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Post by foxprorawks on Mar 11, 2024 10:33:24 GMT
Obviously saying this with my Eagles goggles on, but I think that's helping them a bit at the moment. The whole addition by subtraction argument, means Murray isn't having to find minutes at the guard spot for Jimenez and Whelan. Gladiators play slower out there with Fahro which I think played in to Eagles hands earlier in the season. Quade Green's game seems to really suit Moore. Quade is the big difference - he makes everyone better when he's on court. I hope we still have him next season, and it's not another Al Durham situation. I'm pretty sure we would have beaten Eagles by a lot more with a full squad. We'd likely have beaten Lions on Friday as well. |
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Post by cosbyrider on Mar 11, 2024 13:10:03 GMT
Personally I think Allen’s defensive work has always been shoddy, he’s about a stone overweight and he’s here because he can’t get a work permit elsewhere in Europe for very valid reasons.
It’s a real reboot required. There’s glimpses where you think…yeah this team could improve but then along comes a road trip to Bristol or Plymouth
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Post by mac on Mar 11, 2024 15:19:03 GMT
I thought Caledonia's defence in the paint was superb, pretty much taking our guards out of the equation. That reduced them to long range stuff with only Johnson really contributing. I enjoyed the battle of the bigs and was surprised that we out rebounded them. The minutes were well spread out, probably with an eye on Europe. But on the night the best team won, quite handsomely too.
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 11, 2024 18:32:37 GMT
Just caught the Eagles@Glads game now and looks like it wasn't our afternoon to be honest.
Gladiators played the better game even more so considering they were missing some key players as well.
I'm hoping as someone already mentioned that the Eagles had their eye on Europe more and wanted to avoid injury from this one.
Although Glads looked determined and played with a lot more confidence this time compared to our game last month.
I suppose after how we ran riot on their floor back in November they wanted to put on a front this time and not let us take over their home this time around.
I hope Patrick Whelans injury ain't anything major as it seems odd he missed a game against Surrey on Sky, returned for GB and is now injured again?
On another note though has anyone seeing IRF?
I'm still dying to hear his thoughts on Riders current woes?
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Post by erj14 on Mar 11, 2024 23:30:30 GMT
Quade is the big difference - he makes everyone better when he's on court. I hope we still have him next season, and it's not another Al Durham situation. I'm pretty sure we would have beaten Eagles by a lot more with a full squad. We'd likely have beaten Lions on Friday as well. I don't think it always works like that though. Moore killed us with his lob threat, Fahro isn't giving you that and also eats in to Moore's minute. |
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Post by erj14 on Mar 11, 2024 23:31:33 GMT
Obviously saying this with my Eagles goggles on, but I think that's helping them a bit at the moment. The whole addition by subtraction argument, means Murray isn't having to find minutes at the guard spot for Jimenez and Whelan. Gladiators play slower out there with Fahro which I think played in to Eagles hands earlier in the season. Quade Green's game seems to really suit Moore. Quade is the big difference - he makes everyone better when he's on court. I hope we still have him next season, and it's not another Al Durham situation. Oh yes, he's a real find. If he keeps up at this pace for the rest of the season he could be difficult to hold on to. |
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Post by irf on Mar 12, 2024 6:29:14 GMT
Just caught the Eagles@Glads game now and looks like it wasn't our afternoon to be honest. Gladiators played the better game even more so considering they were missing some key players as well. I'm hoping as someone already mentioned that the Eagles had their eye on Europe more and wanted to avoid injury from this one. Although Glads looked determined and played with a lot more confidence this time compared to our game last month. I suppose after how we ran riot on their floor back in November they wanted to put on a front this time and not let us take over their home this time around. I hope Patrick Whelans injury ain't anything major as it seems odd he missed a game against Surrey on Sky, returned for GB and is now injured again? On another note though has anyone seeing IRF? I'm still dying to hear his thoughts on Riders current woes? We were written off at least once this season before now then went on a decent run Let's see what happens next |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Mar 12, 2024 10:42:42 GMT
