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Post by aseatattheendoftime2 on Jul 3, 2024 17:41:48 GMT
I've heard surrey have lost uni funding so are done, Manchester and London will be saved and pats are done. 777 are stopping any new league appearing though so will be a tough goer if it happens at all Guarentee at least 3 of those teams will be in the league next year and 2 of those will be Surrey and Manchester. 777 have no ability to stop a new league |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jul 3, 2024 17:52:22 GMT
I've heard surrey have lost uni funding so are done, Manchester and London will be saved and pats are done. 777 are stopping any new league appearing though so will be a tough goer if it happens at all Guarentee at least 3 of those teams will be in the league next year and 2 of those will be Surrey and Manchester. 777 have no ability to stop a new league They certainly don't but they could have the ability to prevent teams leaving and forming their own league as a condition of investment. They could have a non compete clause. Sad state and could mark the end. |
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Post by tallerman on Jul 3, 2024 18:29:10 GMT
I've heard surrey have lost uni funding so are done, Manchester and London will be saved and pats are done. 777 are stopping any new league appearing though so will be a tough goer if it happens at all Guarentee at least 3 of those teams will be in the league next year and 2 of those will be Surrey and Manchester. 777 have no ability to stop a new league Fancy a wager on it? I'll donate a tenner to charity in your name if 3 or more of those teams are in the new bbl, you donate a tenner if less ? |
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Post by mac on Jul 3, 2024 18:52:25 GMT
If the league cannot be sold the no compete clause would surely be null and void. It all depends on the administrator now. Bad news about Surrey if true.
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Post by dandayr on Jul 3, 2024 19:09:30 GMT
based on these recent posts, I think a few folk dont totally understand full implications of what BBF announced the other week
BBF are as the FIBA member in GB the sole person that can issue a licence to run a the top level pro league in this country - they withdrew that licence from the basketball league who ran BBL and rebranded to British Basketball League so while there is nothing stopping a person/company/investment group popping along and buying that company The basketball league, it is currently a worthless company as it is no longer the licence holder to run a pro league in this country, which was its sole purpose.
BBF are the only people that at this time can run a FIBA approved pro basketball league in this country - and either do it themselves or ask someone else to do it on a temp licence till a more permanent arrangement in place.
Only way that company that used to hold the licence will have a sellable value is if it someone persuades the BBF it is fit to run the top level FIBA approved pro league in this country.
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jul 3, 2024 19:11:56 GMT
based on these recent posts, I think a few folk dont totally understand full implications of what BBF announced the other week BBF are as the FIBA member in GB the sole person that can issue a licence to run a the top level pro league in this country - they withdrew that licence from the basketball league who ran BBL and rebranded to British Basketball League so while there is nothing stopping a person/company/investment group popping along and buying that company The basketball league, it is currently a worthless company as it is no longer the licence holder to run a pro league in this country, which was its sole purpose. BBF are the only people that at this time can run a FIBA approved pro basketball league in this country - and either do it themselves or ask someone else to do it on a temp licence till a more permanent arrangement in place. Only way that company that used to hold the licence will have a sellable value is if it someone persuades the BBF it is fit to run the top level FIBA approved pro league in this country. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jul 3, 2024 19:14:22 GMT
based on these recent posts, I think a few folk dont totally understand full implications of what BBF announced the other week BBF are as the FIBA member in GB the sole person that can issue a licence to run a the top level pro league in this country - they withdrew that licence from the basketball league who ran BBL and rebranded to British Basketball League so while there is nothing stopping a person/company/investment group popping along and buying that company The basketball league, it is currently a worthless company as it is no longer the licence holder to run a pro league in this country, which was its sole purpose. BBF are the only people that at this time can run a FIBA approved pro basketball league in this country - and either do it themselves or ask someone else to do it on a temp licence till a more permanent arrangement in place. Only way that company that used to hold the licence will have a sellable value is if it someone persuades the BBF it is fit to run the top level FIBA approved pro league in this country. You are correct. However, anyone can set up a non FIBA affiliated League. Euroleague does fine in this regard. BBF has no power over any entity that chooses not to affiliate. |
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Post by SamH on Jul 3, 2024 20:56:59 GMT
I was going to say - surely it could just be a non-FIBA approved league? If the standard is good then no one will really care about that. Back when the BBA was supposedly going to be starting up and competing with the BBL, if it had ever happened that would have meant 2 competing professional leagues in the country, and I imagine the BBA wouldn't have been FIBA approved, but it wouldn't have mattered.
