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Post by irf on Apr 30, 2022 21:35:57 GMT
I've no problem with lesser teams doing whatever it takes to try and compete and get a result That's sport Agreed, I think especially for the playoffs that's what I want to see rather than just rolling over to be humiliated. Feels to me like a slight sense of here are the golden boys of the league, the special ones, the guys who are head boy material with neat short back and sides haircuts who think they're better than everyone. So how dare anyone stand up to them and say, we don't care about any of that - we're here to drag you into the trenches and see how you can handle a bit of rough and ready. I'll bet the actual players didn't mind but maybe some fans think they are too 'golden' to have to deal with a bit of aggression? 🤔 The Fury v Whyte fight last week All of Fury camp said after that White was fighting dirty and using his elbow and every trick in the book to get into the fight At the same time they said they didn't blame him and that's what he needed to do to have a chance |
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Post by irf on Apr 30, 2022 21:36:46 GMT
I've no problem with lesser teams doing whatever it takes to try and compete and get a result That's sport Think you'll find most of the Riders players would disagree with you, judging by their reactions. I'm a huge fan of Crandall but don't admire the way he allows teams to get underneath his skin. However, I think most of his complaints (and Rob's) were fully justified last night. But we shall see what happens at 4pm tomorrow. Ironically, the attack on Rob seemed to galvanise our players and spurred us on to a solid victory by a decent margin. Our players aren't supposed to enjoy it though! That's the whole point isn't it? |
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Post by jumbo on Apr 30, 2022 21:43:10 GMT
Yeah don't have a problem with it at all. Gave plymouth their best chance of winning. Maybe their only chance. Be physical with everyone, particularly Geno, get under his skin, talk trash, hope he loses his head. And its up to Geno to keep his cool and win the game. And then take a bow at the end.
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Post by SamH on Apr 30, 2022 21:49:50 GMT
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Post by irf on Apr 30, 2022 22:02:47 GMT
Winning Ugly
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Post by milehigh on May 1, 2022 6:00:38 GMT
A question for those who think that Plymouth and the venue should have no punishment from the incident on Friday.
Would you say the same if the assault had caused life changing injuries, career ending injuries or even worse the death of the victim?
The fact is that as a club Plymouth, and the venue failed in their duty of care to protect a participant. A full investigtion needs to be held, with Plymouth covering the costs of the investigation, and if, as is likely, the club and venue are found to be at fault, a substantial fine should be imposed.
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Post by irf on May 1, 2022 6:11:15 GMT
A question for those who think that Plymouth and the venue should have no punishment from the incident on Friday. Would you say the same if the assault had caused life changing injuries, career ending injuries or even worse the death of the victim? The fact is that as a club Plymouth, and the venue failed in their duty of care to protect a participant. A full investigtion needs to be held, with Plymouth covering the costs of the investigation, and if, as is likely, the club and venue are found to be at fault, a substantial fine should be imposed. BBL clubs could never ever afford the number of stewards/security needed to prevent a nutcase fan from throwing something at a player or member of coaching staff I would say it's pretty unpreventable without draconian rules being introduced that need huge amounts of extra staff/security Do you want everybody searched before they enter the stadium? And nobody allowed to take anything in with them that they can throw Do we all suffer because of one idiot in 30 years at Pavilions? |
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Post by milehigh on May 1, 2022 6:19:45 GMT
Searcing spectators, and checking bags, is the norm for even small events in the USA and other countries.
Are you prepared to allow a player or coach be seriously injured or killed because the club couldn't be bothered to take the steps needed to fulfill protect the participants?
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Post by A tall man on May 1, 2022 6:33:12 GMT
A sanction needs to be put in place from the league so that it's clear you can't get away with it. After nearly 30 years of basketball at the venue it's a real shame the last game held at pavilions was spoilled by an idiot But over a one off incident that could have happened with any club I don't think it would be right or fair. Yes if this was the third or fourth time it happened here or if it was similar to the famous Malice in the Palace NBA game of 2004 I would agree. But since the situation hardly sky rocketed out of control and the culprit was caught and Rob is alright I don't think the League needs to take any further action with this. I watched a great Netflix Documentary on the Malice in the Palace Documentary last year if anyone wants to see what I mean. Probably one of the worst fan crowds in history of sport. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Malice_at_the_PalaceI understand your reasoning mate but if there is no sanctions it'll happen again. When something like this has happened in the past it usually ends in a point deduction so will be interesting to see if the pats start with one. Leicester have understood how to be the bad guys of the leagues with the way they egg on the crowds and I'm all for it, Connor become one of my favourite players after his antics last time. The documentary you mention totally changed my opinion on the whole thing. Meta was seriously ill and needed help and didn't get it, he got poor coaching which led to an incident |
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Post by A tall man on May 1, 2022 6:36:54 GMT
Mile high is almost right, I just don't agree with a fine I think it'll be point deduction.
All bags are checked before you enter pavilions, no lids on bottles allowed etc. A steward stands near to where it happens but if you watxh the video it looks like it's pointless monkey who rushes to help first, kudos to him! That's not his role, it's pavilions job
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Post by milehigh on May 1, 2022 6:57:27 GMT
With a ten team league, unless a points deduction is for a significant number of points, it has little to no effect on the guity organisation.
