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Post by tallerman on Nov 14, 2022 18:09:08 GMT
He wasn't available, riders paid a buyout.
Im not on the wind up, i dont think he's as good as walker, not a stretch imo.
Only not debating as myself and samgray are both firm in our opinions so theres no point going around in circles.
I support riders 3 or 4 times a year so ill be hoping he plays well then
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Post by isthaturinal on Nov 14, 2022 18:41:35 GMT
……….. there’s a fairly long list of big guys who Robs system hasn’t got the best out of……. Genuine question…..can you supply a list of these big guys as I’m having difficulty in trying to remember (it’s me age)? I’ll start with Liam Potter, John Smith, Billy Reader just off the top of my head, I’ll try and think of more. |
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Post by bullets92 on Nov 14, 2022 19:02:33 GMT
Who was the Swede that played in Europe? Larsson? He came with a good resume and was naff
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Post by tallerman on Nov 14, 2022 19:03:05 GMT
Rob got the best out of potter he was just shit
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Post by irf on Nov 14, 2022 19:50:06 GMT
Rob got the best out of potter he was just shit Lol |
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Post by irf on Nov 14, 2022 19:50:42 GMT
Rob got the best out of potter he was just shit Same would apply to Billy Reader I think? Think Rob identified his talents very early on and developed him into a used car salesman? |
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Post by isthaturinal on Nov 14, 2022 20:47:38 GMT
Who was the Swede that played in Europe? Larsson? He came with a good resume and was naff Alex Larsson |
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Post by isthaturinal on Nov 14, 2022 20:58:08 GMT
Donovon Jack was another non starter…..
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Post by eagles18000 on Nov 14, 2022 22:36:53 GMT
Thomas de Taeey? Wayne Martin.
Hardest thing to do in the bbl is find solid bigs.
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Post by mansfieldmike on Nov 15, 2022 9:41:51 GMT
Never heard of either of them.
Little if nothing mentioned, on this post, that Menzies was selected in the 12 man GB squad for this last weekends Europe World Cup qualifiers.
A pity that he didn't at least get on court last night, particularly since the GB team were getting hammered, but hey ho.
I'm sure he will get significant court time at Riders, and will develop his, already adequate for GB, skills further under Rob's patronage and Mo Walker's knowledge of the position.
If he fits in at Riders, and develops in his position as I think he will, then it won't be long before he is sharing game minutes with Nelson-Henry.
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Nov 15, 2022 18:27:30 GMT
Larsson didn't come with a good resume tbh. He was a first year pro coming off a so-so career at UC Riverside. It was a questionable call at best going into a European season with a player like that as our starting C. Wayne Martin is actually having a pretty successful post-Riders career. A couple of years ago he averaged 16 and 7 for a team that won the league and cup in Finland. And last season he averaged 19 and 9 in Hungary. This is unquestionably a player capable of succeeding in the BBL. It would appear he's just become a FA too so if there's a team out there looking for an effective, albeit undersized big, he might be worth a look. Eagles haven't cut a player for several days now. They must be due another reshuffle.
Minnesota and Seattle are definitely not comparable universities. One plays in a major conference. The other plays in the WAC. That being said, I'm pretty sure the WAC has never received extensive TV coverage in the UK so I suspect tall man has seen rather less of Menzies than he'd have you believe. And Mo's college career is of little relevance at this point. What is relevant with Mo is that he's about to turn 31, he's never exactly been the type to keep himself in peak physical condition and he's just suffered his third basically season ending injury in four years. I cant recall another playing hanging around on a roster for this long and playing so little. Completely lost track of what kind of deal he's on but if we are committed to him beyond this season it strikes me as a headache we could do without. Neither he nor MBA have much appeal at this point in my opinion.
Bit surprised we didn't just use our leftover import slot to bring in a new big. I imagine there are plenty of FA Americans out there capable of coming in and doing a decent job. But Menzies looks solid enough on paper. And to be brutally honest, any player with the ability to stay healthy for more than five minutes feels like an upgrade over Walker.