Quade is the big difference - he makes everyone better when he's on court. I hope we still have him next season, and it's not another Al Durham situation. Oh yes, he's a real find. If he keeps up at this pace for the rest of the season he could be difficult to hold on to. It's certainly the case with Phoenix, at the end of the season there is always quite a restructuring. Usual arrangements, if they weren't good enough then we don't want them back, if they're had a really good season then another club/league/ country will offer them a better deal ( money). Remains to be seen what this season brings with Rai/ Q/ Chargois/ White for a start. Wondering if that will occur with Gladiators this year, suppose it depends on how much money the owner wants to throw at the team. |
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Post by erj14 on Mar 12, 2024 10:50:45 GMT
Oh yes, he's a real find. If he keeps up at this pace for the rest of the season he could be difficult to hold on to. It's certainly the case with Phoenix, at the end of the season there is always quite a restructuring. Usual arrangements, if they weren't good enough then we don't want them back, if they're had a really good season then another club/league/ country will offer them a better deal ( money). Remains to be seen what this season brings with Rai/ Q/ Chargois/ White for a start. Wondering if that will occur with Gladiators this year, suppose it depends on how much money the owner wants to throw at the team. That's it, all dependent in how much money Mr Timoney wants to throw at it. Otherwise it's the reality for all BBL clubs without a sugar daddy, any player that does really well will end up moving on to bigger things. |
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Post by johnjack on Mar 12, 2024 11:48:44 GMT
It’s a bit of the nature of basketball as a sport aswell. Most players are what I guess you could call journeymen pro. Once one league finishes they move onto the next. Larry Austen Jr went off to play in New Zealand before his return to Phx at the start of last season. Players need to be playing to make money esp when wages aren’t really that good and contracts are only a number of months rather than years. Same goes for cash strapped clubs aswell.
The Nix are essentially a community club running on a shoestring budget. We won’t be able to keep Q, Rai, Chargois et al next year if they want to go, other clubs can pay more (can’t begrudge them either, a basketball career is very short and you have to make the most of it) and the it will be another rebuild. Think about it, Phx have been to 3 trophy finals out of the last 3, all with essentially completely different rosters. It says something about the recruiting ability of James Brice, Ben Thomas and their team. I don’t know if I can see the Phx playing in Europe either even if the do some how make it a Trophy and Playoffs double (which there is an outside chance of, my wardrobe needs another bright orange t-shirt). The club just isn’t big enough. This is part of basketball I don’t like, and I think hurts the sport in the UK. Entry to European competition should be based on attainment and success rather than money but that is probably another point. Basket ball seems very much like the confusing mess that is cricket, with multiple different tournaments all over th play and short player contracts with no real contiguous overall focus which enables teams to get their identity.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Mar 12, 2024 14:07:37 GMT
It’s a bit of the nature of basketball as a sport aswell. Most players are what I guess you could call journeymen pro. Once one league finishes they move onto the next. Larry Austen Jr went off to play in New Zealand before his return to Phx at the start of last season. Players need to be playing to make money esp when wages aren’t really that good and contracts are only a number of months rather than years. Same goes for cash strapped clubs aswell. The Nix are essentially a community club running on a shoestring budget. We won’t be able to keep Q, Rai, Chargois et al next year if they want to go, other clubs can pay more (can’t begrudge them either, a basketball career is very short and you have to make the most of it) and the it will be another rebuild. Think about it, Phx have been to 3 trophy finals out of the last 3, all with essentially completely different rosters. It says something about the recruiting ability of James Brice, Ben Thomas and their team. I don’t know if I can see the Phx playing in Europe either even if the do some how make it a Trophy and Playoffs double (which there is an outside chance of, my wardrobe needs another bright orange t-shirt). The club just isn’t big enough. This is part of basketball I don’t like, and I think hurts the sport in the UK. Entry to European competition should be based on attainment and success rather than money but that is probably another point. Basket ball seems very much like the confusing mess that is cricket, with multiple different tournaments all over th play and short player contracts with no real contiguous overall focus which enables teams to get their identity. Agree with everything you say BUT sometimes it's not always about the money. Players approaching the end of their playing careers, players with young families looking to possibly put down roots/ fall in love also make different choices. Here's hoping Rai has found a lifelong partner this season!!! Taylor King anyone ? |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Mar 12, 2024 19:05:56 GMT
