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Post by irf on Jul 2, 2024 16:48:50 GMT
In a BBC story about Nottingham Forest appointing a Head Coach for their netball team today it says the following:
"Forest are owned and managed by the Premier League football club, which says it has "major plans to develop a multi-sport model".
Basketball has to be in there surely?
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Post by irf on Jul 2, 2024 16:51:12 GMT
Nottingham Forest Netball will play in a revamped Netball Super League (NSL) from 2025, with owner Evangelos Marinakis looking to add other sports like he has at Olympiacos, whose vast portfolio includes basketball, volleyball and handball teams.
The Forest owner doesn't normally hang around when he does things either
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jul 2, 2024 18:03:32 GMT
London is no longer considered a suitable location for an NBA game. Not that it's unsuitable, there are just more suitable locations like Paris and Mexico where basketball is more popular. This is also true of NHL which plays some games in Sweden but not in London. London gets NFL games which seems to be slightly more popular than NBA with the British public, and MLB which isn't particularly popular anywhere in Europe as far as I know but probably a popular early summer event in the London sporting calendar. Not true, London and by extension, the UK is a vitally important market and has much more in common to the US, than any other destination. They will be back. The fact that basketball remains a mess in this country provides the NBA with a real opportunity to drive awareness to their brand. I would not sleep on them one bit. |
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Post by irf on Jul 2, 2024 18:13:31 GMT
London is no longer considered a suitable location for an NBA game. Not that it's unsuitable, there are just more suitable locations like Paris and Mexico where basketball is more popular. This is also true of NHL which plays some games in Sweden but not in London. London gets NFL games which seems to be slightly more popular than NBA with the British public, and MLB which isn't particularly popular anywhere in Europe as far as I know but probably a popular early summer event in the London sporting calendar. Not true, London and by extension, the UK is a vitally important market and has much more in common to the US, than any other destination. They will be back. The fact that basketball remains a mess in this country provides the NBA with a real opportunity to drive awareness to their brand. I would not sleep on them one bit. Why are we so concerned about USA? And pushing NBA over here I think it's an unwanted distraction tbh If they come back they come back Would rather watch it when I'm over there |
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Post by spacejammer on Jul 2, 2024 20:48:56 GMT
I thought the NBA moving away from London was more down to simply having done it loads of times and wanting to take the product to other countries as well? Not because it wasn't well supported here, because it was always a sell out. They did do it here for many years so I get it, they want to expand to other places too - but I hope they might do an NBA London again in the future as a one off. NBA games in London were popular but they're doing it in Paris now instead as well as in Mexico and Abu Dhabi (preseason games only). I hope the NBA does return to London one day for a regular season game. I like the idea of the NBA playing a global game in a different location each year. As far as I know the NBA hasn't announced their plans for global games after 2025. It's understandable why they switched from London to Paris with basketball in France really thriving. Given the amount of teams and games in the NBA I'm suprised more teams don't hold one global game a season. I can understand them wanting to to try and attract a wider global market by trying other countries as well. But I'm sure 1 NBA game a year in London would probably still be feasible. |
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Post by dandayr on Jul 2, 2024 21:22:40 GMT
the issue with London is the same issue for all other clubs - it is just exacerbated there cause of higher housing costs.
The issue is the lack of commercial interest in the sport and the need to live off gate receipts and/or rich benefactors.
I support a football team that a 1800 crowd is typical and a 2750 is a bonus. The gate money is not the main income - and this is a Scottish championship club that was mid table to risking relegation play-off spot not one up in the top or playoff spots.
Season ticket and home gate receipts: £386,455
SPFL + SFA prize money: £413,254
The governing body has managed to get deals in place that mean even a side with a mid/low table finish and meh cup runs gets more income from prize money than from gate receipts.
Remember I am talking poor Scottish league here.
As long as pro basketball in the UK cannot generate commercial income that allows decent prize money based on league placings and not just being the winner (suspect even that is not decent at moment) then it will be hard for clubs to develop if reliant on gate money and finding a reliable long term deep pocketed benefactor.
EDIT to add for anyone else in doubt, this above is purely about BBL/ pro basketball in UK and replying to the conversations about challenges of running a club in London and IMHO the issue for a London club is same for all clubs, lack of commercial interest.
