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Post by stepback3 on Dec 30, 2022 17:29:58 GMT
Neither edinburgh venue is fit enough for wbbl let alone bbl. Edinburgh really lacks a quality multisport venue for top level sport.
Fans moan about glasgow for the trophy. Lets add another 3hrs
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Post by dexter on Dec 30, 2022 18:41:55 GMT
Neither edinburgh venue is fit enough for wbbl let alone bbl. Edinburgh really lacks a quality multisport venue for top level sport. Fans moan about glasgow for the trophy. Lets add another 3hrs This is an argument against having a BBL team in Aberdeen. It’s really far. |
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Post by dandayr on Dec 30, 2022 19:40:30 GMT
Neither edinburgh venue is fit enough for wbbl let alone bbl. Edinburgh really lacks a quality multisport venue for top level sport. Fans moan about glasgow for the trophy. Lets add another 3hrs The Edinburgh option was in relation to a new arena, supposedly being built out in Straiton - around the 5K capacity mark and if you google it, was originally for a 2023 opening. So with nothing happened since the original announcements, its not going to be in place soon. Its main purpose would be music entertainment venue in an attempt to divert tours from Glasgow to Edinburgh, any sport would be competing for nights with those. |
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Post by dexter on Dec 31, 2022 4:41:21 GMT
Neither edinburgh venue is fit enough for wbbl let alone bbl. Edinburgh really lacks a quality multisport venue for top level sport. Fans moan about glasgow for the trophy. Lets add another 3hrs The Edinburgh option was in relation to a new arena, supposedly being built out in Straiton - around the 5K capacity mark and if you google it, was originally for a 2023 opening. So with nothing happened since the original announcements, it’s not going to be in place soon. Its main purpose would be music entertainment venue in an attempt to divert tours from Glasgow to Edinburgh, any sport would be competing for nights with those. What is wrong with Meadowbank? It was built this year. According to this it has indoor match size sports halls with 420 seating and additional bleacher seating for 725. www.thomasandadamson.com/portfolio-item/meadowbank-sports-arena/I don’t have much more information on it except for these photos. From the description and counting the fixed seating I would say there is seating for more than a thousand in that sports hall. theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2022/10/official-opening-at-meadowbank-sports-centre-next-weekend/It looks like the perfect venue for a new BBL franchise. |
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Post by erj14 on Jan 1, 2023 1:26:13 GMT
The Edinburgh option was in relation to a new arena, supposedly being built out in Straiton - around the 5K capacity mark and if you google it, was originally for a 2023 opening. So with nothing happened since the original announcements, it’s not going to be in place soon. Its main purpose would be music entertainment venue in an attempt to divert tours from Glasgow to Edinburgh, any sport would be competing for nights with those. What is wrong with Meadowbank? It was built this year. According to this it has indoor match size sports halls with 420 seating and additional bleacher seating for 725. www.thomasandadamson.com/portfolio-item/meadowbank-sports-arena/I don’t have much more information on it except for these photos. From the description and counting the fixed seating I would say there is seating for more than a thousand in that sports hall. theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2022/10/official-opening-at-meadowbank-sports-centre-next-weekend/It looks like the perfect venue for a new BBL franchise. I think that venue is well below what the BBL is aiming for nowadays with a new franchise. Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. Not with a million pound joining fee. It's a shame as I'd love Edinburgh to have a team, nice easy away day from Newcastle in the best city in the UK. Yes please. |
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Post by dexter on Jan 1, 2023 3:31:41 GMT
I think that venue is well below what the BBL is aiming for nowadays with a new franchise. Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. Not with a million pound joining fee. It's a shame as I'd love Edinburgh to have a team, nice easy away day from Newcastle in the best city in the UK. Yes please. That is a shame. If the BBL is going to set the barrier to entry so high I don't think there are going to be any new teams, especially from Scotland. A team and a fanbase takes years to build up. English teams can do that in the NBL, but I think that's quite difficult for a Scottish team to do in the Scottish league. |
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Post by erj14 on Jan 1, 2023 8:12:08 GMT
I think that venue is well below what the BBL is aiming for nowadays with a new franchise. Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. Not with a million pound joining fee. It's a shame as I'd love Edinburgh to have a team, nice easy away day from Newcastle in the best city in the UK. Yes please. That is a shame. If the BBL is going to set the barrier to entry so high I don't think there are going to be any new teams, especially from Scotland. A team and a fanbase takes years to build up. English teams can do that in the NBL, but I think that's quite difficult for a Scottish team to do in the Scottish league. Agreed 100%. I'm generally happy with what I've heard from 777 but I do think there is quite a lot of running before walking type thinking going on. Personally I think that facility would be perfect for a start up BBL team, maybe with a limit of 5 years before looking at something bigger. I can't see us being in big arenas (10k plus) for a LONG time, if ever. I'd be more than happy with everyone playing out of a Newcastle type venue, maybe a little bigger (5kish) at some point. |
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Post by spacejammer on Jan 1, 2023 15:15:35 GMT
