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Post by lochrocks on Feb 1, 2023 16:28:45 GMT
From Twitter.
Newcastle Eagles
🛫 The club has parted company with Donovan Johnson (@escobarszn)
who has signed a new deal in Greece. We wish Donovan all the best in the future and thank him for his contribution this season.
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Post by D44 on Feb 1, 2023 16:35:00 GMT
Good he was playing awful and we had too many players anyway, couldn't stay out of foul trouble mostly due his own petulance and seemed to get massively butt hurt by (the insurmountably better) Justin Gordon taking his starting spot.
At least it's one less backup player Coach can play for no reason other than to gift the opposition loads of points and hopefully he left by mutual consent if he found a new club and we didn't have to pay up his contract.
Anyone fancy taking Kennedy or Mockford next 😂
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Post by spacejammer on Feb 1, 2023 17:56:57 GMT
And so the circus season continues.
Can't say I'm surprised anymore.
Could barely stay on the court without getting into some sort of foul trouble or picking up a T.
I wonder who the referee's will decide to bully now.
Usually it was Darius they would pick on.
What's the chances by the last game of the season we have no team show up.
It's like their is no pride in playing for Newcastle Eagles at the moment.☹️
Our entrance music might as well be "What's Up" by the band 4 non Blondes as I have no idea what's going on anymore.
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Post by mansfieldmike on Feb 1, 2023 18:01:08 GMT
If they want to try to replace him, I think it would have to be a British national.
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Post by D44 on Feb 1, 2023 18:06:12 GMT
If they want to try to replace him, I think it would have to be a British national. Genuinely think this won't hurt us at all. Got to ride our best 5 with a few minutes for Darius and Denz thrown in if we have any chance of creeping into the playoffs. Not that the thought of loosing to London in the first round appeals much anyway. If we need a 10th man may as well give one of the NBL lads some minutes. |
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Post by baldeagle on Feb 1, 2023 18:37:19 GMT
If they want to try to replace him, I think it would have to be a British national. Correct - and I guess the “if” depends on budgeting. |
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Post by baldeagle on Feb 1, 2023 18:39:10 GMT
I’m afraid I saw this one coming a fortnight ago when he looked pretty petulant and uncommitted, possibly due to (rightly) losing his starting slot.
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Post by erj14 on Feb 1, 2023 18:43:39 GMT
And so the circus season continues. Can't say I'm surprised anymore. Could barely stay on the court without getting into some sort of foul trouble or picking up a T. I wonder who the referee's will decide to bully now. Usually it was Darius they would pick on. What's the chances by the last game of the season we have no team show up. It's like their is no pride in playing for Newcastle Eagles at the moment.☹️ Our entrance music might as well be "What's Up" by the band 4 non Blondes as I have no idea what's going on anymore. Don't think he was being 'bullied' by the refs personally. He made himself a target with his behaviour and not playing smart defense. Yeah he had the odd tough call, every player gets that. Deal with it better, you're supposed to be a professional. Glad he's gone, was nothing but a distraction. You put up with that if they're a talented player. Not for a below average import. |
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Post by spacejammer on Feb 1, 2023 21:10:06 GMT
And so the circus season continues. Can't say I'm surprised anymore. Could barely stay on the court without getting into some sort of foul trouble or picking up a T. I wonder who the referee's will decide to bully now. Usually it was Darius they would pick on. What's the chances by the last game of the season we have no team show up. It's like their is no pride in playing for Newcastle Eagles at the moment.☹️ Our entrance music might as well be "What's Up" by the band 4 non Blondes as I have no idea what's going on anymore. Don't think he was being 'bullied' by the refs personally. He made himself a target with his behaviour and not playing smart defense. Yeah he had the odd tough call, every player gets that. Deal with it better, you're supposed to be a professional. Glad he's gone, was nothing but a distraction. You put up with that if they're a talented player. Not for a below average import. What is happening to the Eagles man? About a decade ago we were a team that alot of players wanted to play for and loved playing together. I remember us keeping great calibre players for a like Fletcher, Chapman and Martin even after triumphant seasons when I expected them to move on to bigger leagues. And players who come from other BBL teams used to say one of the things that attracted them to the Eagles was the fact we look after our players as well. The amount of changes this season suggests their is a massive issue going on within the Eagles and something is not quite right. Never mind will or won't we make the playoffs. I'm starting to wonder which contestant will be next to leave the team? |
