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Post by foxtrot27 on Mar 30, 2024 13:35:16 GMT
Very interesting, thanks. So if the rumours about London’s budget are correct I’d say Paris Basketball have a similar salary budget. And shows how far away the rest of the BBL is in comparison to other European leagues - the French league is probably not in the top 3 either. It’s almost comical if it wasn’t so sad. There was a time when the UK had a real chance back in 2012 and when the NBA were actively trying to help. Now they’ve buggered off to France and the whole country is experiencing a tremendous amount of attention. We had Luol and Pops even. Now we have 777 and we are hoping that now is the time for British basketball. Sad situation and a wasted opportunity if I’m honest. |
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Post by LTfan on Mar 30, 2024 13:37:56 GMT
Very interesting, thanks. So if the rumours about London’s budget are correct I’d say Paris Basketball have a similar salary budget. And shows how far away the rest of the BBL is in comparison to other European leagues - the French league is probably not in the top 3 either. Although Monaco and LDLC Asvel do play in the Euroleague, and I think we all know everyone except London are miles off of being Euroleague standard so no big surprise there really. |
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Post by cosbyrider on Mar 31, 2024 6:20:38 GMT
Will have to spend another £10 million to make it work Does anyone know the kind of budget Paris Basketball are operating with? In terms of salaries, on paper, it looks like London are probably spending more than Paris… yet Paris have a better team on court. So should London really need to ‘spend another £10M to make it work’? Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong, but I’d have thought London’s current budget should be sufficient for EuroCup success - not that this season hasn’t been a success, but at least in terms of Paris they’ve been easily outperformed by a team with a similar (or smaller?) budget… so should another £10M really need be the answer? It’s me being naughty suggesting Lions’ answer to everything is to just double down on budget. I think it’s a net positive for British basketball this European run. But I don’t necessarily agree with comments that this is anything special. Lions budget surpasses 75% of teams in this competition. |
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Post by dexter on Apr 3, 2024 21:53:33 GMT
This evening JL Bourg thrashed Besiktas 89-63, in game 3, so it's an all France final.
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Post by jt on Apr 3, 2024 21:58:07 GMT
This evening JL Bourg thrashed Besiktas 89-63, in game 3, so it's an all France final. It should be an interesting one, Paris are 2nd and Bourg 4th in the French league with 1 win between them. I'll be cheering on Bourg! |
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Post by LTfan on Apr 9, 2024 11:10:00 GMT
For those still interested...
Paris v Bourg Final Game 1 is tonight.
Live on TNT Sports and Euroleague TV.
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Post by LTfan on Apr 10, 2024 8:10:36 GMT
Paris win Game 1 - 77-64.
Game 2 is on Friday night.
Elsewhere, Paris star TJ Shorts has been named EuroCup regular season MVP - which will probably surprise know one.
And London Lions have had 2 players named in the All EuroCup First Team - Matt Morgan and Gabe Olaseni. That's impressive - 2 of the best 5 players in the entire competition are from London Lions.