That is a shame. If the BBL is going to set the barrier to entry so high I don't think there are going to be any new teams, especially from Scotland. A team and a fanbase takes years to build up. English teams can do that in the NBL, but I think that's quite difficult for a Scottish team to do in the Scottish league. Agreed 100%. I'm generally happy with what I've heard from 777 but I do think there is quite a lot of running before walking type thinking going on. Personally I think that facility would be perfect for a start up BBL team, maybe with a limit of 5 years before looking at something bigger. I can't see us being in big arenas (10k plus) for a LONG time, if ever. I'd be more than happy with everyone playing out of a Newcastle type venue, maybe a little bigger (5kish) at some point. I remember on the BBL Show last season when Drew and Jay spoke to someone from the Birmingham project (Bob Hope I think was the name) he went on about how teams like Cheshire and Surrey are playing in small venues that have no room for expansion. When he said that whilst I understood where he was coming from I did think he failed to realise atleast half the BBL probably don't have Europe on their radar at the moment to be considering expanding. That and thinking a Birmingham franchise will sell out the Barclay Card arena straight away was to ambitious to early on. |
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Post by dexter on Jan 1, 2023 15:54:57 GMT
Agreed 100%. I'm generally happy with what I've heard from 777 but I do think there is quite a lot of running before walking type thinking going on. Personally I think that facility would be perfect for a start up BBL team, maybe with a limit of 5 years before looking at something bigger. I can't see us being in big arenas (10k plus) for a LONG time, if ever. I'd be more than happy with everyone playing out of a Newcastle type venue, maybe a little bigger (5kish) at some point. I remember on the BBL Show last season when Drew and Jay spoke to someone from the Birmingham project (Bob Hope I think was the name) he went on about how teams like Cheshire and Surrey are playing in small venues that have no room for expansion. When he said that whilst I understood where he was coming from I did think he failed to realise atleast half the BBL probably don't have Europe on their radar at the moment to be considering expanding. That and thinking a Birmingham franchise will sell out the Barclay Card arena straight away was to ambitious to early on. I agree that selling out the Birmingham Arena straight away is too ambitious and unrealistic, but at the same time if that is the ambition it doesn’t make sense to build a medium size arena when there venues like that already exist in the West Midlands (University of Worcester Arena, Coventry Building Society Arena Conference Centre). Birmingham managed to host the Commonwealth Games using the facilities already available. If Bob Hope is going to make this happen it will have to be within existing venues. Hopefully he can sort something out with NEC Group and Mike Ashley. |
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Post by dandayr on Jan 1, 2023 16:43:56 GMT
I think that venue is well below what the BBL is aiming for nowadays with a new franchise. Maybe 5 years ago, but not now. Not with a million pound joining fee. It's a shame as I'd love Edinburgh to have a team, nice easy away day from Newcastle in the best city in the UK. Yes please. That is a shame. If the BBL is going to set the barrier to entry so high I don't think there are going to be any new teams, especially from Scotland. A team and a fanbase takes years to build up. English teams can do that in the NBL, but I think that's quite difficult for a Scottish team to do in the Scottish league. If the league ambition is a set of Sheffield (current), Surrey, Bristol (current) venues then yes Meadowbank looks like it would be an ok option. However if the ambition is a set of Vertu, Morningside, Copperbox plus the new pair of Bristol Ashton gate and Sheffield Olympic park as the standard then the new Meadowbank is not up to it. |
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Post by spacejammer on Jan 1, 2023 18:31:18 GMT
I remember on the BBL Show last season when Drew and Jay spoke to someone from the Birmingham project (Bob Hope I think was the name) he went on about how teams like Cheshire and Surrey are playing in small venues that have no room for expansion. When he said that whilst I understood where he was coming from I did think he failed to realise atleast half the BBL probably don't have Europe on their radar at the moment to be considering expanding. That and thinking a Birmingham franchise will sell out the Barclay Card arena straight away was to ambitious to early on. I agree that selling out the Birmingham Arena straight away is too ambitious and unrealistic, but at the same time if that is the ambition it doesn’t make sense to build a medium size arena when there venues like that already exist in the West Midlands (University of Worcester Arena, Coventry Building Society Arena Conference Centre). Birmingham managed to host the Commonwealth Games using the facilities already available. If Bob Hope is going to make this happen it will have to be within existing venues. Hopefully he can sort something out with NEC Group and Mike Ashley. As a Newcastle man I wouldn't want Mike Ashley anywhere near the BBL given how he used Newcastle United FC as nothing more then a cash cow to promote Sports Direct. But back on point I would a new BBL franchises aim should be to establish themselves and build a stable and consistent fan base. Given how a team in Birmingham has folded 3 times with the Knights and Royals genuinely believing they could roll on the premise of "we build it and they will come" then they will most likely only last 1 season and a bit then fold. Plus to be aiming for Europe they need money and at the very least believe they have enough experience as a team and franchises to compete with the continent. And to have some sliverware success in your domestic league probably helps. Once like the Eagles and Sharks etc... you know you have an established fan base and know you have a market for Basketball then you would start considering going for a bigger venue and then eventually start looking to see if you can play bigger venues and eventually your own arena. And sport aside I would also believe building a rapour and having the support your local council would also play a part in helping secure your own arena. |
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Post by dexter on Jan 1, 2023 20:32:23 GMT
The more I think about this and the more I read other people’s thoughts, the more I think the new BBL owners have unintentionally pulled up the drawbridge to any new teams. I hope I’m wrong.