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Post by D44 on Feb 1, 2023 21:26:56 GMT
Don't think he was being 'bullied' by the refs personally. He made himself a target with his behaviour and not playing smart defense. Yeah he had the odd tough call, every player gets that. Deal with it better, you're supposed to be a professional. Glad he's gone, was nothing but a distraction. You put up with that if they're a talented player. Not for a below average import. What is happening to the Eagles man? About a decade ago we were a team that alot of players wanted to play for and loved playing together. I remember us keeping great calibre players for a like Fletcher, Chapman and Martin even after triumphant seasons when I expected them to move on to bigger leagues. And players who come from other BBL teams used to say one of the things that attracted them to the Eagles was the fact we look after our players as well. The amount of changes this season suggests their is a massive issue going on within the Eagles and something is not quite right. Never mind will or won't we make the playoffs. I'm starting to wonder which contestant will be next to leave the team? Going from having the biggest wage budget in the league by a mile to barely scraping mid table. Fab and Forrester leaving. |
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Post by stevetino on Feb 1, 2023 22:39:32 GMT
Not surprising, needed to happen and see what we can do with 1 less distraction, easy target for refs
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Post by erj14 on Feb 2, 2023 9:26:37 GMT
Don't think he was being 'bullied' by the refs personally. He made himself a target with his behaviour and not playing smart defense. Yeah he had the odd tough call, every player gets that. Deal with it better, you're supposed to be a professional. Glad he's gone, was nothing but a distraction. You put up with that if they're a talented player. Not for a below average import. What is happening to the Eagles man? About a decade ago we were a team that alot of players wanted to play for and loved playing together. I remember us keeping great calibre players for a like Fletcher, Chapman and Martin even after triumphant seasons when I expected them to move on to bigger leagues. And players who come from other BBL teams used to say one of the things that attracted them to the Eagles was the fact we look after our players as well. The amount of changes this season suggests their is a massive issue going on within the Eagles and something is not quite right. Never mind will or won't we make the playoffs. I'm starting to wonder which contestant will be next to leave the team? We were lucky to have an all time great coach, who was a control freak and demanded the best out of everyone involved with the pro team. Expectations were high and if you didn't meet them, you were quickly shown the door. Very similar to Riders now, if Rob P were to leave them they might see a similar drop off. It's not easy at all replacing a successful coach. Also, the league is stronger from top to bottom now. If Fab had left in 2013 for example, maybe we would've dropped to fourth or so with the changeover. Now everyone is good, so mistakes are punished. Steutel is still finding his way, I'm happy to give him a pass this season and chalk it up to experience. If next season is like this, I'll be less forgiving. |
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Post by tallerman on Feb 2, 2023 9:40:16 GMT
It’s an interesting debate because it’s pretty much exactly what happened with Man U in football after Ferguson. I trust Marc to get things back on track an establish his own culture but it could take years
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Post by irf on Feb 2, 2023 11:41:46 GMT
I agree with the last 2 posts about it could take time and you need a great coach to make his mark etc
Eagles also need to seriously improve how they recruit as well though as there's a definite limit to what a coach can achieve. Based on the squad they have to work with.
Eagles need to understand you can no longer compete to any significant level with a shallow squad. If they want to compete at the top they will need to recruit better quality and deeper. Simple as that. This will need investment
They need to recruit deeper squads and much better quality Brits (who they can recruit imports around)
It's not just down to coaching ability.
