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Post by mac on Oct 27, 2023 19:39:24 GMT
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Post by keithkr on Oct 27, 2023 20:52:36 GMT
Lions didn't run away with it like it threatened. It looked like they just cruised to victory and conserved some energy.
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Post by spacejammer on Oct 27, 2023 21:27:17 GMT
Lions didn't run away with it like it threatened. It looked like they just cruised to victory and conserved some energy. And that to be honest has been the theme of most games I seen for them both tonight and on previous Sky Games. As much as I hate to say it and I know this may sound like sour grapes. But if the league continues like this I can only see it becoming boring very fast for everyone else apart from Lions. Whilst I like some of the changes that 777 have brought in like the best of 3 playoffs and the final 4 tournament. If the games aren't competing and one team is to overly powered then it makes competing seem pointless. Right now being 11-0 they might as well given London the BBL tittle now because unless their is a massive collapse I can't see anyone toppling them. And we're not even halfway through the season or at Christmas yet. Unless everyone or atleast more teams in the league was to suddenly get big money investors then everyone is going to he wanting them gone or requesting some sort financial fair play rule. Because right now it looks like 10 people have gone on a day out at the theme park. Except 9 of those people have only have a Ā£50 budget whilst 1 person has a Ā£250 budget to spend. The other 9 are more likely to go home early while the one person with all the money gets to stay and ride all day. |
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Post by dexter on Oct 28, 2023 0:58:02 GMT
Lions didn't run away with it like it threatened. It looked like they just cruised to victory and conserved some energy. And that to be honest has been the theme of most games I seen for them both tonight and on previous Sky Games. As much as I hate to say it and I know this may sound like sour grapes. But if the league continues like this I can only see it becoming boring very fast for everyone else apart from Lions. Whilst I like some of the changes that 777 have brought in like the best of 3 playoffs and the final 4 tournament. If the games aren't competing and one team is to overly powered then it makes competing seem pointless. Right now being 11-0 they might as well given London the BBL tittle now because unless their is a massive collapse I can't see anyone toppling them. And we're not even halfway through the season or at Christmas yet. Unless everyone or atleast more teams in the league was to suddenly get big money investors then everyone is going to he wanting them gone or requesting some sort financial fair play rule. Because right now it looks like 10 people have gone on a day out at the theme park. Except 9 of those people have only have a Ā£50 budget whilst 1 person has a Ā£250 budget to spend. The other 9 are more likely to go home early while the one person with all the money gets to stay and ride all day. I see this slightly differently. This league is boring for London Lions and exciting for about 6 teams. I say this as someone who would call themselves a London Lions fan. I have no interest in watching uncompetitive sports. I love watching London Lions in EuroCup. With the BBL I pick and choose the games I watch. I very rarely watch London Lions in the BBL. I would rather watch games between teams 2nd to 7th. Of course I will watch Lions in the finals, but for regular season games no, it's boring. |
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Post by keithkr on Oct 28, 2023 5:22:57 GMT
I like watching London, some of the things they do are brilliant to watch. Some games have been quite close, now that may be that London switch off, personally I think not, last night was the only time where I thought they had. Some teams are not too far away from what I've seen, just inconsistent. Winning regularly brings confidence, which London have in abundance, as well as some great players. It's up to others to raise their own standards surely. Not too sure about the funding side of things I don't get into that, just enjoy the game.
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Post by baldeagle on Oct 28, 2023 6:48:05 GMT
I like watching London, some of the things they do are brilliant to watch. Some games have been quite close, now that may be that London switch off, personally I think not, last night was the only time where I thought they had. Some teams are not too far away from what I've seen, just inconsistent. Winning regularly brings confidence, which London have in abundance, as well as some great players. It's up to others to raise their own standards surely. Not too sure about the funding side of things I don't get into that, just enjoy the game. ā¦ā¦ā¦.the āfunding side of thingsā is that Londonās budget exceeds the aggregate budget of all the other British Basketball League teams, Which might explain why Lions are on a different level? Newcastle took them to overtime ten days ago. Iām not surprised that it didnāt happen again. Almost certainly up against the best club team ever seen in the UK (as London should be given their financial position). |
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Post by waltsinger on Oct 28, 2023 7:27:51 GMT
Re spacejammer's point, people's opinions on this will vary depending on what they want from supporting a BBL team. If you really need to feel that your team has to have a shot at winning the league, you'll not be happy with the situation of one wealthy club who will win the league, foregone conclusion.
However, if you follow a BBL team, want to enjoy competitive entertaining close games each week, you can still have this when your team plays anybody other than Lions. As dexter says above.
The situation isn't unique to the BBL. There are many examples in may club sports where one or two wealthy clubs are at the top of the pinnacle and dominate year after year.
What might be interesting in future would be how 777/Lions would react if other BBL clubs got large investment to be able to compete with Lions. Would 777 accept that "their league" might not be won by "their team"?