Wow! Boy how the tables have turned. Looks like Leicester are really starting to go through the same motions of what Eagles have been going through the past few seasons. Relying on one superstar player who didn't exactly light it up today along with a team of average BBL stars right now and veterans. After this result wouldn't suprise me if Riders end up in the bottom half of the playoff draw. I'd love to see the behind the scenes reaction from Rob after this defeat. After this loss I would be calling for a brutal early morning practice as for the Riders this loss is unacceptable. Especially considering Flyers had a really tough mid week European game as well. I can't see even Leicester fans being able to defend this result! Is it just my imagination spacejammer or do you attempt to make these ridiculous comparisons to past Eagles teams any time Riders lose a game? Despite this being our worst season for some time we've arguably still had a slightly better time of it domestically than Eagles so far. The two sides are similarly placed in the league and we came within a few seconds of making the Trophy final. The H2H is also lopsided in Riders' favour. 3-1 across all competitions with a +42 point differential. If we win our next game we still have a realistic chance of finishing 3rd and I'd be pretty surprised if we finished lower than 5th. In what world is this in any way similar to Eagles finishing 8th/9th in the league and failing to qualify for/getting bounced out in the first round of every cup competition. You're gonna have to do a better job of explaining this because I see no parallels whatsoever. Not sure Rob's ever throwing the towel in but I'm pretty certain we'll see changes next season. Ironically, I think if we'd only replaced Bridges and the other two had stayed we'd be a much better team. Were they cut or did they opt to leave? Given that we were sub .500 prior to the changes and have gone 11-6 since it's hard to be too critical. Bridges was a bit of a one trick pony and talented though I think Asberry is, I don't think a 6'3" scoring guard would add a massive amount to a team with Allen, Mackenzie, Lall and Holmes. The one I'm still scratching my head over a bit is Pinson. The comments Rob made after the changes appeared to tar all three players with the same brush but there had been no evidence up to that point of Pinson being unprofessional, a bad locker room guy, etc. And I definitely think we'd be a better team if he was still here. No one else has said it but for my money, Conner is really quite struggling at the moment. And I don't think Rob is showing anything like the same level of trust in him that he was 2-3 years ago. If he still had that same confidence in Conner I suspect Kimbal wouldn't even have been in the game to commit that terrible foul at the end of the first half against Bristol. There was also a spot in the Trophy semi where Kimbal picked up his 3rd PF with about four minutes left in the 2nd quarter and instead of turning to Conner, which he surely would have done 100 times out of 100 in that situation in the past, he decided to play the remainder of the half without a PG and with Holmes as the primary ball handler. Conner has racked up a ton of negative +/-s this season, even in games that we've comfortably won. And he's pretty much playing a last man off the bench type role these days. Everyone knows he can shoot the ball but aside from the occasional three point bomb I don't think he's giving us much at all at the moment. He looked like he was having a hart time just keeping hold of the ball against Flyers, never mind getting us into any sort of offense. I've no doubt whatsoever Pinson would be giving us a lot more. He easily has the talent to be a good player at this level. He showed us that on numerous occasions whilst he was here. Even if we decided to bump him back into a bench role, I think he and Mackenzie could potentially have developed into a bit of a two headed monster at the PG spot. Could have played both together against the smaller teams too. As it is we find ourselves relying very heavily on one guy at the position. And when that guy subs out, the drop off is substantial. Pinson incidentally has been playing a bit in the G League lately. Not sure whether he's still on a team or not but the fact that he's getting opportunities in that league says something for his ability. |
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Post by eagles18000 on Mar 12, 2024 20:33:23 GMT
did pinson not have 4 colleges in 4 years? there's always a reason
and lots of teams wanted rai last year. If you think he went to one thats paying him the least money........
the Americans probably aren't getting much at Cheshire (jack excepted) and they do benefit from 2 local bbl quality part time players but i'm not buying the 'shoestring' line.
