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Post by johnjack on Feb 27, 2024 15:31:31 GMT
Fantasy time......
Wavey lines on the screen an all.
Over the next five years which NBL teams do you think could/should/would move to BBL in an expansion of 2/5/10 teams?
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Post by milehigh on Feb 27, 2024 15:53:23 GMT
When 777 collapes, as they will, it will be a time for consolidation and rebuilding for the remains of the BBL. Therefore it is unlikely there will be any expansion for many years.
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Post by tallerman on Feb 27, 2024 16:11:49 GMT
Or
Remove the bbl. All teams currently in the bbl stay in the top league but we have promotion and relegations from every league. I can see absolutely no advantage to basketball in having this. You can still have venue requirements like they do in football without having a franchise only top flight
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Post by dexter on Feb 27, 2024 17:05:31 GMT
Or Remove the bbl. All teams currently in the bbl stay in the top league but we have promotion and relegations from every league. I can see absolutely no advantage to basketball in having this. You can still have venue requirements like they do in football without having a franchise only top flight Yes have venue requirements but no need to make them too onerous. The main requirement should be a clean looking floor. Anything more than three sets of lines looks awful on TV |
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Post by johnjack on Feb 27, 2024 18:29:28 GMT
When 777 collapes, as they will, it will be a time for consolidation and rebuilding for the remains of the BBL. Therefore it is unlikely there will be any expansion for many years. Rather than being blinded by the hate of 777 what teams would see coming into a top division. Trailblazers, Worcester Wolves etc etc. Northern and Southern Conferences maybe 2 divisions in each….. |
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Post by D44 on Feb 27, 2024 18:30:29 GMT
The no less crappy than Bristol rule needs to apply for venues, but on the other hand we don't need to go back to having what are essentially Uni teams in the BBL. NBL should be the top level of Uni basketball and BBL should be the professional league, I wouldn't have promotion and relegation between the two.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Feb 27, 2024 21:33:27 GMT
The no less crappy than Bristol rule needs to apply for venues, but on the other hand we don't need to go back to having what are essentially Uni teams in the BBL. NBL should be the top level of Uni basketball and BBL should be the professional league, I wouldn't have promotion and relegation between the two. Why not when Uni teams could theoretically be better than non uni teams? I hate the franchise model. It’s based on asset protection for the owners as per the US model, but it stunts competitiveness because the bottom teams have no incentive to play hard in the last few months of the season when playoffs are basically out the picture. |
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on Feb 27, 2024 22:12:09 GMT
I'd rather a UK & Ireland League but with Regionalised Conferences So like Ireland would be All Ireland featuring sides from both Northern & Republic of Ireland Then you'd have 2 Conferences on the Mainland, Northern England & Scotland then Southern England & Wales.
Scrap all teams and start again with new teams and so that squads are balanced you could have a draft system for Local players like British & Irish players, like for example A Glasgow team could sign 1 Scottish player then have the pick of the rest of the best British & Irish players, I'd impose a limit on Foreign players so that British players get a chance to get time on Court, the more time they get the more chance they might get selected at National Team Level.
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Post by spacejammer on Feb 27, 2024 22:40:13 GMT
Well looking around the UK theirs alot of pocket regions where you could stick a new franchise although question is where?
In my head ideally I would like to see these locations...
-Edinburgh
-Cardiff
-Birmingham
-Liverpool
-Nottingham
-Leeds
-Southampton
-Belfast
More likely from looking at the NBL though from what I can see at the moment your more likely to get.
-Worthing
-Derby
-Reading
-Birmingham (for the 4th time)
To be honest it would be good to see any new franchise in the league at the moment so long a current franchise doesn't also evaporate in the process.
I think the idea of promotion and relegation right now is unlikely to happen any time soon.
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Post by dexter on Feb 27, 2024 23:50:22 GMT
I'd rather a UK & Ireland League but with Regionalised Conferences So like Ireland would be All Ireland featuring sides from both Northern & Republic of Ireland Then you'd have 2 Conferences on the Mainland, Northern England & Scotland then Southern England & Wales. Scrap all teams and start again with new teams and so that squads are balanced you could have a draft system for Local players like British & Irish players, like for example A Glasgow team could sign 1 Scottish player then have the pick of the rest of the best British & Irish players, I'd impose a limit on Foreign players so that British players get a chance to get time on Court, the more time they get the more chance they might get selected at National Team Level. I like this idea. It works mathematically. At the moment we have 10 teams, play eachother 4 times in the Championship regular season; 36 games each. If there were 5 teams in each conference; play teams in your conference 4 times and teams outside your conference twice, that is also 36 games each. Ireland could probably manage 5 teams. Belfast, Galway, Cork, North Dublin, South Dublin. The British teams could be more or less what we currently have. The main problem is the Irish teams won't be very good. The teams in Ireland would require investment in players. |
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Post by cosbyrider on Feb 28, 2024 11:24:12 GMT
In a fantasy world, my absolute musts would be Birmingham, Liverpool and potentially a north based London franchise.
All three cities are rich in grass roots basketball. A rival team for Lions would create a decent derby and actually think the two could play off each other.
After that I’d have a second Scottish team, Brighton and rather out there, Norwich. The latter has a complete lack of secondary sports team after football. No cricket. No rugby. No hockey. No speedway.