Looking at the table for the 21/22 season, to effect Plymouth the minimum points penalty needed would be 6 points.
As well as a fine I make offending club play a number of games without spectators, as an example to other clubs of the consequences of allowing spectators to attack participants.
The incident on Friday is unforgiveable and should never be allowed to be repeated.
I ask again, for those not wanting any penaly imposed on Plymouth and the venue, would you say the same if the victim was left with life changing injuries or was dead?
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Post by massiveridersfan on May 1, 2022 7:36:31 GMT
With a ten team league, unless a points deduction is for a significant number of points, it has little to no effect on the guity organisation. Looking at the table for the 21/22 season, to effect Plymouth the minimum points penalty needed would be 6 points. As well as a fine I make offending club play a number of games without spectators, as an example to other clubs of the consequences of allowing spectators to attack participants. The incident on Friday is unforgiveable and should never be allowed to be repeated. I ask again, for those not wanting any penaly imposed on Plymouth and the venue, would you say the same if the victim was left with life changing injuries or was dead? Mate, if a player kills an opposition player or causes him to be hospitalised and put in an induced coma it's fair game and all part of sport's rough and tumble. |
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Post by milehigh on May 1, 2022 7:55:23 GMT
We are talking about a spectator attacking a participant, not something between players, although there have been cases where there has been legal action when the guilty party was found to have acted recklessly.
Do people here not remember the incident when Monica Seles was stabbed by a spectator, it effectively ended her career as a top level, grand slam tournament winning, player.
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Post by massiveridersfan on May 1, 2022 9:16:39 GMT
We are talking about a spectator attacking a participant, not something between players, although there have been cases where there has been legal action when the guilty party was found to have acted recklessly. Do people here not remember the incident when Monica Seles was stabbed by a spectator, it effectively ended her career as a top level, grand slam tournament winning, player. Yes, but clubs cannot afford massively expensive security (as stated earlier) in case a psychopath decides to kill someone. It has never happened before in all the years that I have watched basketball. Let's not get things out of proportion. |
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Post by spacejammer on May 1, 2022 9:27:02 GMT
Wow this conversation has escalated from a coach being attacked by one fan to what would happen if fans kill a coach or player?
Again unless the Pats organisation had somehow planned this to happen on purpose which I think is unlikely I think further action would be over the top.
I can agree with them paying for an investigation and the fan being penalised.
And had he seriously injured or god forbid murdered Rob I'd be more routing the person responsible to be punished heavily by the law.
If it gets to a point where this is the 3rd or 4th incident in the league of this manor I would start getting concerned.
So long as we don't become like some European club and starting having to shelter rival teams under bullet proof bus shelters at games.
I think this will he reviewed and then forgotten soon enough come the next round.
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Post by SamH on May 1, 2022 10:49:35 GMT
So the question is what are Leicester doing to guarantee the same thing can't happen in the return leg?
Considering places like the Houses of Parliament and Buckingham palace have experienced security breaches in the past, it's going to be something very impressive for Morningside to guarantee with 100% certainty nothing will happen.
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Post by massiveridersfan on May 1, 2022 11:07:08 GMT
The only guarantee I want is Riders to progress to the semifinal stage!
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Post by A tall man on May 1, 2022 11:27:39 GMT
It's not the first time it's happened in Plymouth, you should all be safe for 22 years
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Post by milehigh on May 1, 2022 13:34:15 GMT
I'd expect the stewards at the area to be even more vigilant than usual, probably with an extra keen focus on the visiting supporters.
Apart from death & taxes, nothing is 100% certain!
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Post by Stephen Abootman on May 1, 2022 14:40:12 GMT
Unless there's more to this than was discernible from the stream, calling what happened an 'attack' seems like quite a stretch. A guy in a hoodie appears from the right of the camera, walks over to the railing directly behind the Riders bench, throws/drops something on to Rob then legs it. Impossible to tell exactly what it was but a couple of half full plastic cups would seem likely, particularly given the wording in Patriots club statement. Rob's immediate reaction was to turn around and hold out his arms as if to say 'wtf'? Going to the ground was a bit of a delayed response and I think it's very unlikely he was seriously hurt. He stayed out there and coached the remainder of the game, did he not?
None of this is intended to excuse the fan in question. He's an idiot who should be identified and banned from attending games, at Pavilions or elsewhere. But unless I'm completely wrong about what was thrown, his actions were more classless/pathetic than they were dangerous.
Don't think the club should be penalised. It's true that this could easily happen at most, if not all BBL venues. I'm sure all Riders fans have walked within a few feet of the team benches on countless occasions at Morningside. And I'm sure many will have literally brushed shoulders with players/coaches/officials in corridors/lobby areas. Fans at BBL venues can get much closer to players/coaches/officials than they could easily do at say, a professional football game. And I don't think I've ever attended a BBL fixture where there have been strong security measures in place to protect these people from a potential idiot or two in the crowd. Seems unfair to punish Patriots for 'failing' in a way that probably every other club in the league is also failing.
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