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Post by topcata on Apr 20, 2022 21:09:38 GMT
Was having a chat earlier - anyone else think (Riders apart who have been imperious) that the BBL is weaker now than for many many years?
Real lack of quality and even perhaps lack of good coaching?
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Post by irf on Apr 20, 2022 21:39:28 GMT
Was having a chat earlier - anyone else think (Riders apart who have been imperious) that the BBL is weaker now than for many many years? Real lack of quality and even perhaps lack of good coaching? Eagles squad has similar players to previous seasons yet struggling to make playoffs Is it possible Riders are just a couple of levels above and the other teams just cancelling each other out? What's noticeable this season is there's no clear runners up to the league winners In the past we've had two or even three teams clearly better than the rest Now it's one great team but the rest all very similar (apart from Surrey) Ps I was going to agree at first until I considered how poorly Eagles have done with some proven players etc |
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Post by A tall man on Apr 20, 2022 21:48:46 GMT
Theres been a massive drop off talent wise, wonder if covid has affected it
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Post by irf on Apr 20, 2022 21:50:13 GMT
Theres been a massive drop off talent wise, wonder if covid has affected it Yet I feel we've got the strongest squad we've ever had? |
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Post by dandayr on Apr 20, 2022 21:50:44 GMT
Was having a chat earlier - anyone else think (Riders apart who have been imperious) that the BBL is weaker now than for many many years? Real lack of quality and even perhaps lack of good coaching? nope |
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Post by irf on Apr 20, 2022 21:52:14 GMT
Lions and Eagles have performed very badly this season
But are their squads noticeably worse than before in terms of talent?
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Post by spacejammer on Apr 20, 2022 22:31:52 GMT
I would disagree and say the BBL on stronger expect the Leicester Riders are exceptionally stronger now.
Alot of teams have up'd their games and have produced better benches then when I first started watching.
In my first season as an Eagles fan only Riders, Wolves and occasionally Sheffield or Plymouth would give us a hard fight.
Then every other game would be a comfortable 20-30 point win.
Where as now any team can turn up and give us a fight and guys coming of the bench can be just as tough as the starters.
Plus some teams have gotten better set ups now like state of the site arenas.
Yes it's nothing like the 90's BBL but if you take Leicester and Surrey out the equation it's competitive everywhere else and anyone can beat anyone.
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Post by SamH on Apr 21, 2022 0:25:10 GMT
I wonder if the small number of teams is an issue. Familiarity breeds contempt as they say. Perhaps playing the same teams too many times means it's less inspiring for the players. If the BBL could get to 13 or 14 teams like it used to be, it might be more competitive and playing a wider range of opponents means more opportunity to see a couple more teams rising to the top and keeping the gap closer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 5:25:32 GMT
I’m only a new fan so have no idea, but when I joined Whatsbev I remember seeing people say the BBL was stronger than it has been for quite a while ha
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Post by irf on Apr 21, 2022 6:19:26 GMT
Would the Lions squad not be the relatively most expensive and (on paper) talented BBL squad put together for many many years?
We can say they have been badly coached
However, they had Vince til mid January and he's coached successful Lions teams before? Yet still they didn't dominate other BBL teams with him in charge. He struggled
Lions seem to have got a lot worse since Vince left them though for sure?
So was the general BBL opposition tougher for them to overcome
And Riders squad just too good a team for them despite the outlay and talent at Lions
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Post by A tall man on Apr 21, 2022 6:43:32 GMT
On paper at the start it looked stronger but teams have just not replaced injured players which had weakened the league. That being said Leicester aside its been quite competitive for the rest
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Post by jumbo on Apr 21, 2022 9:49:44 GMT
Mentioned it on another thread but I genuinely think the league is stronger than previous years. Think the level of British/non import players is higher. Plus a number of guys who have either played high level or put up big numbers in college.
Think things are slightly distorted by how good Riders have been. But then look at their side. Their bench includes 2 guys who have come in from fairly big roles in teams playing LEB gold, one of which was close to a 20ppg scorer in college, a backup PG who is on the fringes of the GB set up, and a big guy who averaged 19 and 9 the last time he played in the league with two working legs. Its one of the best teams we've seen in years.
A team with the talent of Newcastle would likely have been top 4 in most previous years despite the obvious roster imbalance and injuries they've had. The fact that they are 2nd bottom shows that a bunch of talented players isn't enough any more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2022 20:09:32 GMT
Thought this was worth posting as it is relevant to the discussion about just how far riders are ahead of everybody else
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Post by blueskies99 on Apr 21, 2022 20:24:30 GMT
Thought this was worth posting as it is relevant to the discussion about just how far riders are ahead of everybody else Was that when we won the league?  |
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Post by irf on Apr 21, 2022 21:40:03 GMT
Thought this was worth posting as it is relevant to the discussion about just how far riders are ahead of everybody else Incredible stat - Rob loves his timeouts as well But I guess we don't want to give other teams a chance to catch their breath against us! Backs up other stats that we are breaking records for winning the league by the most points and for the average winning points margin per game as well |
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Post by D44 on Apr 22, 2022 3:26:39 GMT
I could be wrong as player contracts aren't public knowledge but most good teams now (so I'm excluding Surrey and Eagles) seem to have 7 or 8 full time proffesionals. It's not like a few years ago when you'd have maybe 2 or 3 full time imports, 1 or 2 imports in on scholarships, then the rest of the bench made up of locally based kids and part timers.
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Post by twofawkes on Apr 22, 2022 10:47:40 GMT
Strange, I've thought the opposite this year, the standard of basketball has been very good and the league has been really competitive (1st and 11th aside). Been hard to call any game between the other 9 teams for much of the season, with a decent standard for much of it. Far better than previous years when you could make predictions in September and be pretty accurate with how the final standings would finish!
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Post by isthaturinal on Apr 22, 2022 15:38:18 GMT
Thought this was worth posting as it is relevant to the discussion about just how far riders are ahead of everybody else Was that when we won the league?  No that was Vs Plymouth 6th April when we notched up 35 consecutive victories |
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Post by stevetino on Apr 22, 2022 16:49:49 GMT
Lions and Eagles have performed very badly this season But are their squads noticeably worse than before in terms of talent? In eagles case deffo worse this season, no Cortez edwards, Justin Gordon didn’t come Back initially the big man was replaced within 2 months, Matt Scott never turned up, Peel been underwhelming, etc |
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Post by samgray on Apr 22, 2022 19:50:19 GMT
Watching tonight’s game thinking about this thread. Looked at equivalent teams over the last 15 years position wise to where eagles and rocks are now… the league is in the best place it’s ever been IMO as teams are way more talented and deep than in recent history and more have really solid foundations than they did in the golden days of the 80s/90s (I accept my second part of that is anecdotal!!!)
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