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Post by cosbyrider on Feb 28, 2024 11:25:30 GMT
Or Remove the bbl. All teams currently in the bbl stay in the top league but we have promotion and relegations from every league. I can see absolutely no advantage to basketball in having this. You can still have venue requirements like they do in football without having a franchise only top flight I can. I think poor arenas and facilities are cutting your nose to spite your face. As a presentation on TV and as a night out for any families visiting. |
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Post by dexter on Feb 28, 2024 11:39:46 GMT
Or Remove the bbl. All teams currently in the bbl stay in the top league but we have promotion and relegations from every league. I can see absolutely no advantage to basketball in having this. You can still have venue requirements like they do in football without having a franchise only top flight I can. I think poor arenas and facilities are cutting your nose to spite your face. As a presentation on TV and as a night out for any families visiting. He said there should be venue requirements. |
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Post by cosbyrider on Feb 28, 2024 16:10:07 GMT
I can. I think poor arenas and facilities are cutting your nose to spite your face. As a presentation on TV and as a night out for any families visiting. He said there should be venue requirements. My bad |
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Post by SamH on Feb 28, 2024 18:40:46 GMT
Don't forget Worthing already tried, spent 3 seasons in bbl, 2 of them totally hopeless, then decided it wasn't financially viable and went back to the NBL. So something would need to change for teams like that to be able to do it financially.
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Post by erj14 on Feb 29, 2024 0:30:54 GMT
Don't forget Worthing already tried, spent 3 seasons in bbl, 2 of them totally hopeless, then decided it wasn't financially viable and went back to the NBL. So something would need to change for teams like that to be able to do it financially. That's the issue. If Worthing are already getting good crowds or sell outs, then being in the BBL will see costs go up while having the same income. Just doesn't make sense for them. Same goes for any club, unless they own their own arena. |
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Post by spacejammer on Feb 29, 2024 7:35:39 GMT
Don't forget Worthing already tried, spent 3 seasons in bbl, 2 of them totally hopeless, then decided it wasn't financially viable and went back to the NBL. So something would need to change for teams like that to be able to do it financially. That's the issue. If Worthing are already getting good crowds or sell outs, then being in the BBL will see costs go up while having the same income. Just doesn't make sense for them. Same goes for any club, unless they own their own arena. Wouldn't you not raise the price if your playing in a higher league? I know that's not what fans want to hear but if your playing in a stronger league it what your would expect? I believed getting the team to the BBL was one of the aims of Zaire Taylor when he took them over. |
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Post by silverbirch on Feb 29, 2024 9:41:20 GMT
I think it comes down to what value and purpose you put on being in the BBL. As many have said if a clubs purpose is financial sustainability and delivery a broad reach of basketball activities then why would moving to the BBL benefit over staying in the National League.
If the purpose was an investment process looking for longer term returns then the constant 'potential' of the BBL and where it could go then entering the league makes sense.
I know that 'having skin in the game' is an important part of being a success in the BBL but it is a far more complicated and bigger project than just a basketball club, in fact if you look at all the NBA teams individual mission statements / strategies they pretty much are all becoming entertainment businesses not basketball clubs.
Its always going to be difficult in the UK where sport is generally about promotion and relegation and the dream of gong from grass roots to being the best in the land (see Wrexham, Dorking Wanders and Luton for football examples of this) to then have this very US franchise based closed shop league. Even the discussions around aggregate scoring against no. of game series i playoffs make me chuckle as the basketball purists will argue how important the series is, however the UK public is very comfortable with aggregate scoring as all multi legged champions league football games operate that way.
I'm now aware i'm rambling away from the topic but ultimately being in the BBL doesn't have to be the ultimate destination for NBL clubs and they are actually 2 very different products that do sit alongside each other relatively comfortably - NBL focused on performance pathways, community and local in event delivery, whilst BBL focus on the broadcast and media product, entertainment output of what basketball can do globally
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Post by benji on Feb 29, 2024 14:34:29 GMT
More likely from looking at the NBL though from what I can see at the moment your more likely to get. -Worthing
You can keep your 777 investment to yourselves, we're good thanks! |
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Post by mac on Mar 1, 2024 0:37:22 GMT
I'd rather a UK & Ireland League but with Regionalised Conferences So like Ireland would be All Ireland featuring sides from both Northern & Republic of Ireland Then you'd have 2 Conferences on the Mainland, Northern England & Scotland then Southern England & Wales. Scrap all teams and start again with new teams and so that squads are balanced you could have a draft system for Local players like British & Irish players, like for example A Glasgow team could sign 1 Scottish player then have the pick of the rest of the best British & Irish players, I'd impose a limit on Foreign players so that British players get a chance to get time on Court, the more time they get the more chance they might get selected at National Team Level. I like this idea. It works mathematically. At the moment we have 10 teams, play eachother 4 times in the Championship regular season; 36 games each. If there were 5 teams in each conference; play teams in your conference 4 times and teams outside your conference twice, that is also 36 games each. Ireland could probably manage 5 teams. Belfast, Galway, Cork, North Dublin, South Dublin. The British teams could be more or less what we currently have. The main problem is the Irish teams won't be very good. The teams in Ireland would require investment in players. Sorry mate but your maths appear flawed to me. If we lose Lions and Plymouth and assume a buyer for the Manchester Franchise that's 8 current BBL teams. Also any team from anywhere in the Island of Ireland would face huge logistical problems and costs traveling to mainland Britain for away games. As would BBL teams traveling to them. That's quite apart from the huge investment needed to get these teams to a competitive standard. Who pays? |
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