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Post by stevetino on Mar 12, 2024 23:26:54 GMT
Wow! Boy how the tables have turned. Looks like Leicester are really starting to go through the same motions of what Eagles have been going through the past few seasons. Relying on one superstar player who didn't exactly light it up today along with a team of average BBL stars right now and veterans. After this result wouldn't suprise me if Riders end up in the bottom half of the playoff draw. I'd love to see the behind the scenes reaction from Rob after this defeat. After this loss I would be calling for a brutal early morning practice as for the Riders this loss is unacceptable. Especially considering Flyers had a really tough mid week European game as well. I can't see even Leicester fans being able to defend this result! Is it just my imagination spacejammer or do you attempt to make these ridiculous comparisons to past Eagles teams any time Riders lose a game? Despite this being our worst season for some time we've arguably still had a slightly better time of it domestically than Eagles so far. The two sides are similarly placed in the league and we came within a few seconds of making the Trophy final. The H2H is also lopsided in Riders' favour. 3-1 across all competitions with a +42 point differential. If we win our next game we still have a realistic chance of finishing 3rd and I'd be pretty surprised if we finished lower than 5th. In what world is this in any way similar to Eagles finishing 8th/9th in the league and failing to qualify for/getting bounced out in the first round of every cup competition. You're gonna have to do a better job of explaining this because I see no parallels whatsoever. Not sure Rob's ever throwing the towel in but I'm pretty certain we'll see changes next season. Ironically, I think if we'd only replaced Bridges and the other two had stayed we'd be a much better team. Were they cut or did they opt to leave? Given that we were sub .500 prior to the changes and have gone 11-6 since it's hard to be too critical. Bridges was a bit of a one trick pony and talented though I think Asberry is, I don't think a 6'3" scoring guard would add a massive amount to a team with Allen, Mackenzie, Lall and Holmes. The one I'm still scratching my head over a bit is Pinson. The comments Rob made after the changes appeared to tar all three players with the same brush but there had been no evidence up to that point of Pinson being unprofessional, a bad locker room guy, etc. And I definitely think we'd be a better team if he was still here. No one else has said it but for my money, Conner is really quite struggling at the moment. And I don't think Rob is showing anything like the same level of trust in him that he was 2-3 years ago. If he still had that same confidence in Conner I suspect Kimbal wouldn't even have been in the game to commit that terrible foul at the end of the first half against Bristol. There was also a spot in the Trophy semi where Kimbal picked up his 3rd PF with about four minutes left in the 2nd quarter and instead of turning to Conner, which he surely would have done 100 times out of 100 in that situation in the past, he decided to play the remainder of the half without a PG and with Holmes as the primary ball handler. Conner has racked up a ton of negative +/-s this season, even in games that we've comfortably won. And he's pretty much playing a last man off the bench type role these days. Everyone knows he can shoot the ball but aside from the occasional three point bomb I don't think he's giving us much at all at the moment. He looked like he was having a hart time just keeping hold of the ball against Flyers, never mind getting us into any sort of offense. I've no doubt whatsoever Pinson would be giving us a lot more. He easily has the talent to be a good player at this level. He showed us that on numerous occasions whilst he was here. Even if we decided to bump him back into a bench role, I think he and Mackenzie could potentially have developed into a bit of a two headed monster at the PG spot. Could have played both together against the smaller teams too. As it is we find ourselves relying very heavily on one guy at the position. And when that guy subs out, the drop off is substantial. Pinson incidentally has been playing a bit in the G League lately. Not sure whether he's still on a team or not but the fact that he's getting opportunities in that league says something for his ability. Did riders lose another game? Excellent |
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 13, 2024 0:07:30 GMT
Wow! Boy how the tables have turned. Looks like Leicester are really starting to go through the same motions of what Eagles have been going through the past few seasons. Relying on one superstar player who didn't exactly light it up today along with a team of average BBL stars right now and veterans. After this result wouldn't suprise me if Riders end up in the bottom half of the playoff draw. I'd love to see the behind the scenes reaction from Rob after this defeat. After this loss I would be calling for a brutal early morning practice as for the Riders this loss is unacceptable. Especially considering Flyers had a really tough mid week European game as well. I can't see even Leicester fans being able to defend this result! Is it just my imagination spacejammer or do you attempt to make these ridiculous comparisons to past Eagles teams any time Riders lose a game? Despite this being our worst season for some time we've arguably still had a slightly better time of it domestically than Eagles so far. The two sides are similarly placed in the league and we came within a few seconds of making the Trophy final. The H2H is also lopsided in Riders' favour. 