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Post by irf on Nov 15, 2022 19:33:24 GMT
Larsson didn't come with a good resume tbh. He was a first year pro coming off a so-so career at UC Riverside. It was a questionable call at best going into a European season with a player like that as our starting C. Wayne Martin is actually having a pretty successful post-Riders career. A couple of years ago he averaged 16 and 7 for a team that won the league and cup in Finland. And last season he averaged 19 and 9 in Hungary. This is unquestionably a player capable of succeeding in the BBL. It would appear he's just become a FA too so if there's a team out there looking for an effective, albeit undersized big, he might be worth a look. Eagles haven't cut a player for several days now. They must be due another reshuffle. Minnesota and Seattle are definitely not comparable universities. One plays in a major conference. The other plays in the WAC. That being said, I'm pretty sure the WAC has never received extensive TV coverage in the UK so I suspect tall man has seen rather less of Menzies than he'd have you believe. And Mo's college career is of little relevance at this point. What is relevant with Mo is that he's about to turn 31, he's never exactly been the type to keep himself in peak physical condition and he's just suffered his third basically season ending injury in four years. I cant recall another playing hanging around on a roster for this long and playing so little. Completely lost track of what kind of deal he's on but if we are committed to him beyond this season it strikes me as a headache we could do without. Neither he nor MBA have much appeal at this point in my opinion. Bit surprised we didn't just use our leftover import slot to bring in a new big. I imagine there are plenty of FA Americans out there capable of coming in and doing a decent job. But Menzies looks solid enough on paper. And to be brutally honest, any player with the ability to stay healthy for more than five minutes feels like an upgrade over Walker. Anthony Rowe we also kept on roster a long time whilst injured or half injured He's the only one I can think of |
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Post by tallerman on Nov 15, 2022 20:14:11 GMT
Rowe is the G.O.A.T
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Post by jumbo on Nov 15, 2022 22:40:29 GMT
Yeah Larsson didn't manage much but as mentioned above he wasn't exactly a college stud coming in.
Jack and De Thaey are interesting ones. Both departed before they got going but both more wrong place wrong time than anything else. Think they quite liked De Thaey. But in both cases proven players became available that weren't when the squad was put together. Taylor King and Pierre Hampton respectively. And it was an either or in both cases. Dont think you can blame Rob for doing what he did in making the switches.
They never got much out of Reader but think that was more poor recruitment than anything else.
Gruis didn't pull up trees but played an effective role.
Brett Royster was one that lasted a full season but just never really did it for me.
Can't count John Smith. That was a couple of coaches before Rob.
The only one I can really think of that under performed was Ali Fraser. We never really got the Glasgow version. Although he had his moments.
Wayne Martin is a decent shout. Although I think I remember someone saying at the time that his replacement (think it was Timmy Williams) knew the plays better in his first game than Martin did in his last. Think he was a talented player but maybe not an ideal fit for Rob with low BBIQ.
Tawiah never really got off the bench much for us either and didn't look great in the minutes he got. But again we're talking a solid 7th/8th guy not a main player, a bit like Larsson.
Thinking back I still reckon more hits than misses with the big guys. Swanson, Johnson, Rowe, Hassan, Williams, Thomson, DNH. Sure I must have missed some.
