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[spacejammer]

I suppose that is good news.
I hope we soon find out what sort of league we're going to get in that case.

But atleast we now know theirs going to be a British Basketball League now.

[dexter]

Jul 17, 2024 6:36:57 GMT spacejammer said:

I suppose that is good news.
I hope we soon find out what sort of league we're going to get in that case.

But atleast we now know theirs going to be a British Basketball League now.

A Basketball Premier League.

[donthatetheplayer]

Good news. First take on it is that with Sheffield and Eagles appearing to have taken the Directorship and Shareholding respectively for the new Ltd company, does that allude that the recently departed BBL Directors are mired in potential difficulty about a phoenix league so have to keep at arms length for legal reasons? Messr's Timoney/Routledge/Matischen/Knights aren't yet listed. Does Andy Webb jump across too? Still company sec for the BBL Ltd. Should be some interesting developments in the days ahead.

[irf]

Jul 17, 2024 9:00:59 GMT donthatetheplayer said:

Good news. First take on it is that with Sheffield and Eagles appearing to have taken the Directorship and Shareholding respectively for the new Ltd company, does that allude that the recently departed BBL Directors are mired in potential difficulty about a phoenix league so have to keep at arms length for legal reasons? Messr's Timoney/Routledge/Matischen/Knights aren't yet listed. Does Andy Webb jump across too? Still company sec for the BBL Ltd. Should be some interesting developments in the days ahead.

Is there any reason all the clubs have to have directors involved?

[dexter]

I like the name btw. Evangelos Marinakis sees this and thinks "I want Nottingham Forest to be in the Basketball Premier League".

[irf]

Jul 17, 2024 9:42:01 GMT dexter said:

I like the name btw. Evangelos Marinakis sees this and thinks "I want Nottingham Forest to be in the Basketball Premier League".

I do expect this to happen next year

He's busy buying the City Ground from Nottingham council at the moment.

[donthatetheplayer]

Jul 17, 2024 9:33:50 GMT irf said:

Jul 17, 2024 9:00:59 GMT donthatetheplayer said:

Good news. First take on it is that with Sheffield and Eagles appearing to have taken the Directorship and Shareholding respectively for the new Ltd company, does that allude that the recently departed BBL Directors are mired in potential difficulty about a phoenix league so have to keep at arms length for legal reasons? Messr's Timoney/Routledge/Matischen/Knights aren't yet listed. Does Andy Webb jump across too? Still company sec for the BBL Ltd. Should be some interesting developments in the days ahead.

Is there any reason all the clubs have to have directors involved?

No it was simply an observation that two people who are currently setting it up on paper were not involved in the BBL Ltd Company in any formal capacity, certainly in recent years. Assuming there's been plenty of legal advice over it all so would imagine all of the key players will have a formal role at some point.

[irf]

Jul 17, 2024 10:24:28 GMT donthatetheplayer said:

Jul 17, 2024 9:33:50 GMT irf said:

Is there any reason all the clubs have to have directors involved?

No it was simply an observation that two people who are currently setting it up on paper were not involved in the BBL Ltd Company in any formal capacity, certainly in recent years. Assuming there's been plenty of legal advice over it all so would imagine all of the key players will have a formal role at some point.

Yes but fresh start doesn't need them all owning shares or being directors

They can still have league rules and voting structures on decision making etc that each club could be involved in

[cosbyrider]

x.com/oviesoko/status/1813527388434690525?s=46&t=G4BjMKLJ3WGBAEQ0Obvi7w

Annoyed me that. His point may be valid but it’s not right now. Those dinosaurs have had to club together quickly to produce a professional Uk league right now.

Alongside those dinosaurs - at least two of them weren’t involved pre 777

[dexter]

Jul 17, 2024 17:58:39 GMT cosbyrider said:

x.com/oviesoko/status/1813527388434690525?s=46&t=G4BjMKLJ3WGBAEQ0Obvi7w

Annoyed me that. His point may be valid but it’s not right now. Those dinosaurs have had to club together quickly to produce a professional Uk league right now.

Alongside those dinosaurs - at least two of them weren’t involved pre 777

We will see in a couple of years time if the 777 era, when London Lions shined bright, will have given British basketball any lasting boost, or if it just set the league back a few years. Ovie is still being optimistic. Maybe these owners he's criticising are more realistic.

In this chat people have ranged from abandoning professional basketball to trying to save what can be salvaged and trying to build back to where things were before this episode. I don't think anyone here is quite where Ovie is, or am I wrong? Does anyone think 777 have done lasting good for British basketball?