3-1 across all competitions with a +42 point differential. If we win our next game we still have a realistic chance of finishing 3rd and I'd be pretty surprised if we finished lower than 5th. In what world is this in any way similar to Eagles finishing 8th/9th in the league and failing to qualify for/getting bounced out in the first round of every cup competition. You're gonna have to do a better job of explaining this because I see no parallels whatsoever. Not sure Rob's ever throwing the towel in but I'm pretty certain we'll see changes next season. Ironically, I think if we'd only replaced Bridges and the other two had stayed we'd be a much better team. Were they cut or did they opt to leave? Given that we were sub .500 prior to the changes and have gone 11-6 since it's hard to be too critical. Bridges was a bit of a one trick pony and talented though I think Asberry is, I don't think a 6'3" scoring guard would add a massive amount to a team with Allen, Mackenzie, Lall and Holmes. The one I'm still scratching my head over a bit is Pinson. The comments Rob made after the changes appeared to tar all three players with the same brush but there had been no evidence up to that point of Pinson being unprofessional, a bad locker room guy, etc. And I definitely think we'd be a better team if he was still here. No one else has said it but for my money, Conner is really quite struggling at the moment. And I don't think Rob is showing anything like the same level of trust in him that he was 2-3 years ago. If he still had that same confidence in Conner I suspect Kimbal wouldn't even have been in the game to commit that terrible foul at the end of the first half against Bristol. There was also a spot in the Trophy semi where Kimbal picked up his 3rd PF with about four minutes left in the 2nd quarter and instead of turning to Conner, which he surely would have done 100 times out of 100 in that situation in the past, he decided to play the remainder of the half without a PG and with Holmes as the primary ball handler. Conner has racked up a ton of negative +/-s this season, even in games that we've comfortably won. And he's pretty much playing a last man off the bench type role these days. Everyone knows he can shoot the ball but aside from the occasional three point bomb I don't think he's giving us much at all at the moment. He looked like he was having a hart time just keeping hold of the ball against Flyers, never mind getting us into any sort of offense. I've no doubt whatsoever Pinson would be giving us a lot more. He easily has the talent to be a good player at this level. He showed us that on numerous occasions whilst he was here. Even if we decided to bump him back into a bench role, I think he and Mackenzie could potentially have developed into a bit of a two headed monster at the PG spot. Could have played both together against the smaller teams too. As it is we find ourselves relying very heavily on one guy at the position. And when that guy subs out, the drop off is substantial. Pinson incidentally has been playing a bit in the G League lately. Not sure whether he's still on a team or not but the fact that he's getting opportunities in that league says something for his ability. In response no not everytime you lose as I can understand and expect Riders just like all teams will lose a game at some point no matter how stacked or talented their team or coach is.But given that Riders got not only beat but their ass handed to them.For me or anyone not to look at that result and say something is crazy.And yes I know the Eagles have had poor results too but we took our punches and atleast admitted we weren't great and even laughed at it at times in order to numb the pain of it.However in regards to the Riders back when they were on top their were some fans who believed that Riders we're so great their run was never going to end and Rob was always going to be such the magician that you'll never have a bad season or Riders will make a mistake again.And suprise suprise this season things haven't gone great for Riders.Plus before the season tipped off their was a lot of talk about how our recruitment was lazy since we recruited experienced BBL players despite us having a revolving door show last season which is why i said our recruitment makes sense.While Leicester kept some veterans and recruited mostly rookies at the start of the season and then got rid of 3 come November. And are now playing through Teddy Allen mostly which gives me the impression if he doesn't show up then Riders are less likely to win.Similar to how we relied alot of Javion Hamlet last season to carry us.You are right about the Eagles things have been rough for us but we did lose our legendary head coach and weren't in denial when it didn't work out we were bad in the past 2 seasons but we knew it was rebuild phase and we had a new coach in charge under Mac then Steutel. But unlike the Riders we weren't naieve to that fact that once Fab left and as the league changed we were going to be top dogs forever.As for comparison given the rivalry between Eagles and Riders their is always going to be comparison between both the clubs and the organisations regardless. And in that comparison their will be things Eagles do better and things Riders do better to.And whilst I'm critical of Riders now I will say when you guys have done well like 2 seasons ago.I am always humble and happy to give Leicester credit when it is due.As for the head to head this season yes early on Riders were better and beat us but that was when this Eagles team was finding their feet.[Apart from the last Trophy game where I expected us to lose but we put in a brave performance given we were shorthanded.I think now come the final game of yhe regular season between the 2 teams I would favour us to beat Leicester currently despite our inconsistentcy at times.But would rather let the game itself do the talking on that one on the 31st March 2024. |
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Post by irf on Mar 13, 2024 8:22:36 GMT
Eagles stopped being top dogs for 2 or 3 seasons before Fab left Spacejammer?