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Post by spacejammer on Jul 2, 2024 22:31:26 GMT
the issue with London is the same issue for all other clubs - it is just exacerbated there cause of higher housing costs. The issue is the lack of commercial interest in the sport and the need to live off gate receipts and/or rich benefactors. I support a football team that a 1800 crowd is typical and a 2750 is a bonus. The gate money is not the main income - and this is a Scottish championship club that was mid table to risking relegation play-off spot not one up in the top or playoff spots. Season ticket and home gate receipts: £386,455 SPFL + SFA prize money: £413,254 The governing body has managed to get deals in place that mean even a side with a mid/low table finish and meh cup runs gets more income from prize money than from gate receipts. Remember I am talking poor Scottish league here. As long as pro basketball in the UK cannot generate commercial income that allows decent prize money based on league placings and not just being the winner (suspect even that is not decent at moment) then it will be hard for clubs to develop if reliant on gate money and finding a reliable long term deep pocketed benefactor. Surely one game a year cannot hurt the NBA that much financially? Plus from reports I heard isn't basketball suppose to be the 2nd most popular sport to Football in the UK? Unless that is not the case, then surely the NBA should see it as a benefit to still try and run 1 game in the UK or even pre season friendlies. Otherwise I question why we are hosting the US national team full of NBA stars later on this month at the O2? (Also after 42 pages Im starting to wonder if is this not a record for longest thread on the board) |
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Post by dandayr on Jul 2, 2024 22:41:19 GMT
the issue with London is the same issue for all other clubs - it is just exacerbated there cause of higher housing costs. The issue is the lack of commercial interest in the sport and the need to live off gate receipts and/or rich benefactors. I support a football team that a 1800 crowd is typical and a 2750 is a bonus. The gate money is not the main income - and this is a Scottish championship club that was mid table to risking relegation play-off spot not one up in the top or playoff spots. Season ticket and home gate receipts: £386,455 SPFL + SFA prize money: £413,254 The governing body has managed to get deals in place that mean even a side with a mid/low table finish and meh cup runs gets more income from prize money than from gate receipts. Remember I am talking poor Scottish league here. As long as pro basketball in the UK cannot generate commercial income that allows decent prize money based on league placings and not just being the winner (suspect even that is not decent at moment) then it will be hard for clubs to develop if reliant on gate money and finding a reliable long term deep pocketed benefactor. Surely one game a year cannot hurt the NBA that much financially? Plus from reports I heard isn't basketball suppose to be the 2nd most popular sport to Football in the UK? Unless that is not the case, then surely the NBA should see it as a benefit to still try and run 1 game in the UK or even pre season friendlies. Otherwise I question why we are hosting the US national team full of NBA stars later on this month at the O2? (Also after 42 pages Im starting to wonder if is this not a record for longest thread on the board) I was not talking about NBA circus games abroad, I was replying to the points about why cant london support a pro BBL side - and its not imho a london issue, its a wider issue impacting all clubs |
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Post by SamH on Jul 3, 2024 0:45:38 GMT
Basketball isn't the 2nd most popular sport here but it might be the 2nd most played sport, if you include people shooting hoops down the local park. It's much easier to play Basketball than nearly any other sport because you can play alone, or in a pair. You can't do that for rugby, cricket, even football really aside from wall ball or something. Then golf and tennis require booking and paying for a facility, you can't just go play at the park. Schools rarely have tennis courts available either. Most schools have outside and inside hoops however.
The other issue is the lack of basketball on mainstream TV now. Unless you have sport channels, kids in particular aren't seeing it on tv now (bbc games generally being on late). Tnt are doing a superb job with their nba coverage but most people don't have tnt. Eurosport shows some European action but I don't know how many kids would get into that.
So I think lots of people, especially kids, play the sport but most are not getting into the pro game at any level as fans.
