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Post by irf on Jul 19, 2022 7:25:49 GMT
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Post by irf on Jul 19, 2022 7:26:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 7:46:21 GMT
Good to know
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 7:47:04 GMT
Oh wow it’s Geno
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Post by irf on Jul 19, 2022 8:48:11 GMT
If I'm running Lions with what appears to be an unlimited budget I would have made Geno an offer he couldn't refuse to sign for them
Even if they think they can find someone even better and it's just to be back up guard
He knows BBL inside out
Instantly they add the best player in BBL last two years to their roster
And cause chaos to Riders (their biggest BBL rivals) plans for the season
Obviously I'm glad they haven't done this
But I wonder why they wouldn't do something like that?
When money appears to be no object to them?
Does winning all the BBL trophies not interest them?
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jul 19, 2022 10:20:09 GMT
Their own PG was pdg last season.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Jul 19, 2022 11:42:23 GMT
Their own PG was pdg last season. Agreed but he hasn't signed yet for this season. Interesting point by irf, if money isn't a problem what better way to reduce your opponents chances than signing your main threat's MVP. Gino could always pop on and off for 5-10 mins a game and essentially have a "year off". |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jul 19, 2022 11:45:44 GMT
Their own PG was pdg last season. Agreed but he hasn't signed yet for this season. Interesting point by irf, if money isn't a problem what better way to reduce your opponents chances than signing your main threat's MVP. Gino could always pop on and off for 5-10 mins a game and essentially have a "year off". Think he wouldn't want to be second fiddle to another PG, especially since he's been in the limelight and won MVP awards. That's addictive. |
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Post by swimmingbadger on Jul 19, 2022 13:11:24 GMT
If I'm running Lions with what appears to be an unlimited budget I would have made Geno an offer he couldn't refuse to sign for them Even if they think they can find someone even better and it's just to be back up guard He knows BBL inside out Instantly they add the best player in BBL last two years to their roster And cause chaos to Riders (their biggest BBL rivals) plans for the season Obviously I'm glad they haven't done this But I wonder why they wouldn't do something like that? When money appears to be no object to them? Does winning all the BBL trophies not interest them? Maybe being the basketball equivalent of Danny Drinkwater doesn't appeal? |
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Post by boshspice on Jul 19, 2022 14:50:55 GMT
Crandall resigning for Riders is undoubtedly a huge positive for them. He’s been far and away the most impactful player across the past few seasons.
And that has pleasantly surprised me personally.
I saw a lot of Geno when he played out in the Czech Republic. He was pretty decent over here, but nothing more than that. It’s fair to say that his team certainly wasn’t the strongest, but he didn’t produce anything like the numbers or performances he has for the Riders. This could be due to a combination of factors; potentially due to the BBL being a lower level of competition and Rob P getting the best out of him. Either way he has really showcased his talent over here and I’m glad that we all have one more season at least to watch him play.
It does raise some thoughts and musings in my head which link into the Riders European ambitions (or lack thereof).
Geno was supposed to be the focal point for his Czech team in his time here. They played numerous games against both Nymburk and Opava (Champions League teams) and he didn’t stand out in those games at all. As mentioned before, his team wasn’t the best (but still capable, don’t get me wrong) and that wouldn’t have helped his individual cause, but they hung their hat on him offensively and he really didn’t deliver any type of consistency against that level of opposition.
The step up from the BBL to that level is far higher than a lot of fans realise, especially in terms of basketball IQ, physicality and defence. I don’t believe that the Riders will beat Voluntari to qualify, but if they do, I would expect it to be similar to their last European foray, ending with one or two wins at most, but more likely none.
I’m all for UK teams entering Euro competitions. Theoretically it should raise the profile of the game here. As good as the Riders are in domestic competitions I can’t ever see them making any type of significant waves in Europe unless they get funding and backing similar to that of London. Until that changes I can only see Riders remaining a big fish in a small pond in the BBL and being in perpetual European basketball limbo because of it.
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Post by isthaturinal on Jul 19, 2022 16:30:38 GMT
Sing along to the Eminem classic
Guess who’s back
Guess who’s back…
back again…
Genoa back….
Tell a friend….
Guess who’s back, guess who’s back
Guess who’s back, guess who’s back
Guess who’s back, guess who’s back
Guess who’s back.
