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Post by A tall man on Apr 12, 2022 8:16:49 GMT
Absolutely, there's no doubt in my mind the successful fan base was built with that show experience. It will be very hard to replicate
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Post by Solly on Apr 12, 2022 13:13:44 GMT
I get the points about not wanting to fall into a financial hole, but my point still remains about the dull inevitability of the BBL while Leicester continue to prosper alone, with other clubs floundering.
Aside from Leicester's own fans, who else gets any great enjoyment from them?
If they're on Sky I have to accept that will be one less Sky game to savour. At best, I may switch on for the last few minutes in the vain hope there is a chance of them losing.
Same as at any of the Finals - the BBL grafts to get a big crowd in and what happens - another mismatch and new fans leave thinking that was boring.
I should have started a new thread - "Leicester Riders, they're killing British Basketball 🏀"
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Post by irf on Apr 12, 2022 13:37:51 GMT
I get the points about not wanting to fall into a financial hole, but my point still remains about the dull inevitability of the BBL while Leicester continue to prosper alone, with other clubs floundering. Aside from Leicester's own fans, who else gets any great enjoyment from them? If they're on Sky I have to accept that will be one less Sky game to savour. At best, I may switch on for the last few minutes in the vain hope there is a chance of them losing. Same as at any of the Finals - the BBL grafts to get a big crowd in and what happens - another mismatch and new fans leave thinking that was boring. I should have started a new thread - "Leicester Riders, they're killing British Basketball 🏀" Killing British Basketball because they are very well organised, very professional and very well coached I guess the rest of BBL needs Riders to implode somehow as they really aren't showing any signs of getting to our level |
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Post by A tall man on Apr 12, 2022 13:47:35 GMT
Solly I am all for this! So is IRF, he just doesn't realise if you swap Newcastle for Leicester this has been him for the last 5 or so years
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Post by erj14 on Apr 12, 2022 14:01:08 GMT
Lol, it's not Leicester's fault they've been streets ahead of everyone else this season. It's up the rest of the league to catch up, they're doing what they're supposed to do.
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Post by Solly on Apr 12, 2022 14:51:30 GMT
Leicester are indeed the best at the moment but that club doesn't seem willing to spread the love.
I guess, like most of their fans, they're just not capable of seeing beyond their own doorstep.
I could be a billionaire but if getting all that money was at the expense of a nice life for everyone else then is that ethical?
Maybe I should have started a new thread - Leicester Riders - Founder Members of the Me First Society?
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Post by erj14 on Apr 12, 2022 14:58:11 GMT
Leicester are indeed the best at the moment but that club doesn't seem willing to spread the love. I guess, like most of their fans, they're just not capable of seeing beyond their own doorstep. I could be a billionaire but if getting all that money was at the expense of a nice life for everyone else then is that ethical? Maybe I should have started a new thread - Leicester Riders - Founder Members of the Me First Society? Are they doing anything that is directly taking things away from other clubs? That's a genuine question as I know that their club hierarchy is involved at a higher level. What I mean by that, are they involved with making any rules that make it harder for other BBL clubs to compete with them? Or do they benefit from an artificially uneven playing field? If they don't, then I say crack on. It's sport and therefore it's up to other clubs to do better than them. It's not as if London isn't short of a bob or two, for them to be dominated by Leicester I'm the way they have been is pretty embarrassing in my opinion. Same could be said for my Eagles being so poor in comparison although on a much lower budget than London. |
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Post by topcata on Apr 12, 2022 14:59:27 GMT
Leicester are indeed the best at the moment but that club doesn't seem willing to spread the love. I guess, like most of their fans, they're just not capable of seeing beyond their own doorstep. I could be a billionaire but if getting all that money was at the expense of a nice life for everyone else then is that ethical? Maybe I should have started a new thread - Leicester Riders - Founder Members of the Me First Society? Are they doing anything that is directly taking things away from other clubs? That's a genuine question as I know that their club hierarchy is involved at a higher level. What I mean by that, are they involved with making any rules that make it harder for other BBL clubs to compete with them? Paying higher salaries than other clubs? |
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Post by irf on Apr 12, 2022 16:35:34 GMT
Leicester are indeed the best at the moment but that club doesn't seem willing to spread the love. I guess, like most of their fans, they're just not capable of seeing beyond their own doorstep. I could be a billionaire but if getting all that money was at the expense of a nice life for everyone else then is that ethical? Maybe I should have started a new thread - Leicester Riders - Founder Members of the Me First Society? You want Kevin Routledge to risk losing his house do you? |
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Post by irf on Apr 12, 2022 16:39:17 GMT
Are they doing anything that is directly taking things away from other clubs? That's a genuine question as I know that their club hierarchy is involved at a higher level. What I mean by that, are they involved with making any rules that make it harder for other BBL clubs to compete with them? Paying higher salaries than other clubs? Riders couldn't contemplate the wages Lions were prepared to pay Robinson to sign for them Lions pay more wages than us for sure We just spend our money better and have a way better coach Maybe Rob should be the one "spreading the love" by taking it in turns coaching other clubs in BBL? |
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Post by A tall man on Apr 12, 2022 17:46:33 GMT
I know both spent the cap and both overpaid brits for the non cap conditions. Did the euro players count in the salary cap though? I'm guessing not.