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Post by tallerman on Jul 3, 2024 11:07:52 GMT
I've heard surrey have lost uni funding so are done, Manchester and London will be saved and pats are done. 777 are stopping any new league appearing though so will be a tough goer if it happens at all
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Post by irf on Jul 3, 2024 11:21:43 GMT
I've heard surrey have lost uni funding so are done, Manchester and London will be saved and pats are done. 777 are stopping any new league appearing though so will be a tough goer if it happens at all Thanks for the update I imagine 777 lawyers have taken legal action then Big shame about Surrey and Pats Surprised about a new London team |
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Post by dexter on Jul 3, 2024 12:30:31 GMT
I've heard surrey have lost uni funding so are done, Manchester and London will be saved and pats are done. 777 are stopping any new league appearing though so will be a tough goer if it happens at all That is really sad for the Surrey fans. Guildford have lost their netball team and their basketball team. Maybe there is a connection there, maybe not. So it seems 777 Partners (or their administrators) want to sell an 8 team league. For a prospective investor who believes in the future of professional British basketball it's not a bad prospect. All teams have a decent arena except Bristol who are doing what they can to get theirs built. |
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Post by dexter on Jul 3, 2024 12:38:11 GMT
I've heard surrey have lost uni funding so are done, Manchester and London will be saved and pats are done. 777 are stopping any new league appearing though so will be a tough goer if it happens at all Thanks for the update I imagine 777 lawyers have taken legal action then Big shame about Surrey and Pats Surprised about a new London team This is going to drag on and cost money that British basketball doesn't have. |
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Post by irf on Jul 3, 2024 12:46:13 GMT
Thanks for the update I imagine 777 lawyers have taken legal action then Big shame about Surrey and Pats Surprised about a new London team This is going to drag on and cost money that British basketball doesn't have. The lawyers will likely be angling for some payment to back off Again which will be hard to afford |
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Post by tallerman on Jul 3, 2024 13:35:41 GMT
I've heard surrey have lost uni funding so are done, Manchester and London will be saved and pats are done. 777 are stopping any new league appearing though so will be a tough goer if it happens at all That is really sad for the Surrey fans. Guildford have lost their netball team and their basketball team. Maybe there is a connection there, maybe not. So it seems 777 Partners (or their administrators) want to sell an 8 team league. For a prospective investor who believes in the future of professional British basketball it's not a bad prospect. All teams have a decent arena except Bristol who are doing what they can to get theirs built. Both owned by the uni aren’t they? Probably why, if they still enter nbl then there’s no issue, if they fold completely it’ll be a shame |
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Post by dexter on Jul 3, 2024 13:57:00 GMT
That is really sad for the Surrey fans. Guildford have lost their netball team and their basketball team. Maybe there is a connection there, maybe not. So it seems 777 Partners (or their administrators) want to sell an 8 team league. For a prospective investor who believes in the future of professional British basketball it's not a bad prospect. All teams have a decent arena except Bristol who are doing what they can to get theirs built. Both owned by the uni aren’t they? Probably why, if they still enter nbl then there’s no issue, if they fold completely it’ll be a shame Yes they do have an NBL D3 team so they can continue just as Worcester Wolves did. I expect Surrey Scorchers will still exist and actually help improve the NBL. England Netball don't exactly have an equivalent of NBL but with NSL 2.0 there will be something to support that which might include teams like Surrey Storm. |
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Post by irf on Jul 3, 2024 15:06:01 GMT
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Post by Swish on Jul 3, 2024 15:25:55 GMT
I've heard surrey have lost uni funding so are done, Manchester and London will be saved and pats are done. 777 are stopping any new league appearing though so will be a tough goer if it happens at all Genuine question how can 777 stop a new league from being formed please? I thought they only had 45% of the shares in the League so the holder of the 55% of the shares would out vote them wouldn’t they? Or do 777 have access to at least another 6% of the shares as a result of owning or having part ownership of 3 teams meaning they actually have the majority of the shares here and can then do what they please |
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Post by hayesboy on Jul 3, 2024 15:35:45 GMT
None of this really matters in the cold light of day. All that matters to BBL fans is that they have a league to watch next season.
The longer that remains an unknown the more likley issues will crop up. I personally do not know if things Tallerman heard are true but they are not difficult to believe.
As a basketball fan with only a passing interest in the BBL my concern is that it inevtably weakens the sport in the UK if there is no professional league. There is a trickle down impact. Eagles for example are big in their local community and that includes kids basketball. I am sure most of the other clubs are the same in some shape or form.
Fingers crossed all becomes clear soon.
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Post by dexter on Jul 3, 2024 16:09:08 GMT
Scorchers really should release a statement. It is unfair to their fans and staff to let rumours spiral.
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