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on Jan 1, 2023 20:44:50 GMT
I think the Knights proved how you should NOT run a team.
They were a total embarrassment to British Basketball, then you had the Royals, they fared much better than the Knights and won the BBL Trophy in their first season but then withdrew from the league the season after, did they play many if any league games, they got to the BBL Cup Semis I know that much
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Post by erj14 on Jan 1, 2023 22:06:06 GMT
The more I think about this and the more I read other people’s thoughts, the more I think the new BBL owners have unintentionally pulled up the drawbridge to any new teams. I hope I’m wrong. I'm sure I saw talk of increasing the franchise fee to £1 million. If that's the case, I'd agree with you. Seems mad to me, I'll always be a subscriber to raising the level slowly and organically. Again, I really hope I'm wrong. |
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Post by bullets92 on Jan 3, 2023 17:50:53 GMT
I remember on the BBL Show last season when Drew and Jay spoke to someone from the Birmingham project (Bob Hope I think was the name) he went on about how teams like Cheshire and Surrey are playing in small venues that have no room for expansion. When he said that whilst I understood where he was coming from I did think he failed to realise atleast half the BBL probably don't have Europe on their radar at the moment to be considering expanding. That and thinking a Birmingham franchise will sell out the Barclay Card arena straight away was to ambitious to early on. I agree that selling out the Birmingham Arena straight away is too ambitious and unrealistic, but at the same time if that is the ambition it doesn’t make sense to build a medium size arena when there venues like that already exist in the West Midlands (University of Worcester Arena, Coventry Building Society Arena Conference Centre). Birmingham managed to host the Commonwealth Games using the facilities already available. If Bob Hope is going to make this happen it will have to be within existing venues. Hopefully he can sort something out with NEC Group and Mike Ashley. Are you advocating a Birmingham team play out of Worcester or Coventry? About 30 miles to Worcester. Not far off Manchester to Liverpool A big issue we had with the Panthers, Knights and the later Bullets was the fact they didn't play near the city centre. A pain to get to. The idea that a team in Coventry or Worcester would attract Birmingham fans is crazy. The fact is, it is NIA/NEC or bust. There are no medium sized arenas or space for said arenas |
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Post by dexter on Jan 3, 2023 18:21:44 GMT
I agree that selling out the Birmingham Arena straight away is too ambitious and unrealistic, but at the same time if that is the ambition it doesn’t make sense to build a medium size arena when there venues like that already exist in the West Midlands (University of Worcester Arena, Coventry Building Society Arena Conference Centre). Birmingham managed to host the Commonwealth Games using the facilities already available. If Bob Hope is going to make this happen it will have to be within existing venues. Hopefully he can sort something out with NEC Group and Mike Ashley. Are you advocating a Birmingham team play out of Worcester or Coventry? About 30 miles to Worcester. Not far off Manchester to Liverpool A big issue we had with the Panthers, Knights and the later Bullets was the fact they didn't play near the city centre. A pain to get to. The idea that a team in Coventry or Worcester would attract Birmingham fans is crazy. The fact is, it is NIA/NEC or bust. There are no medium sized arenas or space for said arenas Then I don’t think it’s going to happen. The best thing will be for Birmingham Rockets to get promoted and become successful in NBL D1. |
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Post by sporty77 on Jan 3, 2023 19:20:39 GMT
I have a feeling that Worcester University would not let anyone else play at their arena.
They want it for themselves and NBL basketball only.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Jan 6, 2023 10:51:54 GMT
I have a feeling that Worcester University would not let anyone else play at their arena. They want it for themselves and NBL basketball only. Would that possibly depend on how loud money talks (or shouts). |
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