If I were Leicester I'd be working very hard to develop talent, not ship it in at 16. Thats their downfall. Charnwood and Loughborough are great programs because they recruit great players. The set up under and alongside is poor (as with 99% of all bbl clubs). That's their main weakness on the playing side. On the business side they need to put on a better show to keep fans coming back. The dominant seasons have brought and kept basketball fans, they need to work on selling out that stadium week in week out. I don't doubt that Kev is in talks with Paul how he does it so we'll. Time will tell but If changes aren't made, Leicester will fall
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Post by irf on Apr 12, 2022 18:12:54 GMT
I know both spent the cap and both overpaid brits for the non cap conditions. Did the euro players count in the salary cap though? I'm guessing not. If I were Leicester I'd be working very hard to develop talent, not ship it in at 16. Thats their downfall. Charnwood and Loughborough are great programs because they recruit great players. The set up under and alongside is poor (as with 99% of all bbl clubs). That's their main weakness on the playing side. On the business side they need to put on a better show to keep fans coming back. The dominant seasons have brought and kept basketball fans, they need to work on selling out that stadium week in week out. I don't doubt that Kev is in talks with Paul how he does it so we'll. Time will tell but If changes aren't made, Leicester will fall If Paul can double the population of Leicester to match the population of Newcastle that should more than provide the extra supporters we need to sellout every single week? And at the same time could Paul make Leicester's Rugby and Football team as unsuccessful as Newcastles that would also help free some more sports fans up with time for basketball? Still of course there is room for improvement on match nights We've got a better match night commentator than Eagles though so clearly that's not the problem |
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Post by A tall man on Apr 12, 2022 18:35:28 GMT
Size of the city is irrelevant, you need to get return visitors more often
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Post by irf on Apr 12, 2022 18:41:38 GMT
Size of the city is irrelevant, you need to get return visitors more often I agree on last bit Have to disagree on first bit Size of catchment is very relevant It helps explain Newcastle United wanting to expand their 52,000 capacity stadium to 80,000 And the fact they sellout consistently despite such a poor product on the pitch consistently for many years now Newcastle quite simply has more than double the number of sports fans than Leicester has That also explains Eagles being able to get capacity or close to capacity crowds despite not performing on the court There's way more public out there who want to pay for a family sports day out in Newcastle than Leicester Simple as that But I always agree EVERY club has to do their best to make basketball fans return |
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Post by A tall man on Apr 12, 2022 18:54:19 GMT
If we were talking Eagles having 10k fans I'd agree, we're not were talking tiny numbers. Plymouth is smaller and has notoriously sold out (a smaller venue but could comfortably do more than Leicester in the raiders days)
How big is Worcester yet they have a huge fan base.
Leicester isn't a town of 50k people, there's plenty to keep as basketball fans when you're the best in the country
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Post by spacejammer on Apr 12, 2022 19:37:53 GMT
I get the points about not wanting to fall into a financial hole, but my point still remains about the dull inevitability of the BBL while Leicester continue to prosper alone, with other clubs floundering. Aside from Leicester's own fans, who else gets any great enjoyment from them? If they're on Sky I have to accept that will be one less Sky game to savour. At best, I may switch on for the last few minutes in the vain hope there is a chance of them losing. Same as at any of the Finals - the BBL grafts to get a big crowd in and what happens - another mismatch and new fans leave thinking that was boring. I should have started a new thread - "Leicester Riders, they're killing British Basketball 🏀" Been busy and only just watched the Giants@Rider game today and been avoiding results ever since so sorry if I'm late to the party. If theirs one thing Riders ain't doing its Killing BBL ball as to be honest. As much as I hate to admit it they've put together an exciting team and from the games I seen on TV this season the only team I felt challenged and made them sweat was Bristol a few weeks ago. And even then they managed to win the game. From what I have seen even if they don't win the playoff finals I cannot see them not making the final at the very least as I doubt anyone is beating them over 2 legs that's for certain. The only thing I can see being difficult for Leicester is the hangover next season. Even if they continue to dominate I reckon its going to be hard to get a Leicester team this good next season. Unless Europe is on the cards which even IRF pointed out is questionable given the financial costs of it. And even then theirs a good chance players may leave to go to clubs and leagues elsewhere higher up the ladder. All I can say to Riders fans is congrats and to soak it in now and come the playoff race. As similar to the Eagles they're may come a day when your struggling like us and start to miss the glory seasons gone by. |
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Post by irf on Apr 12, 2022 19:47:37 GMT
