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Post by baldeagle on Aug 8, 2022 8:14:11 GMT
Reckon the player budget for the remaining 9 BBL teams can’t be much more than £3m, unless Vince is really splashing the cash? (On which note, things seem to have gone quiet?)
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Post by tallerman on Aug 8, 2022 9:26:39 GMT
What makes you think the coach is being given such a low wage?
They did say theyre only signing 12 players and i imagine theyll use the ba lions as their extra players but i just cant see how its going to work.
60 games for 12 players that don't have the conditioning is a big ask. Look at any nba rookie and they slump around the all star break where their bodies and minds just arent used to that many games. There will be inhuries galore!
What is nice about all of this is having no bbl team to follow so i can freely support lions and Leicester in europe
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Aug 8, 2022 15:55:23 GMT
Two years ago Lions put together an initial squad of 15/16 (including six overseas players) for the BCL/Europe Cup campaign that never was. Until they got knocked out of Europe, they were rostering 14/15 players last season, including seven overseas. Now they're going to play in a more challenging competition with four overseas players (only one of which is an out and out American), less than the minimum required number of senior players and a 12 man rotation that includes:
Josh Ward-Hibbert - Has been basically irrelevant since leaving Riders.
Bradley Kaboza - 21 years old and spent the majority of last season in NBL1.
Kareem Queeley - Good prospect or not he's young enough to still be in college and his only meaningful senior experience has come in the Spanish 4th tier.
With one or two reserve players lobbed in to make up the numbers?
This cannot be true surely? If it is I'm suddenly feeling a little underwhelmed. Outside of Nelson and potentially Philip, there's a serious lack of experience and/or pedigree at the guard spots. I was assuming they still had quite a lot left to announce.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 17:03:05 GMT
Two years ago Lions put together an initial squad of 15/16 (including six overseas players) for the BCL/Europe Cup campaign that never was. Until they got knocked out of Europe, they were rostering 14/15 players last season, including seven overseas. Now they're going to play in a more challenging competition with four overseas players (only one of which is an out and out American), less than the minimum required number of senior players and a 12 man rotation that includes: Josh Ward-Hibbert - Has been basically irrelevant since leaving Riders. Bradley Kaboza - 21 years old and spent the majority of last season in NBL1. Kareem Queeley - Good prospect or not he's young enough to still be in college and his only meaningful senior experience has come in the Spanish 4th tier. With one or two reserve players lobbed in to make up the numbers? This cannot be true surely? If it is I'm suddenly feeling a little underwhelmed. Outside of Nelson and potentially Philip, there's a serious lack of experience and/or pedigree at the guard spots. I was assuming they still had quite a lot left to announce. I think having a smaller squad that plays a lot more regularly is a much better choice than having 15 guys and Always having a third of the team not playing, I also did say in the other thread I agree I would like at least one more experienced guard But I feel your post is a massive overreaction, even if they don’t bring in any more guards or any more players altogether it’s still an incredibly strong squad that should be capable of competing at the level they are in |
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Post by vefriga on Aug 8, 2022 18:22:04 GMT
If the Lions budget is £2.5m then how will they satisfy the new Eurocup financial rules?:
– Minimum team budget of €2 for the 2021-22 season and €2.5 from 2022-23 season onwards.
– Prohibition of overdue payables.
– Player salary expenses limited to 65% of total expenses.
– Shareholders contributions limited to 65% of total expenses.
– Aggregate financial deficit limited to 10% of club average budget in a three-year period.
Unless they get some random sponsorship interest from the Cayman Island and such players, it doesn't seem possible? Also as a guide.
2019-20 Eurocup the lowest salary budget was $5m and Champions League was $4.4m. So London are spending but in comparison hey will still be a small team in the league and they better hope it pays off!
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Post by D44 on Aug 8, 2022 23:24:38 GMT
There's still 4 players to TBA looking at the roster page on their website
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Post by irf on Aug 9, 2022 5:32:23 GMT
If the Lions budget is £2.5m then how will they satisfy the new Eurocup financial rules?: – Minimum team budget of €2 for the 2021-22 season and €2.5 from 2022-23 season onwards. – Prohibition of overdue payables. – Player salary expenses limited to 65% of total expenses. – Shareholders contributions limited to 65% of total expenses. – Aggregate financial deficit limited to 10% of club average budget in a three-year period. Unless they get some random sponsorship interest from the Cayman Island and such players, it doesn't seem possible? Also as a guide. 2019-20 Eurocup the lowest salary budget was $5m and Champions League was $4.4m. So London are spending but in comparison hey will still be a small team in the league and they better hope it pays off! When you say they better hope it pays off Why is that? The only losers here at Lions could be the owners? The fans aren't going to be complaining about anything They won't have any media spotlight etc on them. Same as always What can actually go wrong apart from owners losing money and Lions not winning as many games as the owners hoped The fans can't really complain about anything. They aren't paying the wages? |
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Post by tallerman on Aug 9, 2022 7:38:41 GMT
No mate, their failure affects the whole league. The owners of the league own the team
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Post by irf on Aug 9, 2022 11:43:21 GMT
No mate, their failure affects the whole league. The owners of the league own the team What do you mean by failure though Failure to win enough games in Europe or enough BBL trophies Is pretty meaningless If you mean they run out of money and/or get bored with UK basketball and walk away But that's different to questioning the quality of signings they've made to compete this season? What do we think they actually hope to achieve this season to be considered a success? Can't be budgeting to make a profit? |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Aug 9, 2022 12:10:12 GMT