He almost had to go at that stage to try something new as the decline was already underway?
Not that replacements have worked yet of course
Combination of an aging Eagles team and other squads getting more athletic and deeper at same time was what Fab faced
IMO
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Post by D44 on Mar 13, 2024 9:39:01 GMT
Eagles stopped being top dogs for 2 or 3 seasons before Fab left Spacejammer? He almost had to go at that stage to try something new as the decline was already underway? Not that replacements have worked yet of course Combination of an aging Eagles team and other squads getting more athletic and deeper at same time was what Fab faced IMO Budget cuts due to loosing Esh Group as sponsor and new arena move IRF. No surprises after finally finding a new title sponsor this year we've been able to recruit a highly competitive team (finally) |
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 13, 2024 9:59:43 GMT
Eagles stopped being top dogs for 2 or 3 seasons before Fab left Spacejammer? He almost had to go at that stage to try something new as the decline was already underway? Not that replacements have worked yet of course Combination of an aging Eagles team and other squads getting more athletic and deeper at same time was what Fab faced IMO Under Fab the worse I saw us finish was 3rd place. Right now if we were offered 3rd or even 4th place I would take it. But him along with Paul Blake built our success and by the time he left which was for a well deserved fantastic NBA opportunity we were in a good place. Following that under Mac the season sadly did not finish due to Covid but we won one Trophy then finished 4th at the end of 2021 season but had won the Cup and Playoffs. After that season I knew a reshuffle was needed and thought we would maybe do better the following year then finished 9th 2 season ago. Then 8th last season which was a slight improvement after a turbulent season. And now this season whilst we're not the best team in the league we are now looking to rise again. My lesson for Leicester in this is is this season hasn't been great but the same thing could happen to them and next season they might not make the the playoffs. And when fans says other organisations are copying the Eagles style both good and bad right now it seems like Leicester are heading in that direction with the 1 man team thing under Allen. And this was what I had been saying a few seasons ago when I said enjoy the success because it won't neccessarily last forever. Yet despite that again some fans did not believe it was ever going to come to that and Rob will prevail no matter what. As for who the new top dogs are even if we take Lions out the picture neither Riders or Eagles may retain the crown so easy as you look at the Nix and Gladiators right now and they seem to have strengthen as well. And if that ends up being the case we could even end up with a new rivalry and a new age for the league if that happens. |
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Post by johnjack on Mar 13, 2024 10:29:50 GMT
It’s a bit of the nature of basketball as a sport aswell. Most players are what I guess you could call journeymen pro. Once one league finishes they move onto the next. Larry Austen Jr went off to play in New Zealand before his return to Phx at the start of last season. Players need to be playing to make money esp when wages aren’t really that good and contracts are only a number of months rather than years. Same goes for cash strapped clubs aswell. The Nix are essentially a community club running on a shoestring budget. We won’t be able to keep Q, Rai, Chargois et al next year if they want to go, other clubs can pay more (can’t begrudge them either, a basketball career is very short and you have to make the most of it) and the it will be another rebuild. Think about it, Phx have been to 3 trophy finals out of the last 3, all with essentially completely different rosters. It says something about the recruiting ability of James Brice, Ben Thomas and their team. I don’t know if I can see the Phx playing in Europe either even if the do some how make it a Trophy and Playoffs double (which there is an outside chance of, my wardrobe needs another bright orange t-shirt). The club just isn’t big enough. This is part of basketball I don’t like, and I think hurts the sport in the UK. Entry to European competition should be based on attainment and success rather than money but that is probably another point. Basket ball seems very much like the confusing mess that is cricket, with multiple different tournaments all over th play and short player contracts with no real contiguous overall focus which enables teams to get their identity. Agree with everything you say BUT sometimes it's not always about the money. Players approaching the end of their playing careers, players with young families looking to possibly put down roots/ fall in love also make different choices. Here's hoping Rai has found a lifelong partner this season!!! Taylor King anyone ? I think we may have a chance of keeping Skyler. I feel like he has had a rough year or two and is feeling the love of the Nixnation. Love seeing someone play with his passion. |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Mar 14, 2024 18:48:22 GMT