In terms of the actual signing. Interested to see him play. Doubt he'll bring the scoring that Mo could offer. But interested to see what else he brings to the table. Ant Rowe won us a treble setting amazing screens for all the talent around him. Didn't need that much else. Set good screens and hit the 15 footer when it was there. But he was perfect for his role. We shall see what Menzies offers
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Post by blueskies99 on Nov 16, 2022 6:18:41 GMT
Yeah Larsson didn't manage much but as mentioned above he wasn't exactly a college stud coming in. Jack and De Thaey are interesting ones. Both departed before they got going but both more wrong place wrong time than anything else. Think they quite liked De Thaey. But in both cases proven players became available that weren't when the squad was put together. Taylor King and Pierre Hampton respectively. And it was an either or in both cases. Dont think you can blame Rob for doing what he did in making the switches. They never got much out of Reader but think that was more poor recruitment than anything else. Gruis didn't pull up trees but played an effective role. Brett Royster was one that lasted a full season but just never really did it for me. Can't count John Smith. That was a couple of coaches before Rob. The only one I can really think of that under performed was Ali Fraser. We never really got the Glasgow version. Although he had his moments. Wayne Martin is a decent shout. Although I think I remember someone saying at the time that his replacement (think it was Timmy Williams) knew the plays better in his first game than Martin did in his last. Think he was a talented player but maybe not an ideal fit for Rob with low BBIQ. Tawiah never really got off the bench much for us either and didn't look great in the minutes he got. But again we're talking a solid 7th/8th guy not a main player, a bit like Larsson. Thinking back I still reckon more hits than misses with the big guys. Swanson, Johnson, Rowe, Hassan, Williams, Thomson, DNH. Sure I must have missed some. In terms of the actual signing. Interested to see him play. Doubt he'll bring the scoring that Mo could offer. But interested to see what else he brings to the table. Ant Rowe won us a treble setting amazing screens for all the talent around him. Didn't need that much else. Set good screens and hit the 15 footer when it was there. But he was perfect for his role. We shall see what Menzies offers I’m impressed with your memory!  |
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Post by irf on Nov 16, 2022 7:51:09 GMT
Yeah Larsson didn't manage much but as mentioned above he wasn't exactly a college stud coming in. Jack and De Thaey are interesting ones. Both departed before they got going but both more wrong place wrong time than anything else. Think they quite liked De Thaey. But in both cases proven players became available that weren't when the squad was put together. Taylor King and Pierre Hampton respectively. And it was an either or in both cases. Dont think you can blame Rob for doing what he did in making the switches. They never got much out of Reader but think that was more poor recruitment than anything else. Gruis didn't pull up trees but played an effective role. Brett Royster was one that lasted a full season but just never really did it for me. Can't count John Smith. That was a couple of coaches before Rob. The only one I can really think of that under performed was Ali Fraser. We never really got the Glasgow version. Although he had his moments. Wayne Martin is a decent shout. Although I think I remember someone saying at the time that his replacement (think it was Timmy Williams) knew the plays better in his first game than Martin did in his last. Think he was a talented player but maybe not an ideal fit for Rob with low BBIQ. Tawiah never really got off the bench much for us either and didn't look great in the minutes he got. But again we're talking a solid 7th/8th guy not a main player, a bit like Larsson. Thinking back I still reckon more hits than misses with the big guys. Swanson, Johnson, Rowe, Hassan, Williams, Thomson, DNH. Sure I must have missed some. In terms of the actual signing. Interested to see him play. Doubt he'll bring the scoring that Mo could offer. But interested to see what else he brings to the table. Ant Rowe won us a treble setting amazing screens for all the talent around him. Didn't need that much else. Set good screens and hit the 15 footer when it was there. But he was perfect for his role. We shall see what Menzies offers I remember being sat next to Trevor Gruis brother at a Sharks game away He couldn't get his head round how bad the British basketball refs were And he wasn't being a bad loser as we won that game |
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Post by milehigh on Nov 16, 2022 8:04:41 GMT
It was probably the Sharks "in-house" team of officials Unsworth, Unsworth & Unsworth :-)
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Post by tallerman on Nov 16, 2022 17:19:56 GMT
Was gruis the farmer?
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Post by irf on Nov 16, 2022 17:46:11 GMT
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Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 17, 2022 10:31:54 GMT
The biggest concern for me atm isn't Menzies but Thornton. Initially, I was quietly impressed with his game but recently there seems to have been quite a falling off. We need him to improve significantly if we are to even come close to last season's standard as a team. Not convinced Paternostro believes in Thornton's ability to be the leader Riders need. Would like to be wrong.
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