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Post by isthaturinal on Nov 16, 2022 18:53:27 GMT
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Post by voise on Nov 19, 2022 18:29:09 GMT
As the press release states we are at full strength can only assume there are disciplinary issues keeping Ogunyemi on the bench for Sharks. Delpeche has been ice cold this weekend and both he and Banks play paper thin defence.
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Post by voise on Nov 19, 2022 19:49:39 GMT
Sharks made real hard work of that.
Got to think RGJ is still injured.
Not an exact science but the +/- ratings this weekend have been eye watering - particularly when you take into account points scored đź‘€
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 15:43:40 GMT
Giants look like they’ve lost the plot, refs are as usual calling everything a foul but Giants just sulking by looks of it
Gonna struggle to keep 5 players on the court at this rate
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Post by mansfieldmike on Nov 20, 2022 16:50:52 GMT
Well played Patriots.
Giants not quite the same team without William Lee ... where was he? ... by the way
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Post by blueskies99 on Nov 20, 2022 16:54:20 GMT
Well played Patriots. Giants not quite the same team without William Lee ... where was he? ... by the way Injured…… 3-6 weeks from the end of October. |
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Post by baldeagle on Nov 20, 2022 16:58:34 GMT
Well played Patriots. Giants not quite the same team without William Lee ... where was he? ... by the way Great game between the league’s 2 insolvent clubs! Much more entertaining than the Surrey-Sharks slog fest last night. What is Elvisi having for his brekky this season? |
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Post by D44 on Nov 20, 2022 19:31:38 GMT
I retract my points about how the Eagles couldn't stop The Douche on Friday. I thought we should have been able to handle the backup point guard on the second worst team in the league, but watching a much better Giants team do an even worse job handling him safe to say he's absolutely on fire so far this season.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 20, 2022 20:47:46 GMT
Entertaining game and delighted to see Giants beaten. Love the crowd at Plymouth - so enthusiastic. Dusha was excellent. Not a lot of defence being played at times but a really exciting contest to watch. Can't believe Eagles let Fletcher go. That guy's real quality. Mad decision which I think Newcastle fans must be rueful about.
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Post by spacejammer on Nov 20, 2022 21:46:55 GMT
Entertaining game and delighted to see Giants beaten. Love the crowd at Plymouth - so enthusiastic. Dusha was excellent. Not a lot of defence being played at times but a really exciting contest to watch. Can't believe Eagles let Fletcher go. That guy's real quality. Mad decision which I think Newcastle fans must be rueful about. To be honest I can't believe it either. Was one of the few players from last season I would have kept at the Eagles. Looking at us now he's probably not regretting leaving either. Mind you I would have loved to see him play alongside Hamlet! |
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Post by stevetino on Nov 20, 2022 22:04:12 GMT
Entertaining game and delighted to see Giants beaten. Love the crowd at Plymouth - so enthusiastic. Dusha was excellent. Not a lot of defence being played at times but a really exciting contest to watch. Can't believe Eagles let Fletcher go. That guy's real quality. Mad decision which I think Newcastle fans must be rueful about. To be honest I can't believe it either. Was one of the few players from last season I would have kept at the Eagles. Looking at us now he's probably not regretting leaving either. Mind you I would have loved to see him play alongside Hamlet! 2 many downgrades throughout the squad not just fletch moving on |
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Post by baldeagle on Nov 21, 2022 0:13:24 GMT
Who says Eagles voluntarily let Fletcher go? Maybe Manchester just offered a deal he felt he couldn’t refuse?
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Nov 21, 2022 0:21:46 GMT
Looking at the results of the games this weekend, I reckon that Scorchers and Sharks could still be playing on Tuesday and still not score the number of points that the Pavilion crowd saw in Plymouth.
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Post by milehigh on Nov 21, 2022 4:53:03 GMT
With almost 30% of the league games played, the BBL table is showing clear levels between to sides involved.
Top Tier, Flyers, Riders and Lions who war winning about 75% of their games.