I get the points about not wanting to fall into a financial hole, but my point still remains about the dull inevitability of the BBL while Leicester continue to prosper alone, with other clubs floundering. Aside from Leicester's own fans, who else gets any great enjoyment from them? If they're on Sky I have to accept that will be one less Sky game to savour. At best, I may switch on for the last few minutes in the vain hope there is a chance of them losing. Same as at any of the Finals - the BBL grafts to get a big crowd in and what happens - another mismatch and new fans leave thinking that was boring. I should have started a new thread - "Leicester Riders, they're killing British Basketball 🏀" Been busy and only just watched the Giants@Rider game today and been avoiding results ever since so sorry if I'm late to the party. If theirs one thing Riders ain't doing its Killing BBL ball as to be honest. As much as I hate to admit it they've put together an exciting team and from the games I seen on TV this season the only team I felt challenged and made them sweat was Bristol a few weeks ago. And even then they managed to win the game. From what I have seen even if they don't win the playoff finals I cannot see them not making the final at the very least as I doubt anyone is beating them over 2 legs that's for certain. The only thing I can see being difficult for Leicester is the hangover next season. Even if they continue to dominate I reckon its going to be hard to get a Leicester team this good next season. Unless Europe is on the cards which even IRF pointed out is questionable given the financial costs of it. And even then theirs a good chance players may leave to go to clubs and leagues elsewhere higher up the ladder. All I can say to Riders fans is congrats and to soak it in now and come the playoff race. As similar to the Eagles they're may come a day when your struggling like us and start to miss the glory seasons gone by. Best seasons for me for excitement were the season Eagles were still dominant (as we were slowly closing the gap on them) and the season we ended that domination and won the League Drew Sullivan, Tyler Bernardini, Trayvonn at his best. And don't forget we won that league with Neil Watson as point guard. Who was a great character and exciting player. But he wasn't anywhere near Fletch Meant so much to beat Eagles back then And we found it tougher to beat other teams back then as well Not just Eagles Some of those games were unbeatable And I still think back to that game Achara hit the last second 3 pointer from nowhere to knock us out of something? Special games We don't get them now We take winning stuff for granted now |
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Post by spacejammer on Apr 12, 2022 20:20:53 GMT
Been busy and only just watched the Giants@Rider game today and been avoiding results ever since so sorry if I'm late to the party. If theirs one thing Riders ain't doing its Killing BBL ball as to be honest. As much as I hate to admit it they've put together an exciting team and from the games I seen on TV this season the only team I felt challenged and made them sweat was Bristol a few weeks ago. And even then they managed to win the game. From what I have seen even if they don't win the playoff finals I cannot see them not making the final at the very least as I doubt anyone is beating them over 2 legs that's for certain. The only thing I can see being difficult for Leicester is the hangover next season. Even if they continue to dominate I reckon its going to be hard to get a Leicester team this good next season. Unless Europe is on the cards which even IRF pointed out is questionable given the financial costs of it. And even then theirs a good chance players may leave to go to clubs and leagues elsewhere higher up the ladder. All I can say to Riders fans is congrats and to soak it in now and come the playoff race. As similar to the Eagles they're may come a day when your struggling like us and start to miss the glory seasons gone by. Best seasons for me for excitement were the season Eagles were still dominant (as we were slowly closing the gap on them) and the season we ended that domination and won the League Drew Sullivan, Tyler Bernardini, Trayvonn at his best. And don't forget we won that league with Neil Watson as point guard. Who was a great character and exciting player. But he wasn't anywhere near Fletch Meant so much to beat Eagles back then And we found it tougher to beat other teams back then as well Not just Eagles Some of those games were unbeatable And I still think back to that game Achara hit the last second 3 pointer from nowhere to knock us out of something? Special games We don't get them now We take winning stuff for granted now I have to agree with you there, I have started to miss the days back at sports Central where on most nights by HT the game was won and we would just cruise to a 20 or 30 point victory. Although while the Riders are a fantastic team I got to give a shout out to some of the other teams that have been exciting to watch such a Pats, Flyers, Giants and Nix. Even the London Lions were superb for half a season until they went into decline and the Rocks have given us some great games when they played against us this year. While the Eagle might not be so hot this year I can still say I have enjoyed watching other teams compete and come on this season. |
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Post by LTfan on Apr 13, 2022 13:21:48 GMT
If anyone watched/listed to The BBL Show interview with Russell Levenston last week you'll know that Leicester Riders absolutely have plans to play in Europe next season.
And from previous shows you'll know one of the main reasons Geno re-signed for this season is because he was told Europe is on the horizon.
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