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Jul 19, 2022 16:37:26 GMT
We need to beat Voluntari and Tofas and (probably) one of the best teams in Germany last year to qualify for the BCL regular season. If it was just Voluntari I'd be far more optimistic.
Given that Lions seem likely to outspend the competition like never before next season, I imagine most of their imports will have high level Europe and/or NBA experience. I doubt that inconveniencing domestic rivals is terribly high on their agenda. And I think it's unlikely Geno would be interested in coming off the bench for any team at this level. No matter what happens this summer, I imagine he'll begin next season believing that he's still the best player in the BBL and Riders are still the team to beat.
I do think he should have done enough at this point to be getting some decent offers elsewhere. And if I was in his shoes and I knew months ago that Europe was more of a hope for Riders next season than an expectation, I don't think I'd have been in a rush to pen a new deal. But I'm glad it's happened. Some welcome good news.
Not too fussed about seeing Jackson/Loving/Adekoya back. Will be hoping for a few exciting new additions now.
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Post by irf on Jul 19, 2022 17:25:09 GMT
Agreed but he hasn't signed yet for this season. Interesting point by irf, if money isn't a problem what better way to reduce your opponents chances than signing your main threat's MVP. Gino could always pop on and off for 5-10 mins a game and essentially have a "year off". Think he wouldn't want to be second fiddle to another PG, especially since he's been in the limelight and won MVP awards. That's addictive. Like I say though Make him an offer he can't refuse |
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Post by mac on Jul 19, 2022 18:59:40 GMT
Pleased for Riders, the man just oozes class. Quite surprised a European team didn't come in for him. Not surprised that Lions aren't involved given the way they've been run.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 21:53:01 GMT
Crandall resigning for Riders is undoubtedly a huge positive for them. He’s been far and away the most impactful player across the past few seasons. And that has pleasantly surprised me personally. I saw a lot of Geno when he played out in the Czech Republic. He was pretty decent over here, but nothing more than that. It’s fair to say that his team certainly wasn’t the strongest, but he didn’t produce anything like the numbers or performances he has for the Riders. This could be due to a combination of factors; potentially due to the BBL being a lower level of competition and Rob P getting the best out of him. Either way he has really showcased his talent over here and I’m glad that we all have one more season at least to watch him play. It does raise some thoughts and musings in my head which link into the Riders European ambitions (or lack thereof). Geno was supposed to be the focal point for his Czech team in his time here. They played numerous games against both Nymburk and Opava (Champions League teams) and he didn’t stand out in those games at all. As mentioned before, his team wasn’t the best (but still capable, don’t get me wrong) and that wouldn’t have helped his individual cause, but they hung their hat on him offensively and he really didn’t deliver any type of consistency against that level of opposition. The step up from the BBL to that level is far higher than a lot of fans realise, especially in terms of basketball IQ, physicality and defence. I don’t believe that the Riders will beat Voluntari to qualify, but if they do, I would expect it to be similar to their last European foray, ending with one or two wins at most, but more likely none. I’m all for UK teams entering Euro competitions. Theoretically it should raise the profile of the game here. As good as the Riders are in domestic competitions I can’t ever see them making any type of significant waves in Europe unless they get funding and backing similar to that of London. Until that changes I can only see Riders remaining a big fish in a small pond in the BBL and being in perpetual European basketball limbo because of it. The Czech league is definitely better, Which I’m sure played a part, but it was also his first professional season, I would like to see how he would handle a better league but at the same time I’m very glad to have someone his calibre want to stay in Britain To your point about riders entering Europe I think you are generally right but I also don’t think it is necessarily a bad thing, we are so incredibly far off teams being able to compete at Champions League level unless like you say it is a London situation of outspending everyone else tenfold, but there is nothing wrong with riders having a couple of games in the Champions League qualifiers, And hopefully entering the Europe cup in the next couple of seasons, I don’t think they need to spend like the lions to compete in that, and it would be a good barometer of where the BBL is compared to some of the other European leagues, I think they really struggle to sell tickets last time and with London’s attendances last season being even worse than the league games I can understand why they’re in no rush to throw themselves into again if they don’t have the proper funding |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 21:56:06 GMT