Upper middle, who win as many as they lose Manchester Plymouth & Sheffield
Lower Middle, lose significantly more often than they win Cheshire & Glasgox
Lower Tier, Winning less than one game in five Newcastle & Surrey
Only significant changes from recent years are Bristol getting into the top tier and Newcastle falling into the lowest tier.
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Post by irf on Nov 21, 2022 8:00:56 GMT
Entertaining game and delighted to see Giants beaten. Love the crowd at Plymouth - so enthusiastic. Dusha was excellent. Not a lot of defence being played at times but a really exciting contest to watch. Can't believe Eagles let Fletcher go. That guy's real quality. Mad decision which I think Newcastle fans must be rueful about. To be honest I can't believe it either. Was one of the few players from last season I would have kept at the Eagles. Looking at us now he's probably not regretting leaving either. Mind you I would have loved to see him play alongside Hamlet! You missed the playoffs last season with Fletch in the squad and arguably slightly better players around him to work with Fletch being in this squad you would still miss the playoffs |
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Post by spacejammer on Nov 21, 2022 8:25:12 GMT
Who says Eagles voluntarily let Fletcher go? Maybe Manchester just offered a deal he felt he couldn’t refuse? I heard a rumour he didn't see eye to eye with Steutel which influenced him not coming back. Although Vince said he was also considering going to play in Australia but decided to go to Manchester instead. Either way I think most Eagles fans would happily have Rahmon back given the chance. That loss against Patriots at the end of last season I felt sorry for him as he was devasted. And along with Defoe he was the only one who laid it all on the line that game. And I will point out to IRF whilst yes we look hopeless the season ain't over yet so we could still make the playoffs. Although next 2 games against Riders and Nix the team needs to step it up. |
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Post by irf on Nov 21, 2022 9:09:03 GMT
I have to admire your optimism Spacejammer!
(Having said that lets not pretend JUST making playoffs this season was ever a target for a club of the stature, history and fanbase of Eagles)
We all discussed this pre-season
Steutel himself when he got the job said challenging for the League was the target for a Club like Eagles. He said the club needed to start the season strong!
There was no talk of a gradual slow rebuild from him
Eagles fans on here pre-season were saying Top 4 should be the target
I don't agree with long slow rebuilds at BBL Clubs. It's possible to assemble teams to challenge from scratch which many teams have shown in BBL with strong recruitment backed up with quality coaching
Realistically in BBL you have 2 or 3 games at most at the start of the season to find your feet whilst the other teams do the same
100 per cent Eagles coach and owner must be shocked how bad they are looking right now?
And worried?
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Post by irf on Nov 21, 2022 9:16:29 GMT
Eagles website when Fletch left:
Fletcher’s departure opens the door for a complete backcourt overhaul with Newcastle headed in a new direction for the forthcoming season.
New head coach Steutel is building a roster designed to put the Eagles back on the front foot and Blake added: “Our fans should be very excited.
“This summer we are rebooting, rebuilding and have set about putting this basketball club back where it belongs.”
Eagles clearly don't belong at the bottom of the league
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Post by erj14 on Nov 21, 2022 10:46:09 GMT
I have to admire your optimism Spacejammer! (Having said that lets not pretend JUST making playoffs this season was ever a target for a club of the stature, history and fanbase of Eagles) We all discussed this pre-season Steutel himself when he got the job said challenging for the League was the target for a Club like Eagles. He said the club needed to start the season strong! There was no talk of a gradual slow rebuild from him Eagles fans on here pre-season were saying Top 4 should be the target I don't agree with long slow rebuilds at BBL Clubs. It's possible to assemble teams to challenge from scratch which many teams have shown in BBL with strong recruitment backed up with quality coaching Realistically in BBL you have 2 or 3 games at most at the start of the season to find your feet whilst the other teams do the same 100 per cent Eagles coach and owner must be shocked how bad they are looking right now? And worried? A rebuild doesn't just have to mean the playing staff at a club. A rebuild could mean this: 'We're going to employ a young, local coach who we believe will be right for the job but may take time to learn the ropes. We'll live with a bad start because we believe in the type of coach he could become.' I've probably said this before, but I never really wanted Steutel in the first place and thought there were better coaches out there. I was particularly worried about his lack of experience recruiting a BBL calibre team. However, he's here now and has impressed me with the way he operates and speaks around the