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Post by dexter on Jul 3, 2024 21:19:03 GMT
We could have 2 rival leagues then. One with 6 teams and one with 3 teams.
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Post by cosbyrider on Jul 3, 2024 21:25:57 GMT
Suspect if you end up with no FIBA approved league, you won’t get firstly the visa’s for non British players and additionally no insurance for those players in case of injury.
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Post by SamH on Jul 3, 2024 21:34:06 GMT
Are you sure cosby? Why would insurers care if you're FIBA approved or not? As long as you can demonstrate meeting certain standards of H&S that are necessary? And visas, really? Why would a visa not be issued if you have been offered employment playing a sport, regardless of what governing body might be overseeing it? Again, as long as the league is set up as a genuine employer, I don't see why it would be an issue?
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Post by milehigh on Jul 3, 2024 21:39:27 GMT
There are a number of criteria hat must be met for a professional sportman to be granted a work permit. one of which is approval of the competition by the national/world governing body.
Hence the BBL owning thre pro league license was essential.
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Post by dexter on Jul 3, 2024 21:51:11 GMT
Suspect if you end up with no FIBA approved league, you won’t get firstly the visa’s for non British players and additionally no insurance for those players in case of injury. Ah yes you're right. So 777 Partners administrators are trying sell a 3 team league that can't employ any imports. Meanwhile BBF are trying to find someone to run a 6 team FIBA sanctioned league. |
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Post by cosbyrider on Jul 3, 2024 22:11:25 GMT
Are you sure cosby? Why would insurers care if you're FIBA approved or not? As long as you can demonstrate meeting certain standards of H&S that are necessary? And visas, really? Why would a visa not be issued if you have been offered employment playing a sport, regardless of what governing body might be overseeing it? Again, as long as the league is set up as a genuine employer, I don't see why it would be an issue? Sporting visa’s centre on professionalism - they got very tough post Brexit. A non-FIBA approved league by definition is not professional. The authorities say well you get a British player to take that role. Seen it in speedway a fair bit. Insurance has to come via the national sporting federations. If you try setting up a football team for examples, there are all sorts of rules when comes to be affiliated to the local county FA. Even Sunday morning park stuff needs insurance and that’s guided through the FA. Same applies to Rugby Union and the RFU from when I played in late teenage years. If British Basketball doesn’t recognise the league, you don’t get insurance |
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Post by cosbyrider on Jul 3, 2024 22:17:14 GMT
Another point who provides the ref’s in a non FIBA approved league?
Again the referee courses, training and support is all ran by British Basketball. A quick look suggests FIBA have a hand in that too.
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Post by cosbyrider on Jul 3, 2024 22:20:44 GMT
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Post by SamH on Jul 3, 2024 23:35:09 GMT
So in other words, basketball (at any level higher than NBL) is f***** for the foreseeable in the UK?
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jul 4, 2024 3:17:22 GMT
So in other words, basketball (at any level higher than NBL) is f***** for the foreseeable in the UK? Not true at all. A new league must receive Governing Body Endorsement, which is basically a rubber stamp if the new league is a genuine employer and genuinely need migrants. There is criteria about the type of player/migrant that can receive a visa however. And that criteria can be challenged. Depends on who is setting up the new league. If the new new league is backed by proven professionals from say, the NBA, Euroleague or Spain, they would have far more experience and would be additive to the sport and may be able to make a challenge to existing criteria. But any genuine business that has a need for migrants and provides tax paying jobs will have no problem. In the end, money talks |
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Post by cosbyrider on Jul 4, 2024 5:44:18 GMT
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Post by donthatetheplayer on Jul 4, 2024 10:47:39 GMT
IRF - still here and not convinced by the reply from KR. Plenty of holes. I guess if anyone has been attempting to re-engage with the Kuwaitis again in recent weeks (rumour is someone has in desperation) then it undermines his assertion that they were never regarded as a serious player. Anyway.
Moving onto the here and now. 777 haven't walked away from anything easily, ever. (see Everton). A Cap and 777 will not allow a shot gun league to spring up without a battle, you'd assume as it kills their investment stone dead, if it wasn't on life support already. If anyone is buying Lions, they'll need to invest in the millions just to wipe the slate, pay off Dekker etc. isnt happening. Easier to start afresh for a new investor. Can see the BLL as an entity now drifting along until its struck off, maybe another year easily. The people relying on it to function such as Patriots who are in a unique positon from the others, Giants and Lions, will by definition be left in limbo. Truth about Scorchers is every few years they gone and come back under something else, nothing sadly new here so imagine Tallerman speaks a lot of truth on that.
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