Fabs last years at eagles saw Eagles go downhill in terms of league position
Other clubs started recruiting deeper and better quality around them towards the end of Fabs career at Eagles and Fab even at his most experienced by then couldn't coach a team to the success they were used to
So this is not just down to a great coach getting more from players
Fab did not hand over a successful club to the next coach
They were a club going seriously downhill already
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Post by D44 on Feb 2, 2023 12:39:51 GMT
I agree with the last 2 posts about it could take time and you need a great coach to make his mark etc Eagles also need to seriously improve how they recruit as well though as there's a definite limit to what a coach can achieve. Based on the squad they have to work with. Eagles need to understand you can no longer compete to any significant level with a shallow squad. If they want to compete at the top they will need to recruit better quality and deeper. Simple as that. This will need investment They need to recruit deeper squads and much better quality Brits (who they can recruit imports around) It's not just down to coaching ability. Fabs last years at eagles saw Eagles go downhill in terms of league position Other clubs started recruiting deeper and better quality around them towards the end of Fabs career at Eagles and Fab even at his most experienced by then couldn't coach a team to the success they were used to So this is not just down to a great coach getting more from players Fab did not hand over a successful club to the next coach They were a club going seriously downhill already If Fab didn't hand over a successful club why did we win three trophies under Coach Mac 😂😂😂 Bristol Flyers haven't won anything in their entire existence Giants haven't won anything since they were reformed in 2012 Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002 |
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Post by jt on Feb 2, 2023 13:06:36 GMT
I agree with the last 2 posts about it could take time and you need a great coach to make his mark etc Eagles also need to seriously improve how they recruit as well though as there's a definite limit to what a coach can achieve. Based on the squad they have to work with. Eagles need to understand you can no longer compete to any significant level with a shallow squad. If they want to compete at the top they will need to recruit better quality and deeper. Simple as that. This will need investment They need to recruit deeper squads and much better quality Brits (who they can recruit imports around) It's not just down to coaching ability. Fabs last years at eagles saw Eagles go downhill in terms of league position Other clubs started recruiting deeper and better quality around them towards the end of Fabs career at Eagles and Fab even at his most experienced by then couldn't coach a team to the success they were used to So this is not just down to a great coach getting more from players Fab did not hand over a successful club to the next coach They were a club going seriously downhill already If Fab didn't hand over a successful club why did we win three trophies under Coach Mac 😂😂😂 Bristol Flyers haven't won anything in their entire existence Giants haven't won anything since they were reformed in 2012 Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002 "Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002" - Their old owner claimed they deserved the Championship 'in the spirit of sporting integrity' when Covid cancelled the season! Does that not count? |
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Post by spacejammer on Feb 2, 2023 13:12:09 GMT
I agree with the last 2 posts about it could take time and you need a great coach to make his mark etc Eagles also need to seriously improve how they recruit as well though as there's a definite limit to what a coach can achieve. Based on the squad they have to work with. Eagles need to understand you can no longer compete to any significant level with a shallow squad. If they want to compete at the top they will need to recruit better quality and deeper. Simple as that. This will need investment They need to recruit deeper squads and much better quality Brits (who they can recruit imports around) It's not just down to coaching ability. Fabs last years at eagles saw Eagles go downhill in terms of league position Other clubs started recruiting deeper and better quality around them towards the end of Fabs career at Eagles and Fab even at his most experienced by then couldn't coach a team to the success they were used to So this is not just down to a great coach getting more from players Fab did not hand over a successful club to the next coach They were a club going seriously downhill already If Fab didn't hand over a successful club why did we win three trophies under Coach Mac 😂😂😂 Bristol Flyers haven't won anything in their entire existence Giants haven't won anything since they were reformed in 2012 Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002 Mac did well to last as long as he did post Fab and he brought us everything asides the BBL Championship. And for that I have a lot of respect for him. However for