club. This isn't something anyone outside of Newcastle will see, so I get why that wouldn't mean anything to most on this thread. I'd rather see him given time and a chance to learn from the mistakes of this summer and this season as a whole. If he was to be sacked, it would be another wasted year. He's going up against coaches who've done this a long time, apart from Lloyd and Gareth. For all everyone likes to denigrate the BBL, it's a hard league to be successful in. He's doing it under a bigger microscope than either of those two, with a mucher bigger support, expectation and fanbase. It's crap at the moment for us, but there are LOADS of other good things going on at the club. We're still extremely lucky to have the Eagles organisation in our city. No other city in the country has what we have for youth basketball and we have the best environment in the BBL to watch our games in. Just a few more wins would help. I'm sure that'll come eventually. |
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Post by irf on Nov 21, 2022 11:37:09 GMT
I have to admire your optimism Spacejammer! (Having said that lets not pretend JUST making playoffs this season was ever a target for a club of the stature, history and fanbase of Eagles) We all discussed this pre-season Steutel himself when he got the job said challenging for the League was the target for a Club like Eagles. He said the club needed to start the season strong! There was no talk of a gradual slow rebuild from him Eagles fans on here pre-season were saying Top 4 should be the target I don't agree with long slow rebuilds at BBL Clubs. It's possible to assemble teams to challenge from scratch which many teams have shown in BBL with strong recruitment backed up with quality coaching Realistically in BBL you have 2 or 3 games at most at the start of the season to find your feet whilst the other teams do the same 100 per cent Eagles coach and owner must be shocked how bad they are looking right now? And worried? A rebuild doesn't just have to mean the playing staff at a club. A rebuild could mean this: 'We're going to employ a young, local coach who we believe will be right for the job but may take time to learn the ropes. We'll live with a bad start because we believe in the type of coach he could become.' I've probably said this before, but I never really wanted Steutel in the first place and thought there were better coaches out there. I was particularly worried about his lack of experience recruiting a BBL calibre team. However, he's here now and has impressed me with the way he operates and speaks around the club. This isn't something anyone outside of Newcastle will see, so I get why that wouldn't mean anything to most on this thread. I'd rather see him given time and a chance to learn from the mistakes of this summer and this season as a whole. If he was to be sacked, it would be another wasted year. He's going up against coaches who've done this a long time, apart from Lloyd and Gareth. For all everyone likes to denigrate the BBL, it's a hard league to be successful in. He's doing it under a bigger microscope than either of those two, with a mucher bigger support, expectation and fanbase. It's crap at the moment for us, but there are LOADS of other good things going on at the club. We're still extremely lucky to have the Eagles organisation in our city. No other city in the country has what we have for youth basketball and we have the best environment in the BBL to watch our games in. Just a few more wins would help. I'm sure that'll come eventually. 100 per cent I believe the Eagles problem is recruitment and also development of professional players And has been for some time including the latter Fab years Other clubs (several with less resources) are finding better players. Simple as that. Players who come in and from day one hit the ground running and get results I don't doubt other aspects of the club away from the Pro team are as good or better than anywhere in BBL Eagles also undoubtedly have the biggest and best fanbase Which given the right squad on court would make Eagles a formidable team again (Every club make recruitment mistakes. Including Riders. I guess the secret is getting more decisions right than wrong and then retaining the good ones when possible) Very few players Eagles have signed in recent years they would want to retain. The recruitment has been consistently bad IMO. Compared to other clubs. Am I wrong to say that? I also agree that someone like Steutel might need time. But what he really needs is top quality recruitment at the club. He himself expected to be top 4 this season. He never asked for time to slowly turn things round when he took the job. He's not going to promise exciting things for the fans and then deliver bottom of the league performances. Any upturn in fortunes next season at Eagles won't come from anything other than better recruitment of another pretty much entirely new squad. Doubt there's going to be much to build on from this squad. And Defoe will just be another year older. Could be a badly wasted season being honest. What exactly will Steutel learn other than the club needs to recruit a better squad to compete at the top? (Something he already knew when he took the job) |
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