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Post by jt on Apr 10, 2024 13:50:21 GMT
Paris win Game 1 - 77-64. Game 2 is on Friday night. Elsewhere, Paris star TJ Shorts has been named EuroCup regular season MVP - which will probably surprise know one. And London Lions have had 2 players named in the All EuroCup First Team - Matt Morgan and Gabe Olaseni. That's impressive - 2 of the best 5 players in the entire competition are from London Lions. It was a complete domination from Paris yesterday, Lions definitely put up a better fight. Although Paris are clearly the best team in the tournament |
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Post by LTfan on Apr 10, 2024 14:51:29 GMT
Paris win Game 1 - 77-64. Game 2 is on Friday night. Elsewhere, Paris star TJ Shorts has been named EuroCup regular season MVP - which will probably surprise know one. And London Lions have had 2 players named in the All EuroCup First Team - Matt Morgan and Gabe Olaseni. That's impressive - 2 of the best 5 players in the entire competition are from London Lions. It was a complete domination from Paris yesterday, Lions definitely put up a better fight. Although Paris are clearly the best team in the tournament I agree, I think London could have beaten Bourg over a 3 game series. But beating Paris was just asking too much. TJ Shorts fully deserves the MVP... and to think he received no Division I scholarship offers so had to opt for a junior college. |
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Post by eillo23 on Apr 15, 2024 18:05:56 GMT
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Post by cosbyrider on Apr 16, 2024 7:11:52 GMT
All systems go on Paris joining the EuroLeague it appears too
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Post by eagles18000 on Apr 16, 2024 10:11:50 GMT
Londons playing payroll this year will be significantly more than £2.5m (not sure what the overall budget would be mind)
monaco and asvel are euroleague teams
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Post by spacejammer on Apr 16, 2024 21:23:48 GMT
I really enjoyed both pods as well and one thing that suprised me on the recent one with Brett Burman was how Lions budget is ridiculous compared to the rest of the BBL and miniscule compared to the teams they are facing in Eurocup. When I heard that I thought to myself "huh never really thought of it like that". And it made me think about if what they have is small for Eurocup level exactly how much more would it take for Lions to play in the Euroleague level and if they did how would that translate alongside the BBL. I think it that is the case then for BBL clubs in general competitions like the ENBL and BCL Champions league are going to be the only realistic gateways for clubs to participate in Europe for a long time. I definitely think if the Lions and the 777 situation was to collapse then we won't see another BBL team at Eurocup level for atleast another decade. I think the best hope if that did happen would be for the Eurocup community to miss Lions and a London Team so much they try desperately to find some way of bringing them back into it. Like what they did with that team a few years ago which was an Irish league All Star team. |
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Post by dexter on Apr 16, 2024 21:57:06 GMT
I really enjoyed both pods as well and one thing that suprised me on the recent one with Brett Burman was how Lions budget is ridiculous compared to the rest of the BBL and miniscule compared to the teams they are facing in Eurocup. When I heard that I thought to myself "huh never really thought of it like that". And it made me think about if what they have is small for Eurocup level exactly how much more would it take for Lions to play in the Euroleague level and if they did how would that translate alongside the BBL. I think it that is the case then for BBL clubs in general competitions like the ENBL and BCL Champions league are going to be the only realistic gateways for clubs to participate in Europe for a long time. I definitely think if the Lions and the 777 situation was to collapse then we won't see another BBL team at Eurocup level for atleast another decade. I think the best hope if that did happen would be for the Eurocup community to miss Lions and a London Team so much they try desperately to find some way of bringing them back into it. Like what they did with that team a few years ago which was an Irish league All Star team. There are advanced plans to merge EuroCup and Basketball Champions League. This will make it a bigger, more marketable league. I don't know what the format would be but possibly something similar to the NBA. If it's true London Lions have quite a modest budget compared to other EuroCup teams then there is a strong argument to stay in this league. Euroleague budgets are much bigger and probably less sustainable for London Lions. Being one of the best teams in a new EuroCup might be preferable to being a struggling team in Euroleague. |
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Post by spacejammer on Apr 17, 2024 7:26:54 GMT
