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Jul 20, 2024 10:35:07 GMT
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Post by spacejammer on Jul 20, 2024 10:35:07 GMT
With regards to Ovies comments I understand it and sort of 50% agree with him. But at the same time 50% disagree with him. I understand that the league or new league needs to have some ambition and some risk otherwise if you play to safe then we end up having teams forever playing in glorified sports halls. But at the same time any progress needs to be realistic progress and not unrealistic. Lets be honest 777 coming in and saying they were going to make the BBL the 2nd best domestic league to the NBA was never going to happen and certainly not any time soon either. When you look at how clubs have progressed as well like Eagles, Gladiators and Sharks going from sports hall to new arena that didn't happen overnight. It took years of hard work, planning and dedication for those teams to get where they are. When they took over London they didn't just try to run before they could walk. They literally tried to sprint before they could walk and now they have ultimately screwed up. Going back to Ovies comments I can understand why he believes the league might need a fresh direction and new ideas. And to be fair I liked the Trophy format last season and also the playoffs. What I didn't like so much was the pointless All Star game and how one sided the league was. Problem is if the risk or idea to progress the league isn't mitigated and is going to ultimately result in the league folding. Then screw the new guys I would rather keep the so called Dinosaurs he is referring who will atleast keep the league going rather then run it into oblivion. I agree with you. I'm 50/50 with Ovie but what I'm not getting from him is this. With a horribly corrupt, criminal and unstable investor like 777 Partners it was always very unlikely other investors were going to get involved. Your main investor needs to be someone who attracts further investment. When you look at most sports their is probably some involvement or story about corruption and scandal somewhere. I mean look at Fifa and all the controversy that Football clubs have been through. I agree that the recent scandal might taint the BBL but then at the same time I like to think most of the BBL apart from the head honchos are just as much victims of 777's antics. Surely similar to Fifa and football clubs whilst having a past especially recent might put some people off. I like to think their will be some that sympathise and maybe want to try and help change things. |
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Jul 20, 2024 10:36:32 GMT
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Post by dexter on Jul 20, 2024 10:36:32 GMT
What is the demographic argument? That lots of kids have parents from overseas, and some of them come from countries where basketball is popular?
Well I don't think that makes a big difference. We used to have a lot of kids with parents from Ireland but I don't see Gaelic football and hurling being very popular in Britain. What we do have is plenty of tall people, but we've always had that.
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Post by dandayr on Jul 20, 2024 16:48:35 GMT
You’re mixing up two things. I have no opinion on whether they’re dinosaurs But it is unprofessional to rush out an announcement saying that an undetermined number of clubs, some of which are struggling to remain solvent, have been granted a three-year licence to form a new league, without any proper tender process or oversight, and to make that announcement without even having a website set up, any branding arranged, or a functioning way to sell tickets. Bizarre As to the second point about victims of con men… these guys conned a lot of people sure. But the amount of red flags that were ignored by BBL people in this case suggests that they weren’t conned. They just chose to look the other way. maybe they should have added some context to the announcement, is that what you were after? I suspect what you see as a rush was driven by FIBA and other cross border comp requirements - the federation in each country has to approve the top league. The draws for the europe comps that both Gladiators sides have entered have this week been made - suspect we will find if the announcement had not been made they could have been excluded as need to be in a federation approved league. Then the comps Flyers and Eagles entered likely looking for the same. So should they have delayed a decision and announcement a couple of weeks till a website and branding was in place and cost sides their european entries - or once the BBF had made a licencing desion surely the right thing was to be open and announce that progress had been made. |
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Post by irf on Jul 23, 2024 10:01:47 GMT
New owners for Cheshire now as well (Linked to one of the players) |
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Post by teamnix on Jul 23, 2024 10:35:23 GMT
New owners for Cheshire now as well (Linked to one of the players) this is awesome news for the nix keeps us competitive with the big boys |
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Jul 23, 2024 10:51:22 GMT
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Post by dexter on Jul 23, 2024 10:51:22 GMT
New owners for Cheshire now as well (Linked to one of the players) Really great news. These are basketball people, with a team in the Australian NBL and a team in the G League. Both successful leagues. It's nice that they have confidence in British basketball. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 23, 2024 10:57:29 GMT
New owners for Cheshire now as well (Linked to one of the players) Linked = Skylers mum. Again made up moneys coming into the new league and with existing established franchises, but I'm still troubled by "controlling interest". I don't think these Americans come into this with a good enough understanding of the British basketball landscape to really get what they want out of it to keep investing. Maybe this will be different given the ties involved here and it will work out long term. Times made me a massive cynic though. |
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Jul 23, 2024 11:24:13 GMT
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Post by irf on Jul 23, 2024 11:24:13 GMT
Separately I've seen on twitter a guy complaining that he and many other Lions employees were owed thousands of pounds wages when Lions were sold to 777 by Vince
That Vince told them "the US guys owe it you now"
That they never got
And that when he complained someone from BBL said to him
"What do you expect from a Scouse Nigerian?"
