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Post by D44 on Feb 2, 2023 14:33:41 GMT
If Fab didn't hand over a successful club why did we win three trophies under Coach Mac 😂😂😂 Bristol Flyers haven't won anything in their entire existence Giants haven't won anything since they were reformed in 2012 Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002 "Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002" - Their old owner claimed they deserved the Championship 'in the spirit of sporting integrity' when Covid cancelled the season! Does that not count? No absolutely not. Season was officially abandoned and records roll say they forever. |
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Post by erj14 on Feb 2, 2023 14:44:02 GMT
I agree with the last 2 posts about it could take time and you need a great coach to make his mark etc Eagles also need to seriously improve how they recruit as well though as there's a definite limit to what a coach can achieve. Based on the squad they have to work with. Eagles need to understand you can no longer compete to any significant level with a shallow squad. If they want to compete at the top they will need to recruit better quality and deeper. Simple as that. This will need investment They need to recruit deeper squads and much better quality Brits (who they can recruit imports around) It's not just down to coaching ability. Fabs last years at eagles saw Eagles go downhill in terms of league position Other clubs started recruiting deeper and better quality around them towards the end of Fabs career at Eagles and Fab even at his most experienced by then couldn't coach a team to the success they were used to So this is not just down to a great coach getting more from players Fab did not hand over a successful club to the next coach They were a club going seriously downhill already I absolutely agree that Eagles need to improve the way they recruit. Reading between the lines I don't think Steutel recruited our initial roster and that perhaps this was done between Paul Blake and Gary stronach. I'd imagine that Steutel then has had more to do with the additional players we've signed as the season has progressed. They have improved the team, so hopefully positive signs for the future. One thing they definitely need to do is try and have a clear vision for what sort of roster they want, that wasn't the case for this season in my opinion. I don't agree that Fab would have us in a similar position as what Steutel does at the moment. We'd be up there in the top 4 fight, no doubt. Its fairly widely known that in Fab's last few years our budget wasn't that competitive as we were preparing for our arena. I think we probably have a stronger budget than most of the league now, but have pissed it up the wall this season. I've said this before but I'd also like to see some new blood assisting Marc on the bench as well. |
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Post by spacejammer on Feb 2, 2023 15:11:55 GMT
If Fab didn't hand over a successful club why did we win three trophies under Coach Mac 😂😂😂 Bristol Flyers haven't won anything in their entire existence Giants haven't won anything since they were reformed in 2012 Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002 You are just listing other unsuccessful clubs above? All 3 of which are currently better than Eagles though If Fab was coaching the current Eagles squad they would still be in same position they are now or thereabouts So let me get this straight. Although our last trophy was 2 seasons ago. Your saying that 2 teams who have never won anything and 1 club who hasn't won anything for 2 decades are some what better then the Eagles? I fail to see the logic. |
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Post by irf on Feb 2, 2023 15:24:44 GMT
I agree with the last 2 posts about it could take time and you need a great coach to make his mark etc Eagles also need to seriously improve how they recruit as well though as there's a definite limit to what a coach can achieve. Based on the squad they have to work with. Eagles need to understand you can no longer compete to any significant level with a shallow squad. If they want to compete at the top they will need to recruit better quality and deeper. Simple as that. This will need investment They need to recruit deeper squads and much better quality Brits (who they can recruit imports around) It's not just down to coaching ability. Fabs last years at eagles saw Eagles go downhill in terms of league position Other clubs started recruiting deeper and better quality around them towards the end of Fabs career at Eagles and Fab even at his most experienced by then couldn't coach a team to the success they were used to So this is not just down to a great coach getting more from players Fab did not hand over a successful club to the next coach They were a club going seriously downhill already I absolutely agree that Eagles need to improve the way they recruit. Reading between the lines I don't think Steutel recruited our initial roster and that perhaps this was done between Paul Blake and Gary stronach. I'd imagine that Steutel then has had more to do with the additional players we've signed as the season has progressed. They have improved the team, so hopefully positive signs for the future. One thing they definitely need to do is try and have a clear vision for what sort of roster they want, that wasn't the case for this season in my opinion. I don't agree that Fab would have us in a similar position as what Steutel does at the moment. We'd be up there in the top 4 fight, no doubt. Its fairly widely known that in Fab's last few years our budget wasn't that competitive as we were preparing for our arena. I think we probably have a stronger budget than most of the league now, but have pissed it up the wall this season. I've said this before but I'd also like to see some new blood assisting Marc on the bench as well. If you are saying Fab with same budget spent this season would have been Top 4 fair enough But if you are saying Fab with this squad would have been Top 4 I would disagree My point was with recruitment this bad the coach can't help |
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Post by irf on Feb 2, 2023 15:28:02 GMT