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Post by keithkr on Oct 28, 2023 7:37:55 GMT
I like watching London, some of the things they do are brilliant to watch. Some games have been quite close, now that may be that London switch off, personally I think not, last night was the only time where I thought they had. Some teams are not too far away from what I've seen, just inconsistent. Winning regularly brings confidence, which London have in abundance, as well as some great players. It's up to others to raise their own standards surely. Not too sure about the funding side of things I don't get into that, just enjoy the game. ā¦ā¦ā¦.the āfunding side of thingsā is that Londonās budget exceeds the aggregate budget of all the other British Basketball League teams, Which might explain why Lions are on a different level? Newcastle took them to overtime ten days ago. Iām not surprised that it didnāt happen again. Almost certainly up against the best club team ever seen in the UK (as London should be given their financial position). Watching last night they said Newcastle were the successful side, isn't it always the case that one side has a purple patch period?. Happens in most sports I would say. If London are getting more funding what do you do, stop it? or hope that having that kind of funding in basketball is a catalyst for more funding to come into the sport. London's time at the top will end, it always does, and it isn't always down to finance, look at football man utd and Chelsea spend billions and are heavily funded, yet a team like Brighton are more than holding their own. Sometimes good set up and coaching etc will shine. I'm not saying this is the case with London, just trying to make a point, probably badly  |
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Post by blueskies99 on Oct 28, 2023 7:41:14 GMT
Re spacejammer's point, people's opinions on this will vary depending on what they want from supporting a BBL team. If you really need to feel that your team has to have a shot at winning the league, you'll not be happy with the situation of one wealthy club who will win the league, foregone conclusion. However, if you follow a BBL team, want to enjoy competitive entertaining close games each week, you can still have this when your team plays anybody other than Lions. As dexter says above. The situation isn't unique to the BBL. There are many examples in may club sports where one or two wealthy clubs are at the top of the pinnacle and dominate year after year. What might be interesting in future would be how 777/Lions would react if other BBL clubs got large investment to be able to compete with Lions. Would 777 accept that "their league" might not be won by "their team"? Not sure who said it butā¦ā¦ā¦ if one team is so far ahead of the rest it ceases to be a competition, itās just a procession.  |
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Post by spacejammer on Oct 28, 2023 7:58:04 GMT
Re spacejammer's point, people's opinions on this will vary depending on what they want from supporting a BBL team. If you really need to feel that your team has to have a shot at winning the league, you'll not be happy with the situation of one wealthy club who will win the league, foregone conclusion. However, if you follow a BBL team, want to enjoy competitive entertaining close games each week, you can still have this when your team plays anybody other than Lions. As dexter says above. The situation isn't unique to the BBL. There are many examples in may club sports where one or two wealthy clubs are at the top of the pinnacle and dominate year after year. What might be interesting in future would be how 777/Lions would react if other BBL clubs got large investment to be able to compete with Lions. Would 777 accept that "their league" might not be won by "their team"? Usually in any other game Eagles fans we would be loud, passionate and if a call went massively wrong against us fans would be up being loud, proud and making some noise. Last night apart from the odd couple of fans who felt the need to make noise most people were just sat there saying "well what's the point?" We can argue and be loud but theirs no way we are topping London. And whilst the arena had quite a big capacity you could see even in certain rows some of the Eagles faithful decided to give the game a miss last night since they knew it wasn't going to be interesting. This is why im concerned that unless some other big money investors come along and make the league even. You might aswell name it the London Lions/777 basketball league. |
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Post by voise on Oct 28, 2023 8:25:05 GMT
The situation isn't unique to the BBL. There are many examples in may club sports where one or two wealthy clubs are at the top of the pinnacle and dominate year after year. I think in the UK our diet of bbl and the NBA gives us a very 'egalitarian / meritocratic' story of success in basketball. I agree with Waltsinger - the evidence from a lot of the top European basketball leagues shows complete and utter dominance by one or two teams over a long period. This is a breakdown of league champions: Spain 11 of last 13 seasons - Real Madrid or Barcelona Italy 3 of last 5 seasons - Milan Greece 16 of last 20 seasons - Panathanaikos Lithuania 11 of last 12 seasons - Zalgiris Serbia last 8 years - Red Star I can't comment on budgets, season records etc but in most commercially 'successful' leagues there is generally going to be a natural dominance by one or two teams. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but it's the way the world currently is. |
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Post by erj14 on Oct 28, 2023 9:29:12 GMT
