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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on May 15, 2023 6:28:20 GMT
It's a shame the non BBL sides are being locked out of the Trophy.
Well, I mean the English sides as they seem to keep things close whereas the Scottish & Welsh have been battered. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't a non BBL team make the Final one year?
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Post by spacejammer on May 15, 2023 7:37:32 GMT
It's a shame the non BBL sides are being locked out of the Trophy. Well, I mean the English sides as they seem to keep things close whereas the Scottish & Welsh have been battered. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't a non BBL team make the Final one year? Yes Solent Kestrels 3 years ago in the 2020 final just before Covid shut down the rest of the season. The ran a shorthanded Newcastle Eagles all the way to overtime and lost 86-84 in the end. It's probably in my top 5 Eagles games I have witnessed as it was like watching the flim Rocky but in Basketball form. It's ashame they have decided to get rid of a meaningful competition and replace it with an all stat game that is nothing more then a gimic. The Trophy Groups thing sounds like what people weren't a fan of with the Cup a few seasons ago where people said it was a basically a pre season. Unless they go for only the top 2 teams go through to which in that case it would be a lot more competitive. |
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Post by dexter on May 15, 2023 9:49:10 GMT
It's a shame the non BBL sides are being locked out of the Trophy. Well, I mean the English sides as they seem to keep things close whereas the Scottish & Welsh have been battered. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't a non BBL team make the Final one year? Yes Solent Kestrels 3 years ago in the 2020 final just before Covid shut down the rest of the season. The ran a shorthanded Newcastle Eagles all the way to overtime and lost 86-84 in the end. It's probably in my top 5 Eagles games I have witnessed as it was like watching the flim Rocky but in Basketball form. It's ashame they have decided to get rid of a meaningful competition and replace it with an all stat game that is nothing more then a gimic. The Trophy Groups thing sounds like what people weren't a fan of with the Cup a few seasons ago where people said it was a basically a pre season. Unless they go for only the top 2 teams go through to which in that case it would be a lot more competitive. If it is played at the start of the season it does work pretty well as a pre season. |
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Post by LTfan on May 15, 2023 10:20:36 GMT
All Star Game probably going to be Copper Box. Great way to alienate northern fans there 777 Was that actually said, or are you guessing? The Copper Box Arena makes sense in that it's a modern arena, with probably about the right capacity (6,000) for an All-Star Game, and is considerably cheaper than a lot of other possible arenas (e.g. it's a fraction of the cost of the O2). Having said that, I totally accept it's not very 'central' from a national perspective. Of course, living only an hour or so away, I wouldn't be complaining.  |
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Post by dandayr on May 15, 2023 12:32:41 GMT
It's a shame the non BBL sides are being locked out of the Trophy. Well, I mean the English sides as they seem to keep things close whereas the Scottish & Welsh have been battered. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't a non BBL team make the Final one year? Yes Solent Kestrels 3 years ago in the 2020 final just before Covid shut down the rest of the season. The ran a shorthanded Newcastle Eagles all the way to overtime and lost 86-84 in the end. It's probably in my top 5 Eagles games I have witnessed as it was like watching the flim Rocky but in Basketball form. It's ashame they have decided to get rid of a meaningful competition and replace it with an all stat game that is nothing more then a gimic. The Trophy Groups thing sounds like what people weren't a fan of with the Cup a few seasons ago where people said it was a basically a pre season. Unless they go for only the top 2 teams go through to which in that case it would be a lot more competitive. They have solved the issues you said folk didnt like - its not going to be like preseason, cause it will be played in January in a spell when no lge games occur. The teams will be a random draw to the two groups of 5 - not preseeded based on prior season placings as has sometimes been done with either trophy or cup or maybe both) and it is only 2 teams that will exit the groups into semi-finals. |
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Post by dexter on May 15, 2023 12:39:54 GMT
The British Basketball All Star will be in March but that’s all we know. No venue or format announced.