You are just listing other unsuccessful clubs above? All 3 of which are currently better than Eagles though If Fab was coaching the current Eagles squad they would still be in same position they are now or thereabouts So let me get this straight. Although our last trophy was 2 seasons ago. Your saying that 2 teams who have never won anything and 1 club who hasn't won anything for 2 decades are some what better then the Eagles? I fail to see the logic. ?? I'm just saying currently all 3 of those teams are better than eagles That's not up for debate is it? Theyve leapfrogged Eagles in terms of competing in BBL |
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Post by erj14 on Feb 2, 2023 15:32:17 GMT
I absolutely agree that Eagles need to improve the way they recruit. Reading between the lines I don't think Steutel recruited our initial roster and that perhaps this was done between Paul Blake and Gary stronach. I'd imagine that Steutel then has had more to do with the additional players we've signed as the season has progressed. They have improved the team, so hopefully positive signs for the future. One thing they definitely need to do is try and have a clear vision for what sort of roster they want, that wasn't the case for this season in my opinion. I don't agree that Fab would have us in a similar position as what Steutel does at the moment. We'd be up there in the top 4 fight, no doubt. Its fairly widely known that in Fab's last few years our budget wasn't that competitive as we were preparing for our arena. I think we probably have a stronger budget than most of the league now, but have pissed it up the wall this season. I've said this before but I'd also like to see some new blood assisting Marc on the bench as well. If you are saying Fab with same budget spent this season would have been Top 4 fair enough But if you are saying Fab with this squad would have been Top 4 I would disagree My point was with recruitment this bad the coach can't help Yeah that's what I'm getting at. No way would we have this bad a squad with Fab and Dave pulling the levers. If Fab was coaching this team, we'd be better but not top 4 better. It's a moot point though, no way would Fab have overseen a season of chaos like this one. |
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Post by erj14 on Feb 2, 2023 15:35:42 GMT
So let me get this straight. Although our last trophy was 2 seasons ago. Your saying that 2 teams who have never won anything and 1 club who hasn't won anything for 2 decades are some what better then the Eagles? I fail to see the logic. ?? I'm just saying currently all 3 of those teams are better than eagles That's not up for debate is it? Theyve leapfrogged Eagles in terms of competing in BBL Can't deny that, they've all overtaken Newcastle when it comes to on court performance (even though Manchester are doing it with a half empty, expensive to run venue). I'm just hoping it's a blip and set in stone. There is enough going on off court to suggest we should get back up there, so long as some smart decisions are made at the top. |
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Post by mac on Feb 3, 2023 12:04:23 GMT
Bye bye Donny, you'll not be missed.
IRF, there's no meat left on your Fab man bad bone. Time to bury it methinks. The blog will thank you.
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Post by irf on Feb 3, 2023 18:20:20 GMT
Bye bye Donny, you'll not be missed. IRF, there's no meat left on your Fab man bad bone. Time to bury it methinks. The blog will thank you. Ignore the Fab remarks but the rest remains A coach can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear Recruitment is the major problem at Eagles and has been for years Maybe start blaming Paul Blake at some stage? He's been in charge whilst the recruitment has been consistently poor |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Feb 3, 2023 22:29:52 GMT
If Fab didn't hand over a successful club why did we win three trophies under Coach Mac 😂😂😂 Bristol Flyers haven't won anything in their entire existence Giants haven't won anything since they were reformed in 2012 Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002 "Glass/Rocks haven't won anything since 2002" - Their old owner claimed they deserved the Championship 'in the spirit of sporting integrity' when Covid cancelled the season! Does that not count? I agree with 75% of your last assertion! |
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Post by D44 on Feb 3, 2023 22:50:33 GMT
Bye bye Donny, you'll not be missed. IRF, there's no meat left on your Fab man bad bone. Time to bury it methinks. The blog will thank you. Ignore the Fab remarks but the rest remains A coach can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear Recruitment is the major problem at Eagles and has been for years Maybe start blaming Paul Blake at some stage? He's been in charge whilst the recruitment has been consistently poor He's also been in charge whilst we've won everything multiple times, including multiple sweeps 😂 You've got a short memory IRF |
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Post by irf on Feb 4, 2023 5:50:31 GMT
Ignore the Fab remarks but the rest remains A coach can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear Recruitment is the major problem at Eagles and has been for years Maybe start blaming Paul Blake at some stage? He's been in charge whilst the recruitment has been consistently poor He's also been in charge whilst we've won everything multiple times, including multiple sweeps 😂 You've got a short memory IRF Yep but the BBL has significantly changed All the clubs around him have improved Danger is he's stuck in the past? We all recognise Eagles squads have not been anywhere near good enough in comparison to other clubs since the last sweep (many years ago now) Somebody has to be to blame for it? How long can you defend the current performance by talking about past glories? |
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Post by D44 on Feb 4, 2023 11:13:40 GMT
He's also been in charge whilst we've won everything multiple times, including multiple sweeps 😂 You've got a short memory IRF Yep but the BBL has significantly changed All the clubs around him have improved Danger is he's stuck in the past? We all recognise Eagles squads have not been anywhere near good enough in comparison to other clubs since the last sweep (many years ago now) Somebody has to be to blame for it? How long can you defend the current performance by talking about past glories? Who will you blame when Riders go 2 seasons without winning anything out of interest? Rob out? Russel Levinston out? |