In response no not everytime you lose as I can understand and expect Riders just like all teams will lose a game at some point no matter how stacked or talented their team or coach is.But given that Riders got not only beat but their ass handed to them.For me or anyone not to look at that result and say something is crazy.And yes I know the Eagles have had poor results too but we took our punches and atleast admitted we weren't great and even laughed at it at times in order to numb the pain of it.However in regards to the Riders back when they were on top their were some fans who believed that Riders we're so great their run was never going to end and Rob was always going to be such the magician that you'll never have a bad season or Riders will make a mistake again.And suprise suprise this season things haven't gone great for Riders.Plus before the season tipped off their was a lot of talk about how our recruitment was lazy since we recruited experienced BBL players despite us having a revolving door show last season which is why i said our recruitment makes sense.While Leicester kept some veterans and recruited mostly rookies at the start of the season and then got rid of 3 come November. And are now playing through Teddy Allen mostly which gives me the impression if he doesn't show up then Riders are less likely to win.Similar to how we relied alot of Javion Hamlet last season to carry us.You are right about the Eagles things have been rough for us but we did lose our legendary head coach and weren't in denial when it didn't work out we were bad in the past 2 seasons but we knew it was rebuild phase and we had a new coach in charge under Mac then Steutel. But unlike the Riders we weren't naieve to that fact that once Fab left and as the league changed we were going to be top dogs forever.As for comparison given the rivalry between Eagles and Riders their is always going to be comparison between both the clubs and the organisations regardless. And in that comparison their will be things Eagles do better and things Riders do better to.And whilst I'm critical of Riders now I will say when you guys have done well like 2 seasons ago.I am always humble and happy to give Leicester credit when it is due.As for the head to head this season yes early on Riders were better and beat us but that was when this Eagles team was finding their feet.[Apart from the last Trophy game where I expected us to lose but we put in a brave performance given we were shorthanded.I think now come the final game of yhe regular season between the 2 teams I would favour us to beat Leicester currently despite our inconsistentcy at times.But would rather let the game itself do the talking on that one on the 31st March 2024. You're welcome to say whatever you want when Riders lose a game. I'd just suggest saying something that makes a bit more sense than these bizarre Eagles comparisons that you've attempted to make on multiple occasions now. We're currently 5th in the standings, we had a pretty good run in the Trophy and just the other week we beat the second best team in the league, despite a player we're apparently dependent on getting ejected in the first half. If we end the season in some massive slump, fall to 8th in the league and get bounced out of the playoffs in the first round then feel free to dig up this thread and say I told you so. But right now there is absolutely no comparison at all to be made between this year's Riders and the 2021/22 or 2022/23 Eagles. We've not been anywhere near that poor... Despite Sunday's abomination of a result. I assume when you say that some Riders fans were naïve and thought we'd dominate British basketball for eternity, you're referring to IRF. And tbh I don't think anyone, even IRF, actually believed that. This has been something of a down year for a side that hasn't finished outside the top three since 2014. But as down years go, I'd suggest it's a pretty respectable looking one at this stage. Relative to spending I reckon it's probably actually about par. I'm reasonably confident that three of the four teams currently above us will have spent more money this season. did pinson not have 4 colleges in 4 years? there's always a reason Nah you're getting him mixed up with Ted. Pinson spent three years at Missouri then transferred to LSU. He apparently then had a 5th year of eligibility and transferred again after the coach who recruited him to LSU got sacked. |
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