I'm just the messenger here with the above but honestky nothing surprises me that I read about basketball in UK tbh
(Including that!)
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Jul 23, 2024 12:15:50 GMT
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Post by cosbyrider on Jul 23, 2024 12:15:50 GMT
New owners for Cheshire now as well (Linked to one of the players) Linked = Skylers mum. Again made up moneys coming into the new league and with existing established franchises, but I'm still troubled by "controlling interest". I don't think these Americans come into this with a good enough understanding of the British basketball landscape to really get what they want out of it to keep investing. Maybe this will be different given the ties involved here and it will work out long term. Times made me a massive cynic though. I’d place more trust in this Phoenix takeover given their other interests. Sheffield is a bit of a headscratcher |
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Jul 23, 2024 12:30:38 GMT
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jul 23, 2024 12:30:38 GMT
Linked = Skylers mum. Again made up moneys coming into the new league and with existing established franchises, but I'm still troubled by "controlling interest". I don't think these Americans come into this with a good enough understanding of the British basketball landscape to really get what they want out of it to keep investing. Maybe this will be different given the ties involved here and it will work out long term. Times made me a massive cynic though. I’d place more trust in this Phoenix takeover given their other interests. Sheffield is a bit of a headscratcher Both of these announcements are odd. More inexperienced yanks. Undisclosed amounts mean for controlling interests. Good grief, is it really that bad? The Glasgow fella should take the lead and say something about the plans. I can’t even find anything on SDS and the Sheffield yank has even less credibility. Window dressing and just moving the deck chairs on the Titanic imo. |
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Jul 23, 2024 12:35:29 GMT
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Post by irf on Jul 23, 2024 12:35:29 GMT
I’d place more trust in this Phoenix takeover given their other interests. Sheffield is a bit of a headscratcher Both of these announcements are odd. More inexperienced yanks. Undisclosed amounts mean for controlling interests. Good grief, is it really that bad? The Glasgow fella should take the lead and say something about the plans. I can’t even find anything on SDS and the Sheffield yank has even less credibility. Window dressing and just moving the deck chairs on the Titanic imo. Lol You think there are queues of people looking to invest in UK basketball teams foxtrot? Surely these are better than the dinosaurs you don't like? Who would you like to come and invest in UK basketball? Can't you message them? |
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Jul 23, 2024 12:49:01 GMT
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jul 23, 2024 12:49:01 GMT
Both of these announcements are odd. More inexperienced yanks. Undisclosed amounts mean for controlling interests. Good grief, is it really that bad? The Glasgow fella should take the lead and say something about the plans. I can’t even find anything on SDS and the Sheffield yank has even less credibility. Window dressing and just moving the deck chairs on the Titanic imo. Lol You think there are queues of people looking to invest in UK basketball teams foxtrot? Surely these are better than the dinosaurs you don't like? Who would you like to come and invest in UK basketball? Can't you message them? The dinosaurs know the market and they can’t keep taking money from people that bring nothing else to the party. One these latest version of yanks fold, then what? At some point it won’t make sense to keep the pro game alive and we will all be following NBL as that seems the more stable option. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jul 23, 2024 12:58:19 GMT
Lol You think there are queues of people looking to invest in UK basketball teams foxtrot? Surely these are better than the dinosaurs you don't like? Who would you like to come and invest in UK basketball? Can't you message them? The dinosaurs know the market and they can’t keep taking money from people that bring nothing else to the party. One these latest version of yanks fold, then what? At some point it won’t make sense to keep the pro game alive and we will all be following NBL as that seems the more stable option. It's your optimism that keeps me hopeful... |
