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Post by blueskies99 on Jan 15, 2023 13:11:06 GMT
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Jan 15, 2023 13:55:20 GMT
Does this mean if Nix win the trophy again we get to keep if forever?
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Post by dexter on Jan 15, 2023 14:57:38 GMT
I don’t like this. Finals are the most marketable games. In football there’s the FA Cup and the League Cup. If anything the BBL Trophy should be expanded to start earlier in the season to allow more clubs the chance to reach the last 16, last 8 etc.
Rather than scrapping the Trophy how about playing it at different locations each year?
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Post by SamH on Jan 15, 2023 15:43:15 GMT
Don't get rid of it, tweak it or replace it with something else. How can it be positive to go from 4 trophies to compete for to 3?
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Post by tallerman on Jan 15, 2023 15:49:07 GMT
Make entrance to it harder, make it professional teams only.
Love the idea of making the playoffs better and more in line with the nba
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Post by dexter on Jan 15, 2023 17:31:48 GMT
Make entrance to it harder, make it professional teams only. Love the idea of making the playoffs better and more in line with the nba For the Trophy I would add a play in round to select the 6 teams from outside the BBL. With last season’s top 6 teams from NBL D1 as seeded teams. So, for example, Team Wales or St Mirren would have to beat a team like Hemel or Derby before they have the chance of being drawn against a BBL team. It doesn’t exclude those teams, but it means we don’t get Plymouth vs St Mirren. We could still get Derby vs Wales but that would be in the qualifier round, not in the BBL Trophy proper. The other thing is play the final in a different location every year. It would be a big thing to have the BBL Trophy final coming to your city. |
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Post by tallerman on Jan 15, 2023 17:33:40 GMT
Id go 1 step further and play it in possible new bbl locations. Work with an nbl or sbl team in that city and say well bring you the trophy final 3 years in a row. Start building a bigger fan base off the back and what not
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Post by dexter on Jan 15, 2023 18:30:20 GMT
Id go 1 step further and play it in possible new bbl locations. Work with an nbl or sbl team in that city and say well bring you the trophy final 3 years in a row. Start building a bigger fan base off the back and what not Yes, good idea. What they should also do is collect the ticket data to see where people are coming from. I’m going to the BBL Cup final but I don’t live in Birmingham, London or Leicester. 16k BBL fans in central Birmingham means nothing for launching a team there if none of those people live in Birmingham. |
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Post by spacejammer on Jan 15, 2023 19:04:20 GMT
I'm definitely not on board with this.
Fair enough I can understand the challenge and wanting to make each competition different but scrapping the BBL Trophy hell no!
I know alot of people it's either your 3rd or 4th favourite final but as someone already said, it's one of the show piece games of the season.
Unless they plan on replacing it with a new competition or jazzing it up I think this would be a huge mistake for the league.
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Post by dandayr on Jan 15, 2023 19:49:57 GMT
Make entrance to it harder, make it professional teams only. Love the idea of making the playoffs better and more in line with the nba For the Trophy I would add a play in round to select the 6 teams from outside the BBL. With last season’s top 6 teams from NBL D1 as seeded teams. So, for example, Team Wales or St Mirren would have to beat a team like Hemel or Derby before they have the chance of being drawn against a BBL team. It doesn’t exclude those teams, but it means we don’t get Plymouth vs St Mirren. We could still get Derby vs Wales but that would be in the qualifier round, not in the BBL Trophy proper. The other thing is play the final in a different location every year. It would be a big thing to have the BBL Trophy final coming to your city. If rotating is a great idea - I agree and I look forward to the 2024 and 2025 play-off finals being played in Manchester at the co-op arena then the 26 and 27 finals in Newcastle or Glasgow  |
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Post by tallerman on Jan 15, 2023 20:12:39 GMT
I'm definitely not on board with this. Fair enough I can understand the challenge and wanting to make each competition different but scrapping the BBL Trophy hell no! I know alot of people it's either your 3rd or 4th favourite final but as someone already said, it's one of the show piece games of the season. Unless they plan on replacing it with a new competition or jazzing it up I think this would be a huge mistake for the league. I can't imagine theyd remove without replacing, they make too much money from finals |
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Post by dexter on Jan 15, 2023 20:22:31 GMT
I definitely do not think the playoff final should be moved. It is an established annual event in London which is a big achievement for the BBL. But the Trophy Final and the Cup Final should be considered for rotation.