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Post by sonjel on May 15, 2023 13:08:31 GMT
What about the BBL Cup is that staying then or is it being scrapped? BBL Cup has been scrapped. But the BBL Trophy will be more similar to the BBL Cup because it’s only for BBL teams and the final will be in Birmingham. Shame. Although Birmingham is closer for us, I always enjoyed the trip to Glasgow for the final (when we were in it of course!) |
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Post by LTfan on May 15, 2023 13:33:59 GMT
The British Basketball All Star will be in March but that’s all we know. No venue or format announced. Re: the All Star Game... what does 'ELAM ending in 4 Quarter' mean, as quoted in the BBL press release? |
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Post by markb on May 15, 2023 13:35:55 GMT
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Post by LTfan on May 15, 2023 14:06:14 GMT
Ah, so no clock in the 4th quarter, instead playing to reach a target score (like the new NBA All-Star Game rules). I'm familiar with the format, just never seen it referred to as 'ELAM' before. Thanks. |
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Post by LTfan on May 15, 2023 14:45:46 GMT
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Post by dexter on May 15, 2023 16:18:54 GMT
Ah, so no clock in the 4th quarter, instead playing to reach a target score (like the new NBA All-Star Game rules). I'm familiar with the format, just never seen it referred to as 'ELAM' before. Thanks. I have never heard of this but I like the sound of it. I believe the number one thing that puts British sports fans off basketball is how long the last couple of minutes of the final quarter can drag on for. |
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Post by cosbyrider on May 15, 2023 23:17:47 GMT
All Star Game probably going to be Copper Box. Great way to alienate northern fans there 777 Was that actually said, or are you guessing? The Copper Box Arena makes sense in that it's a modern arena, with probably about the right capacity (6,000) for an All-Star Game, and is considerably cheaper than a lot of other possible arenas (e.g. it's a fraction of the cost of the O2). Having said that, I totally accept it's not very 'central' from a national perspective. Of course, living only an hour or so away, I wouldn't be complaining. |
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Post by dexter on May 15, 2023 23:25:49 GMT
Makes sense to have the All Stars game at the Copper Box. It’s a low risk strategy.
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Post by cosbyrider on May 16, 2023 16:53:07 GMT
Makes sense to have the All Stars game at the Copper Box. It’s a low risk strategy. It also means no major event north of Birmingham when you have four teams located above it. |
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Post by dexter on May 16, 2023 17:53:46 GMT
Makes sense to have the All Stars game at the Copper Box. It’s a low risk strategy. It also means no major event north of Birmingham when you have four teams located above it. 6 above it. Gladiators, Eagles, Giants, Phoenix, Sharks, Riders. Unless your map is upside down. Only Flyers, Patriots, Lions and Scorchers are to the south of Birmingham. |
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Post by LTfan on May 16, 2023 18:20:39 GMT
Would holding the All Star Game in London really be any worse than holding it in Glasgow? I’m going to sound like a right Southerner here, but I always felt Glasgow was too far north… did many Northern fans really make the journey up there unless their team was in the game? So would this really be a step backwards? Or is the argument that London/Birmingham/Glasgow wasn’t right either, and maybe the All Star Game should be in a new location, like Manchester or Sheffield? Not that it matters. None of us are going to the All Star Game anyway, right?  |
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Post by dexter on May 16, 2023 19:44:54 GMT
Would holding the All Star Game in London really be any worse than holding it in Glasgow? I’m going to sound like a right Southerner here, but I always felt Glasgow was too far north… did many Northern fans really make the journey up there unless their team was in the game? So would this really be a step backwards? Or is the argument that London/Birmingham/Glasgow wasn’t right either, and maybe the All Star Game should be in a new location, like Manchester or Sheffield? Not that it matters. None of us are going to the All Star Game anyway, right? I don’t think I’ll go to it, but discussing who should be in those teams is exactly the sort of thing we’ll enjoy doing on here next season. |
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Post by cosbyrider on May 16, 2023 20:03:52 GMT
It also means no major event north of Birmingham when you have four teams located above it. 6 above it. Gladiators, Eagles, Giants, Phoenix, Sharks, Riders. Unless your map is upside down. Only Flyers, Patriots, Lions and Scorchers are to the south of Birmingham. Which makes my point stronger - you have the bulk of support in the north but you have your main events in Birmingham and London. And for a fledging event you need your existing support to turn up and anchor the crowd numbers. |
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Post by cosbyrider on May 16, 2023 20:08:02 GMT
Would holding the All Star Game in London really be any worse than holding it in Glasgow? I’m going to sound like a right Southerner here, but I always felt Glasgow was too far north… did many Northern fans really make the journey up there unless their team was in the game? So would this really be a step backwards? Or is the argument that London/Birmingham/Glasgow wasn’t right either, and maybe the All Star Game should be in a new location, like Manchester or Sheffield? Not that it matters. None of us are going to the All Star Game anyway, right? It’s the ideal event to hold in a non BBL based city for me as there is no team attachment. And you use it as a tool to showcase basketball to a newer audience and build it up to eventual franchise if opportunity allows. Doesn’t have to be Glasgow. Liverpool or Leeds good examples with decent sized arenas who did have clubs. Or as you say help out Manchester and Sheffield who have a chance to push the game across the city and the potential legacy of building their own crowds in relatively new or new arenas |
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