We need to beat Voluntari and Tofas and (probably) one of the best teams in Germany last year to qualify for the BCL regular season. If it was just Voluntari I'd be far more optimistic. Given that Lions seem likely to outspend the competition like never before next season, I imagine most of their imports will have high level Europe and/or NBA experience. I doubt that inconveniencing domestic rivals is terribly high on their agenda. And I think it's unlikely Geno would be interested in coming off the bench for any team at this level. No matter what happens this summer, I imagine he'll begin next season believing that he's still the best player in the BBL and Riders are still the team to beat. I do think he should have done enough at this point to be getting some decent offers elsewhere. And if I was in his shoes and I knew months ago that Europe was more of a hope for Riders next season than an expectation, I don't think I'd have been in a rush to pen a new deal. But I'm glad it's happened. Some welcome good news. Not too fussed about seeing Jackson/Loving/Adekoya back. Will be hoping for a few exciting new additions now. I imagine he definitely could’ve got more money somewhere but probably not a life changing amount of difference so maybe it’s a case of being happy in Leicester and an English speaking country maybe If you compare it to Parker Jackson Cartwright after his MVP season he left and joined a team in the French second division with I think the lowest salary in the division (was still twice the BBL salary cap mind) Now obviously it’s worked out very well for him but maybe Geno He’s only getting that kind of offer and doesn’t really see it as enough of a step up for the big upheaval it would be |
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Post by tallerman on Jul 20, 2022 14:55:52 GMT
Quite an interesting debate here.
Ultimately Geno isn't good enough to play at a lot higher level and has many faults hence why he's in the bbl. That's not a negative thats just a fact.
Could he chase a higher wage elsewhere every summer? Absolutely and he probably could do it for the next 5-8 seasons but if he's happy with his wage, happy with the set up and happy being being the big fish it only benefits the bbl and Leicester as a whole.
Chances are he'll play in Europe next season and he'll either shine and then move on or be average and want to stay in Leicester. Again neither are bad.
The idea London should throw big money at him is ridiculous. If they're throwing money as pg they sign someone who plays at a higher level not the same
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Jul 23, 2022 2:25:55 GMT
'Player X isn't good enough to play at a better level hence why he's in the BBL' is a bit of a reductive argument. The aforementioned Jackson-Cartwright was in the BBL a few years ago. Next season he'll be playing Euroleague. I realise he's an extreme example and I'm not suggesting Geno can follow in those footsteps but still. Being in the BBL doesn't automatically make you not good enough for top leagues.
I'm not an expert scout but it isn't clear to me what Geno's many faults are. In fact, I think he has some pretty obvious advantages over a lot of guards we've seen do very well in this league over the years. The one big knock on him his first year at Riders was his perimeter shot. Made about 40% from 3P range last season.
I think he has quite a bit of potential to climb the ladder personally. But if he's happy at Riders I won't complain. One of the best and most entertaining players the league has seen in the last 10-15 years, in my opinion.
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Post by mansfieldmike on Jul 23, 2022 8:55:47 GMT
Interestingly, both Jackson-Cartwright and Jonah Mathews who was a Rider temporarily, will be playing for the ProA French champions Asvel in Euroleague this coming season.
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Post by tallerman on Jul 23, 2022 16:04:41 GMT
'Player X isn't good enough to play at a better level hence why he's in the BBL' is a bit of a reductive argument. The aforementioned Jackson-Cartwright was in the BBL a few years ago. Next season he'll be playing Euroleague. I realise he's an extreme example and I'm not suggesting Geno can follow in those footsteps but still. Being in the BBL doesn't automatically make you not good enough for top leagues. I'm not an expert scout but it isn't clear to me what Geno's many faults are. In fact, I think he has some pretty obvious advantages over a lot of guards we've seen do very well in this league over the years. The one big knock on him his first year at Riders was his perimeter shot. Made about 40% from 3P range last season. I think he has quite a bit of potential to climb the ladder personally. But if he's happy at Riders I won't complain. One of the best and most entertaining players the league has seen in the last 10-15 years, in my opinion. Don't compare him to bbl players if you're saying he's better, compare him to that level. Jackson spent 1 year here and moved up, geno started higher moved down and is now going into year 3. There's a huge difference |
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