I really enjoyed both pods as well and one thing that suprised me on the recent one with Brett Burman was how Lions budget is ridiculous compared to the rest of the BBL and miniscule compared to the teams they are facing in Eurocup. When I heard that I thought to myself "huh never really thought of it like that". And it made me think about if what they have is small for Eurocup level exactly how much more would it take for Lions to play in the Euroleague level and if they did how would that translate alongside the BBL. I think it that is the case then for BBL clubs in general competitions like the ENBL and BCL Champions league are going to be the only realistic gateways for clubs to participate in Europe for a long time. I definitely think if the Lions and the 777 situation was to collapse then we won't see another BBL team at Eurocup level for atleast another decade. I think the best hope if that did happen would be for the Eurocup community to miss Lions and a London Team so much they try desperately to find some way of bringing them back into it. Like what they did with that team a few years ago which was an Irish league All Star team. There are advanced plans to merge EuroCup and Basketball Champions League. This will make it a bigger, more marketable league. I don't know what the format would be but possibly something similar to the NBA. If it's true London Lions have quite a modest budget compared to other EuroCup teams then there is a strong argument to stay in this league. Euroleague budgets are much bigger and probably less sustainable for London Lions. Being one of the best teams in a new EuroCup might be preferable to being a struggling team in Euroleague. But isn't the standard between EuroCup and BCL massively different? To be honest I haven't really watched a BCL game but when I compare the London Lions squad the season with Liggins, Reese and Kelly compared to the squad they got now. I mean Lions were still good but they weren't as strong or unbeatable as what they are now with their Eurocup level squads. Although that being said that squad lost their motivation once they went out of Europe. |
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Post by dexter on Apr 17, 2024 8:07:26 GMT
There are advanced plans to merge EuroCup and Basketball Champions League. This will make it a bigger, more marketable league. I don't know what the format would be but possibly something similar to the NBA. If it's true London Lions have quite a modest budget compared to other EuroCup teams then there is a strong argument to stay in this league. Euroleague budgets are much bigger and probably less sustainable for London Lions. Being one of the best teams in a new EuroCup might be preferable to being a struggling team in Euroleague. But isn't the standard between EuroCup and BCL massively different? To be honest I haven't really watched a BCL game but when I compare the London Lions squad the season with Liggins, Reese and Kelly compared to the squad they got now. I mean Lions were still good but they weren't as strong or unbeatable as what they are now with their Eurocup level squads. Although that being said that squad lost their motivation once they went out of Europe. No it's the same standard. The proposed new league is 36 teams (I have no idea what the format would be), so it would be the best 16 teams from the BCL. The quarter finalists in BCL this year are all from Spain, Greece, Turkey and Germany. These are the same standard as the teams in EuroCup. Some teams like Tenerife just prefer BCL to EuroCup. EuroCup is probably harder to win because in recent years there's been a big budget French team trying to get into Euroleague. |
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Post by LTfan on Apr 17, 2024 11:09:41 GMT
There are advanced plans to merge EuroCup and Basketball Champions League. This will make it a bigger, more marketable league. I don't know what the format would be but possibly something similar to the NBA. If it's true London Lions have quite a modest budget compared to other EuroCup teams then there is a strong argument to stay in this league. Euroleague budgets are much bigger and probably less sustainable for London Lions. Being one of the best teams in a new EuroCup might be preferable to being a struggling team in Euroleague. But isn't the standard between EuroCup and BCL massively different? To be honest I haven't really watched a BCL game but when I compare the London Lions squad the season with Liggins, Reese and Kelly compared to the squad they got now. I mean Lions were still good but they weren't as strong or unbeatable as what they are now with their Eurocup level squads. Although that being said that squad lost their motivation once they went out of Europe. I think you're confusing the FIBA Basketball Champions League with the FIBA Europe Cup. In terms of European competition - EuroLeague is top tier, EuroCup and FIBA Basketball Champions League are about level on the tier below that, and then FIBA Europe Cup is the tier below that. Then you've got the smaller competitions like the ENBL. |
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Post by LTfan on Apr 17, 2024 11:18:57 GMT
I really enjoyed both pods as well and one thing that suprised me on the recent one with Brett Burman was how Lions budget is ridiculous compared to the rest of the BBL and miniscule compared to the teams they are facing in Eurocup. When I heard that I thought to myself "huh never really thought of it like that". And it made me think about if what they have is small for Eurocup level exactly how much more would it take for Lions to play in the Euroleague level and if they did how would that translate alongside the BBL. Well, EuroLeage teams Monaco and Asvel have payroll budgets of 13M euros and 7.2M euros respectively. And EuroCup teams Paris and JL Bourg have payroll budgets of 2.8M euros and 2.1M euros respectively. So that gives you some indication of what you should be comparing London's rumoured payroll budget to. I've used French teams as examples just because they're so transparent when it comes to budget. Also it should noted that total budgets are 27.5M (Monaco), 21M (Asvel), 9.2M (Paris) and 7.3M (JL Bourg). |
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Post by cosbyrider on Apr 17, 2024 11:54:16 GMT
Thanks for the Paul Blake recommendation. Enjoyed that pod. Particularly given it was an example of how Lions have pushed on others
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