1 or 2 even airing on itv1. Did that help grow the league? Nope.
Great to see a lively debate on here anyway! 👍🤝😀
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Post by tallerman on May 12, 2023 6:06:16 GMT
the suggestion that the disparity between Leicester and the rest (previously) and London and the rest now is the same is utterly nuts. Londons playing budget this year is sensibly estimated at £6m. No other team will touch £500k Bit different to £300k vs £200k Look at percentages A few years ago manchesters budget was less than 50k total, leicesters was the full cap plus houses, cars and and a bunch of other extras. This year leicester paid closer to a million than you think (thats from someone working for Leicester) . Not saying anyone is paying london close but the percentage difference isnt huge. |
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Post by gardielo on May 12, 2023 7:57:48 GMT
Percentages: depends on the team. I know for a fact one teams player budget was under £100k. As a percentage of London it tiny. They pay one player more than the entire team budget.
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Post by spacejammer on May 12, 2023 8:06:18 GMT
There is no commercial path to success by competing in Europe. Ask Barca and Real Madrid who have lost €250-300M between them the last 4 years. Also, there are not many Brits good enough to compete at that level to convince the British public that there is a reasonable shot of winning any real silverware. It’s a fools errand and once 777 racks up enough losses, they will chuck it in! Why isn’t BBL on BBC? Or any real TV outlet? Buried behind the paywall on Sky and BT will not build audiences. If the BBC really pushed, they can help BBL tremendously. Crickets! Exactly in reference to your overall point. European basketball barely registers with the British public too and there’s no recognition of the levels. Lions might have been better to actively go out to win the BCL rather than try to compete in the second tier. They’d probably be better getting a NBA team over for pre season matches to awaken awareness. However I’d argue slightly with the BBC thing - BBL currently show every single game on a free to air platform that I can watch on Tv, YouTube. I’m not sure the BBL can get a prime time slot on a major broadcaster - maybe a Sunday afternoon. I think the YouTube coverage is great most of the time and I tend to use it to watch all my teams away games. And its probably a great way to get tbe sport out there. Although I'm surprised they don't shout about it more on Sky Sports though. In terms of coverage as well I think the men's game is doing well and I like the new BBL Show even though there are less shows now. As I think it would be a good way to give both current and new fans an insight into teams. The only thing I think more coverage could be used for is to get 1 weekly more WBBL game. I know they get the finals games on tv but I think it's hard for teams that don't make it to finals to gain notoriety if their isn't a weekly game on TV. When I listened to the BBL Show annaul International women's day podcast I did enjoy it and understood what they were saying Although when they were making comparisons to the men's game. I did think that it was worth pointing out that the men's team isn't exactly spoilt with riches and still trying to grow as well. But I do think more games would be good for both the BBL and WBBL. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on May 12, 2023 8:57:58 GMT
the suggestion that the disparity between Leicester and the rest (previously) and London and the rest now is the same is utterly nuts. Londons playing budget this year is sensibly estimated at £6m. No other team will touch £500k Bit different to £300k vs £200k Unless other corporates or multi-millionaires decide to back BBL clubs then London are going to dominate as long as 777 choose to back Lions. For me the big question is whether the BBL will grow its fanbase. Watching one team sweep away all others every season sounds as if it will only make Lions supporters happy - and even they may get bored with little real opposition. Also, will sponsors of other teams decide it's pointless to continue handing over cash if it's such an uneven playing field? Would Glasgow have won their silverware if Lions hadn't in effect decided to put out a massively weakened team earlier in the competition? |
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Post by sporty7 on May 12, 2023 10:21:46 GMT
If 777 are the only big investors medium/ long term then they might realise that this is not going to work. Hopefully we never reach that position.
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Post by massiveridersfan on May 12, 2023 10:38:25 GMT
Dekker named as Molten Player of the season.
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Post by erj14 on May 12, 2023 11:15:40 GMT
If 777 are the only big investors medium/ long term then they might realise that this is not going to work. Hopefully we never reach that position. I really hope that's not their plan. Surely it should be about creating sustainable clubs who spend what they earn. I understand that in sports, some clubs will have wealthy benefactors who are happy to post losses. But that can't be the expectation for every team. I mostly like what 777 have done so far, so I'm more than happy to see how this pans out. I suppose worst case scenario is we end up back where we pretty much are now, should 777 think they've had enough. |
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Post by cosbyrider on May 12, 2023 11:20:47 GMT
Exactly in reference to your overall point. European basketball barely registers with the British public too and there’s no recognition of the levels. Lions might have been better to actively go out to win the BCL rather than try to compete in the second tier. They’d probably be better getting a NBA team over for pre season matches to awaken awareness. However I’d argue slightly with the BBC thing - BBL currently show every single game on a free to air platform that I can watch on Tv, YouTube. I’m not sure the BBL can get a prime time slot on a major broadcaster - maybe a Sunday afternoon. I think the YouTube coverage is great most of the time and I tend to use it to watch all my teams away games. And its probably a great way to get tbe sport out there. Although I'm surprised they don't shout about it more on Sky Sports though. In terms of coverage as well I think the men's game is doing well and I like the new BBL Show even though there are less shows now. As I think it would be a good way to give both current and new fans an insight into teams. The only thing I think more coverage could be used for is to get 1 weekly more WBBL game. I know they get the finals games on tv but I think it's hard for teams that don't make it to finals to gain notoriety if their isn't a weekly game on TV. When I listened to the BBL Show annaul International women's day podcast I did enjoy it and understood what they were saying Although when they were making comparisons to the men's game. I did think that it was worth pointing out that the men's team isn't exactly spoilt with riches and still trying to grow as well. But I do think more games would be good for both the BBL and WBBL. We are way behind on the Women’s game. Particularly when consider Team GB are competitive at international level. Simply not enough song and dance about it. Clubs on the whole could do a lot more |
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