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Jul 23, 2024 13:07:31 GMT
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Post by irf on Jul 23, 2024 13:07:31 GMT
The dinosaurs know the market and they can’t keep taking money from people that bring nothing else to the party. One these latest version of yanks fold, then what? At some point it won’t make sense to keep the pro game alive and we will all be following NBL as that seems the more stable option. It's your optimism that keeps me hopeful... Yes there is light at the end of the tunnel somewhere I'm sure ! |
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Jul 23, 2024 14:10:43 GMT
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Post by dexter on Jul 23, 2024 14:10:43 GMT
It is strange/funny/sad that Americans have more optimism about British basketball than any Brits do. It must just be a cultural difference.
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Post by irf on Jul 23, 2024 14:23:44 GMT
It is strange/funny/sad that Americans have more optimism about British basketball than any Brits do. It must just be a cultural difference. They don't understand the UK public mindset when it comes to sport |
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Post by blueskies99 on Jul 23, 2024 14:49:14 GMT
It is strange/funny/sad that Americans have more optimism about British basketball than any Brits do. It must just be a cultural difference. They don't understand the UK public mindset when it comes to sport They have more blind optimism than us Brits  |
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Jul 23, 2024 15:05:44 GMT
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Post by dexter on Jul 23, 2024 15:05:44 GMT
They don't understand the UK public mindset when it comes to sport They have more blind optimism than us Brits I honestly think it's both. They're optimistic, we're pessimistic. They assume Britain is more similar to America than it really is. They see a gap in the market for professional basketball, whereas we struggle to see how it would work because it's never worked yet. The problem with these Americans investing so far is it's not adding any new teams. There are still probably only 7 teams and that's still our biggest problem. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jul 23, 2024 15:26:41 GMT
They have more blind optimism than us Brits I honestly think it's both. They're optimistic, we're pessimistic. They assume Britain is more similar to America than it really is. They see a gap in the market for professional basketball, whereas we struggle to see how it would work because it's never worked yet. The problem with these Americans investing so far is it's not adding any new teams. There are still probably only 7 teams and that's still our biggest problem. You are spot on. The bigger problem is these yanks live in the US and sending their money over here. Normally that’s fine for billionaires , but I’d rather be a bit more hands on and closer to my money for this type of thing. What happens when the money runs out? |
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Jul 23, 2024 15:31:12 GMT
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Post by irf on Jul 23, 2024 15:31:12 GMT
I honestly think it's both. They're optimistic, we're pessimistic. They assume Britain is more similar to America than it really is. They see a gap in the market for professional basketball, whereas we struggle to see how it would work because it's never worked yet. The problem with these Americans investing so far is it's not adding any new teams. There are still probably only 7 teams and that's still our biggest problem. You are spot on. The bigger problem is these yanks live in the US and sending their money over here. Normally that’s fine for billionaires , but I’d rather be a bit more hands on and closer to my money for this type of thing. What happens when the money runs out? So you have kind of lost me now Foxtrot? Just to confirm should Sharks and Nix have taken the investment or turned it down? Or do you only make decisions two or three years after the event in your world of doing business? |
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