all teams whilst Cups, Playoffs and Trophies are great. I think that the overall goal especially for the Eagles is belief we can one day win a BBL Championship. And with the way he coached last season and let things slide I didn't believe he was going to be that person to lead us back to the top. Stetuel fair enough things haven't been much better the way this seasons panned out. However given how he atleast isn't afraid to let the team know when the performance isn't good enough. Gives me more confidence that we could one day get back there as he has the drive. To me the fault for this season has to be with whoever is running our recruitment. Which I'm guessing isn't Marc since its his 1st season in charge. Last season we didn't change enough and this season we have changed things to much with personell. |
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Post by irf on Feb 2, 2023 13:22:34 GMT
If Fab didn't hand over a successful club why did we win three trophies under Coach Mac 😂😂😂 Bristol Flyers haven't won anything in their entire existence Giants haven't won anything since they were reformed in 2012 Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002 "Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002" - Their old owner claimed they deserved the Championship 'in the spirit of sporting integrity' when Covid cancelled the season! Does that not count? Ever since I've been on here league has been the number one priority to win Mac lost his job because the downhill trajectory of eagles in the league which started under Fab continued with Mac Now as I've said many times on here before. You have to recognise a problem to be able to solve it. We've discussed this before. Eagles have been gradually over taken by the rest of the league. That's just fact. And that's taken place under the watch of 3 different coaches now Fab, Mac and Steutel to date. Without a recruitment rethink and more investment in quality players nothing Steutel will be able to change about that. Will just continue to be the best supported team in the league but also rans when it comes to competing in it Obviously for all the team's now (not just Eagles) having to compete with Lions has moved the bar even higher Which currently means finishing 8th in league is just meaning inevitable failure in first round of playoffs Kind of a poison chalice tbh |
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Post by irf on Feb 2, 2023 13:29:26 GMT
I agree with the last 2 posts about it could take time and you need a great coach to make his mark etc Eagles also need to seriously improve how they recruit as well though as there's a definite limit to what a coach can achieve. Based on the squad they have to work with. Eagles need to understand you can no longer compete to any significant level with a shallow squad. If they want to compete at the top they will need to recruit better quality and deeper. Simple as that. This will need investment They need to recruit deeper squads and much better quality Brits (who they can recruit imports around) It's not just down to coaching ability. Fabs last years at eagles saw Eagles go downhill in terms of league position Other clubs started recruiting deeper and better quality around them towards the end of Fabs career at Eagles and Fab even at his most experienced by then couldn't coach a team to the success they were used to So this is not just down to a great coach getting more from players Fab did not hand over a successful club to the next coach They were a club going seriously downhill already If Fab didn't hand over a successful club why did we win three trophies under Coach Mac 😂😂😂 Bristol Flyers haven't won anything in their entire existence Giants haven't won anything since they were reformed in 2012 Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002 You are just listing other unsuccessful clubs above? All 3 of which are currently better than Eagles though If Fab was coaching the current Eagles squad they would still be in same position they are now or thereabouts |
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Post by D44 on Feb 2, 2023 14:26:38 GMT
If Fab didn't hand over a successful club why did we win three trophies under Coach Mac 😂😂😂 Bristol Flyers haven't won anything in their entire existence Giants haven't won anything since they were reformed in 2012 Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002 You are just listing other unsuccessful clubs above? All 3 of which are currently better than Eagles though If Fab was coaching the current Eagles squad they would still be in same position they are now or thereabouts They've recruited better than Eagles last couple of seasons. Our budget is probably fairly similar. I don't understand your point. If Riders go a few seasons without winning anything (very likely given Lions new wealth) are you going to say the same thing about Riders? What should the fans do? Get upset we aren't the richest club anyone? Go stand outside the arena with bedsheets pained with emulsion saying 'Blake family out' or whatever. Get a new owner who'll risk the stability of the club on one mad season of recruitment like Raiders, Royals or Giants did? |
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