I think having a smaller squad that plays a lot more regularly is a much better choice than having 15 guys and Always having a third of the team not playing, I also did say in the other thread I agree I would like at least one more experienced guard But I feel your post is a massive overreaction, even if they don’t bring in any more guards or any more players altogether it’s still an incredibly strong squad that should be capable of competing at the level they are in I'm hardly saying the team sucks. They've signed some quality players, obviously. Who didn't see that coming? But if Phillip and Zubcic are the final two pieces I don't think the balance is very good and the overall lack of depth genuinely surprises me. Strong at the 4/5 spots but 1-3 I think they look seriously light. Perhaps a little lacking creativity too. Soluade is potentially going to be the only senior backup guard and he's primarily a shooter, no? I think Lions probably have overdone it a bit numbers-wise in the past. Particularly the first year 777 were involved. This season they've got a guaranteed 18 game European schedule to navigate, alongside their BBL commitments, and they'll be playing tough-ish midweek games near enough all season long. I think there is a genuine need for a pretty big squad this time around. If we were talking about 12 proper senior players that'd probably do it. But like I said, there are surely two or three included in that 12 that you can't confidently expect a significant contribution from in EuroCup. In the 'Salary Cap' episode of the BBL Show that someone mentioned on here recently Dave Forrester was questioning whether Lions would be able to rotate their Americans this year. Turns out they might not even be signing the maximum number of imports the league permits. There's still 4 players to TBA looking at the roster page on their website A squad of 14 would sound much more like it to me but they have suggested on Twitter that 12's the number. If I was a Lions fan I'd be wanting another senior PG and a wing. Doesn't matter as such where they're from but America would seem like the obvious place to look. |
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Post by vefriga on Aug 9, 2022 14:53:53 GMT
If the Lions budget is £2.5m then how will they satisfy the new Eurocup financial rules?: – Minimum team budget of €2 for the 2021-22 season and €2.5 from 2022-23 season onwards. – Prohibition of overdue payables. – Player salary expenses limited to 65% of total expenses. – Shareholders contributions limited to 65% of total expenses. – Aggregate financial deficit limited to 10% of club average budget in a three-year period. Unless they get some random sponsorship interest from the Cayman Island and such players, it doesn't seem possible? Also as a guide. 2019-20 Eurocup the lowest salary budget was $5m and Champions League was $4.4m. So London are spending but in comparison hey will still be a small team in the league and they better hope it pays off! When you say they better hope it pays off Why is that? The only losers here at Lions could be the owners? The fans aren't going to be complaining about anything They won't have any media spotlight etc on them. Same as always What can actually go wrong apart from owners losing money and Lions not winning as many games as the owners hoped The fans can't really complain about anything. They aren't paying the wages? As mentioned the owners have a huge stake in the league, if the Lions really tank in Europe after this 'show of force' or whatever they are doing signing NBA level players, it will obviously bring some bad basketball press (sure nobody will care as usual). Ultimately, what the Lions are doing is a danger to all the league. BBL had a cap for a reason, it's not a league that can attract top talent, it's a lesser league in Europe, it seemed to know its place and was happily growing slowly. Now the lid has been blown off and look what happens. No matter what, other teams will be looking at them and thinking, hmm if we don't do something we don't stand a chance, so they have to spend probably beyond their reason to keep up so it's an obvious knock on effect. Yes, if Lions owners get bored, fold the team and sell their stake in the league, then it doesn't really matter. But if they spend £3m this year, the same or more next, then the next, the other teams will only be able to overspend for so long before they get in trouble. Yes its all speculative and worst case but just 20/30 years ago look what happened to Basketball and Ice Hockey Superleague. |
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Post by gardielo on Aug 9, 2022 15:21:11 GMT
And the levels of spend were nothing like this level. I truly hope other owners don't get drawn into chasing an unfeasible target of spend.
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Post by D44 on Aug 9, 2022 15:29:47 GMT
Tarik confirmed. Both of GBs best guards on the same team along with Ovie. Exciting to have 3 of GBs strongest starting 5 together on one team, along with a number of exciting young British players.
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Post by dandayr on Aug 9, 2022 16:37:36 GMT
well they didnt need to wait very long for an experienced PG - or go to usa for them. any spare wings in the GB squad not announced to a club yet? this is looking like last seasons WBBL Lions - GB stacked and league dominating |
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Post by tallerman on Aug 9, 2022 16:43:23 GMT
Vef has answered so theres no point in repeating.
If they wanted to grow i think the cap shouldve been raised so they could compete at europe cup not skip a wole level
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Post by isthaturinal on Aug 9, 2022 17:53:37 GMT
Lions have now announced player 11
Tarik Phillip
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Post by D44 on Aug 9, 2022 20:39:25 GMT
well they didnt need to wait very long for an experienced PG - or go to usa for them. any spare wings in the GB squad not announced to a club yet? this is looking like last seasons WBBL Lions - GB stacked and league dominating Has Myles Hesson definitely re-signed in Japan 😬 |
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Post by mansfieldmike on Aug 9, 2022 23:13:07 GMT
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Aug 10, 2022 0:22:46 GMT
well they didnt need to wait very long for an experienced PG - or go to usa for them. any spare wings in the GB squad not announced to a club yet? this is looking like last seasons WBBL Lions - GB stacked and league dominating The signing of Phillip (and Zubcic) was presumed. I said I'd be wanting to see a guard and a wing added in addition to those players. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 10, 2022 7:17:12 GMT
Ive just been given details of Tariks contract.
If Lions are still around in 5 years spending like this then I'm a monkeys uncle. Id actually be surprised if it lasts another season truth be told.
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