Maybe they’re announcing they are scrapping the Trophy, so if they do a U turn but with the final in a different venue people will be mostly happy. If they just say they’re going to move the final the Scots will be pissed off.
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Post by irf on Jan 16, 2023 4:12:06 GMT
How many cups/trophies are up to be won In NBA?
If any?
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Post by spacejammer on Jan 16, 2023 7:38:56 GMT
How many cups/trophies are up to be won In NBA? If any? Unless you count the All Stars championship then 1. But then this is why I don't tend to find the NBA as fascinating until the playoffs where every game then matters. Although I remember Adam Sliver saying a few times the NBA considered adding a Cup competition. |
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Post by dexter on Jan 16, 2023 7:43:49 GMT
Spanish teams can win 3 domestic trophies and a European trophy (12 of their 18 teams are in a European competition). They don’t win anything for finishing top of Liga ACB, but they have proper playoffs. The host of their two cup competitions (Copa del Rey and Supercopa) changes each year.
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Post by irf on Jan 16, 2023 8:13:33 GMT
You could argue 4 domestic trophies is too many especially if BBL teams hope/plan to play in Europe more in the future
A potential alternative to scrapping a cup or trophy could be to have one where any BBL teams playing in Europe don't compete in it
Depending what the motivation is for losing one of the competitions
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Post by SamH on Jan 16, 2023 11:28:10 GMT
I don't think scrapping 1 trophy makes the other 3 anymore prestigious, so there just seems no value in doing it. Yes the NBA has only one that really matters, although they have now introduced a trophy to go to the team with the league's best record at the end of the regular season, but I don't think anyone will see much value in that. They also hand out trophies to the 2 conference champions who play in the final. If they ever do introduce a knockout style cup competition, I think it would add some excitement but I don't know if traditional American sport fans would put much value on winning it. Perhaps after a while once it becomes more ingrained.
Ideally what we'd have here is more teams (yep back to that again) then maybe you could do away with the trophy in favour of increased league games. And with more games and teams, then more prestige would come in winning the league, although it's already seen as the best thing to win.
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Post by milehigh on Jan 16, 2023 12:02:06 GMT
Playing the Trophy final in Glasgow makes it a very expensive weekend for the teams involved and spectators, also it increases the costs for match officials etc.
I'd be surprised if the fianal makes a significant profit for the BBL, after all the costs are deducted.
A Possible idea for the trophy would be to play it as a pre season tournament over a coupe of weekends, a last 16 and quarter final round at two venues, one in the North the other the south and then a final four event at a central venue. Semi Finals on the saturday and final on the Sunday afternoon, so everyone has time to get home at a sensible time.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Jan 16, 2023 13:36:26 GMT
Playing the Trophy final in Glasgow makes it a very expensive weekend for the teams involved and spectators, also it increases the costs for match officials etc. I'd be surprised if the fianal makes a significant profit for the BBL, after all the costs are deducted. A Possible idea for the trophy would be to play it as a pre season tournament over a coupe of weekends, a last 16 and quarter final round at two venues, one in the North the other the south and then a final four event at a central venue. Semi Finals on the saturday and final on the Sunday afternoon, so everyone has time to get home at a sensible time. A last 16?? How many teams would you have in the first round and where would you get them from? |
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Post by D44 on Jan 16, 2023 13:43:42 GMT
More than happy to get rid of one of the cup competitions if it means we get rid of the aggregate score playoff games and they are to best of 3 instead.
Would also be incredibly happy to see the back of the pointless NBL (and Wales/Scotland) team entering the cup competitions.
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