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Post by irf on Feb 4, 2023 12:11:26 GMT
Yep but the BBL has significantly changed All the clubs around him have improved Danger is he's stuck in the past? We all recognise Eagles squads have not been anywhere near good enough in comparison to other clubs since the last sweep (many years ago now) Somebody has to be to blame for it? How long can you defend the current performance by talking about past glories? Who will you blame when Riders go 2 seasons without winning anything out of interest? Rob out? Russel Levinston out? If we remain the next best club in BBL apart from Lions (which we are currently) then I won't blame either of them for NOT being able to compete with Lions budget Eagles have been overtaken by clubs with LOWER budgets than them Be honest? What are you actually defending? If the sports teams I support aren't doing well and there are things that need to seriously improve I don't defend that or pretend it's not happening? |
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Post by D44 on Feb 4, 2023 16:31:54 GMT
Who will you blame when Riders go 2 seasons without winning anything out of interest? Rob out? Russel Levinston out? If we remain the next best club in BBL apart from Lions (which we are currently) then I won't blame either of them for NOT being able to compete with Lions budget Eagles have been overtaken by clubs with LOWER budgets than them Be honest? What are you actually defending? If the sports teams I support aren't doing well and there are things that need to seriously improve I don't defend that or pretend it's not happening? You didn't answer the question, no prizes for being second best IRF. Saying we are being left behind by clubs who play in leisure centres in front of 500 fans and have literally won nothing for their entire existence if absolute fantasy. The recruitment hasn't been great, but it's the risk when you get with big roster churn year to year. There's certainly an amount of luck with that. We've got a mid table budget and are playing below that sure, but it happens. The bigger issue at Eagles, as with every club in the BBL including Leicester, is how to get more revenue in so this London thing doesn't become a procession. Whilst I 100% disagree with certain ways the club has gone about the 'rebuild' after the core players started leaving or retiring this is no crisis. |
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Post by tallerman on Feb 4, 2023 19:54:46 GMT
Interestingly i was talking to someone in the know at Leicester this morning. I was pleasantly surprised at the riders playing budget! Low may it continue
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Post by eagles18000 on Feb 4, 2023 23:01:46 GMT
irf. complaining about other teams recruitment when leicester literally had one guy to recruit and got it wrong three separate times ….
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Post by irf on Feb 5, 2023 6:49:21 GMT
irf. complaining about other teams recruitment when leicester literally had one guy to recruit and got it wrong three separate times …. We get far more recruitment decisions right than we get wrong? Eagles consistently get far more wrong than they get right? The League Table speaks for itself on that for many years now? This debate has nothing to do with Riders regardless Eagles have demonstrated significantly worse recruitment in BBL for some times based on where they should be I've honestly never known a fanbase of a sports team to be so accepting of poor team management? That's clearly not restricted to on here The fans are still turning up in numbers to watch a team compete at bottom of the league level Takes a lot of pressure off the owner. And I guess as prize money is non existent in BBL then the owner isn't financially hurt by poor performance on court All at stake at the moment is the extra income from a single home leg playoff I guess Being at the bottom of the league only really damages pride rather than finances |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Feb 5, 2023 18:54:41 GMT
Outside of the parallel universe stuff in London, I'm not convinced this has been a particularly brilliant year for the BBL full stop in terms of recruitment. Riders have obviously had their struggles finding new players capable of making a significant impact. They're the only team I watch regularly so I'm judging the rest on limited sightings but I personally don't think I've seen any genuine standouts. Obviously there are some new players having good individual seasons but none that look to me like they could be destined for significantly bigger things. Flyers are clearly one of the best teams this season and they're doing it with what is, on paper at least, a pretty unspectacular bunch including three rookie Americans from so-so college backgrounds.
It's relatively early days, I guess, but I'm not seeing much evidence so far to suggest that what's going on in London is helping other clubs attract a better calibre of player.
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Post by erj14 on Feb 5, 2023 20:26:48 GMT
Outside of the parallel universe stuff in London, I'm not convinced this has been a particularly brilliant year for the BBL full stop in terms of recruitment. Riders have obviously had their struggles finding new players capable of making a significant impact. They're the only team I watch regularly so I'm judging the rest on limited sightings but I personally don't think I've seen any genuine standouts. Obviously there are some new players having good individual seasons but none that look to me like they could be destined for significantly bigger things. Flyers are clearly one of the best teams this season and they're doing it with what is, on paper at least, a pretty unspectacular bunch including three rookie Americans from so-so college backgrounds. It's relatively early days, I guess, but I'm not seeing much evidence so far to suggest that what's going on in London is helping other clubs attract a better calibre of player. That's because the notion that London spending a fortune on players has a positive impact on player recruitment for other teams is complete and utter bollocks. Players join clubs for one reason, and one reason only. Their salary. There is the odd exception but most of the time it comes down to how much money they can make. |
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