ā¦ā¦ā¦.the āfunding side of thingsā is that Londonās budget exceeds the aggregate budget of all the other British Basketball League teams, Which might explain why Lions are on a different level? Newcastle took them to overtime ten days ago. Iām not surprised that it didnāt happen again. Almost certainly up against the best club team ever seen in the UK (as London should be given their financial position). Watching last night they said Newcastle were the successful side, isn't it always the case that one side has a purple patch period?. Happens in most sports I would say. If London are getting more funding what do you do, stop it? or hope that having that kind of funding in basketball is a catalyst for more funding to come into the sport. London's time at the top will end, it always does, and it isn't always down to finance, look at football man utd and Chelsea spend billions and are heavily funded, yet a team like Brighton are more than holding their own. Sometimes good set up and coaching etc will shine. I'm not saying this is the case with London, just trying to make a point, probably badly The problem is, London's dominance will come to an end in the next 5 years (probably less) when they go bust. What they're doing isn't sustainable and it's being financed by a bunch of crooks who are clutching at straws to stay afloat. |
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Post by erj14 on Oct 28, 2023 9:33:28 GMT
I like watching London, some of the things they do are brilliant to watch. Some games have been quite close, now that may be that London switch off, personally I think not, last night was the only time where I thought they had. Some teams are not too far away from what I've seen, just inconsistent. Winning regularly brings confidence, which London have in abundance, as well as some great players. It's up to others to raise their own standards surely. Not too sure about the funding side of things I don't get into that, just enjoy the game. Other teams 'raising their standards' is directly related to finances though. I'd rather take the 4 poundings a season from London than see my team try and secure the dodgy funding London have at their disposal. At least I know I'll still have a club to support/make a difference in the community in 10 years time, where there probably won't be a Lions club in that time. Hope it's all worth it for the vanity project. |
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Post by dexter on Oct 28, 2023 10:10:45 GMT
My opinion on this has changed a lot in the last year. I don't have a local BBL team and I support London Lions in EuroCup. I visit family on the Wirral a few times a year. Last year I thought it would be fun to time my visit with Cheshire Phoenix Vs London Lions to see Sam Decker playing up close (this didn't happen it was just an idea). This year if I was going to try to fit in a BBL game in Ellesmere Port I can think of 6 other fixtures I would rather watch. 1 Sam Decker is fun. A team of Sam Deckers is ridiculous and not fun.
It would be better if there was a European Super League so London Lions could play in that instead of the BBL, or if they had a development team in the BBL.
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Post by sporty7 on Oct 28, 2023 19:53:02 GMT
Watching last night they said Newcastle were the successful side, isn't it always the case that one side has a purple patch period?. Happens in most sports I would say. If London are getting more funding what do you do, stop it? or hope that having that kind of funding in basketball is a catalyst for more funding to come into the sport. London's time at the top will end, it always does, and it isn't always down to finance, look at football man utd and Chelsea spend billions and are heavily funded, yet a team like Brighton are more than holding their own. Sometimes good set up and coaching etc will shine. I'm not saying this is the case with London, just trying to make a point, probably badly The problem is, London's dominance will come to an end in the next 5 years (probably less) when they go bust. What they're doing isn't sustainable and it's being financed by a bunch of crooks who are clutching at straws to stay afloat. |
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Post by sporty7 on Oct 28, 2023 19:54:54 GMT
I can't see how 777 can get their money back tbh. I'm glad I don't put my money with 777. No league sponsor so doesnt that mean its not all positive for the league?
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Post by mac on Oct 29, 2023 1:36:40 GMT
Some very good points there. The clock is ticking on 777 and it gives me no pleasure to write that. It's rumoured that the PL have canned their attempt to takeover Everton. Court cases are ongoing in the States and I think it's just a matter of time before the house of cards collapses. Administration gives the other teams a problem. 777's assets including the BBL would be up for grabs. Control of Lions and the BBL could be had for a song. We could be no further forward as a league even if Lions are screwed.
My solution, I'll start the bidding, Ā£1. š¤£
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Post by baldereagle on Oct 29, 2023 8:00:51 GMT
I can see the Saudis moving in on this - theyāve already knckered golf and football, so why not Bball ?
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Post by spacejammer on Oct 29, 2023 9:09:10 GMT
I can see the Saudis moving in on this - theyāve already knckered golf and football, so why not Bball ? I'm not sure if the Saudis would be intrested in the British Basketball League. Maybe the NBA but unlike owning a Premier League Football club it probably isn't the same. And if the ships sinks for 777 I'd like to think the league would be a lot more cautious to whoever signs on next. If teams are unhappy with 777 and the chairman of the league I wonder if all the teams that are unhappy don't just pull away and set up their own league like a BBL independent? Risky I know but it would it would make the league competitive and even again. |
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Post by irf on Oct 29, 2023 9:11:37 GMT
Some very good points there. The clock is ticking on 777 and it gives me no pleasure to write that. It's rumoured that the PL have canned their attempt to takeover Everton. Court cases are ongoing in the States and I think it's just a matter of time before the house of cards collapses. Administration gives the other teams a problem. 777's assets including the BBL would be up for grabs. Control of Lions and the BBL could be had for a song. We could be no further forward as a league even if Lions are screwed. My solution, I'll start the bidding, Ā£1. š¤£ Be careful what you wish for Mac Paying the Lions wagebill every week wont be cheap!! |
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