[notoriousbigz]

Jul 17, 2024 21:03:40 GMT dexter said:

Jul 17, 2024 17:58:39 GMT cosbyrider said:

x.com/oviesoko/status/1813527388434690525?s=46&t=G4BjMKLJ3WGBAEQ0Obvi7w

Annoyed me that. His point may be valid but it’s not right now. Those dinosaurs have had to club together quickly to produce a professional Uk league right now.

Alongside those dinosaurs - at least two of them weren’t involved pre 777

We will see in a couple of years time if the 777 era, when London Lions shined bright, will have given British basketball any lasting boost, or if it just set the league back a few years. Ovie is still being optimistic. Maybe these owners he's criticising are more realistic.

In this chat people have ranged from abandoning professional basketball to trying to save what can be salvaged and trying to build back to where things were before this episode. I don't think anyone here is quite where Ovie is, or am I wrong? Does anyone think 777 have done lasting good for British basketball?

Name one benefit teams this up coming season have as a result of 777s involvement. If, like me, you cant - then he's making absolutely 0 sense. Dave Fs response to him echos my sentiment.

What I will say is this - the franchise based system is holding basketball back so badly in this country its untrue. There's literally no incentive to be better as a franchise.

[irf]

Not enough pro teams to have promotion and relegation

It's catch 22

[dexter]

Jul 17, 2024 21:12:05 GMT notoriousbigz said:

Jul 17, 2024 21:03:40 GMT dexter said:

We will see in a couple of years time if the 777 era, when London Lions shined bright, will have given British basketball any lasting boost, or if it just set the league back a few years. Ovie is still being optimistic. Maybe these owners he's criticising are more realistic.

In this chat people have ranged from abandoning professional basketball to trying to save what can be salvaged and trying to build back to where things were before this episode. I don't think anyone here is quite where Ovie is, or am I wrong? Does anyone think 777 have done lasting good for British basketball?

Name one benefit teams this up coming season have as a result of 777s involvement. If, like me, you cant - then he's making absolutely 0 sense. Dave Fs response to him echos my sentiment.

What I will say is this - the franchise based system is holding basketball back so badly in this country its untrue. There's literally no incentive to be better as a franchise.

Ovie has his point of view and I think I understand it, but at the moment I don't think there's any evidence of any benefit. I'm assuming Sheffield Sharks new American owner Vaughn Millette has nothing to do with BBL being broadcasted in the US. But let's say Americans saw BBL and decided to invest in teams, that would be a benefit.
I'm really just arguing his point, not agreeing with it. Even if that did happen I cannot say 777 was positive because I think what they did is criminal and morally wrong. That wasn't their money they spaffed away.

[cosbyrider]

My point is this if it wasn’t for the dinosaurs as Ovio calls them. There is no British Basketball top flight this season. Zero. Zilch. Nothing. That would have been the legacy of 777s involvement without the dinosaurs picking up the pieces

[irf]

Jul 17, 2024 21:48:42 GMT cosbyrider said:

My point is this if it wasn’t for the dinosaurs as Ovio calls them. There is no British Basketball top flight this season. Zero. Zilch. Nothing. That would have been the legacy of 777s involvement without the dinosaurs picking up the pieces

Can't argue with that

[notoriousbigz]

Jul 17, 2024 21:18:28 GMT irf said:

Not enough pro teams to have promotion and relegation

It's catch 22

Solent Kestrels weren't pro when they reached the BBL cup final.

There's NBL 1 teams who'd beat bottom end bbl teams from last season.

Teams like Surrey just exist. There's literally no will to get better there whatsoever, and there's no motivation to do so.

[SamH]

NBL is a very good alternative for those 'BBL or bust' fans out there, maybe time to give it a go!

[johnjack]

Jul 18, 2024 0:17:52 GMT SamH said:

NBL is a very good alternative for those 'BBL or bust' fans out there, maybe time to give it a go!

In which case, do we really need a BBL. What is the reason for a separate pro league?

Why not just fold everything into the NBL structure.

Are there any real differences between the leagues.

Wont that grow the NBL to a point of being much better, much more accessible than the BBL.

What value does the BBL Franchise / No-Franchise method actually add

We would have a proper structured/tiered league with more teams. Surely that has to be a bigger prospect for sponsors and investors 

[dandayr]

Jul 17, 2024 21:48:42 GMT cosbyrider said:

My point is this if it wasn’t for the dinosaurs as Ovio calls them. There is no British Basketball top flight this season. Zero. Zilch. Nothing. That would have been the legacy of 777s involvement without the dinosaurs picking up the pieces

I guess from the positivity level of the comments Ovie has made in that X thread - he has been paid ok for all the broadcast work he did for the British Basketball League and so doesn't have any personal pain from the 777 fallout.
I wonder if he goes and asks his ex-teammates at Lions, or the backroom staff at Lions if they will have such a positive outlook on the 777 impact to the league as he is having.