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Post by spacejammer on Dec 24, 2023 10:50:36 GMT
Over the past week I have seen afew articles on BBC Sport Basketball basically laughing at the Pistons for being so bad this.
With things even being so bad fans were apparently even chanting "Sell the team!".
But when I look at their NBA G League affiliated team the Motor City Cruise which I follow because of Tosan from the Eagles.
They seem to be 2nd in the Central Division of the G League right now.
It made me wonder if their doing so bad in the league why Detriot doesn't just call upon some their players from Motor City to step up instead.
For the record I'm not overly familiar with the rules with an NBA player transitioning between the G League and vice versa.
So if their is something I'm missing please enlighten me.
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Post by dexter on Dec 24, 2023 12:50:11 GMT
I think there must be a huge difference in standard between the NBA and the G League. Rio Grand Valley Vipers are one of the most successful G League teams, and their affiliated NBA is Houston Rockets who are generally not very good. There can't be many G League players who can make an impact in the NBA.
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Post by spacejammer on Dec 24, 2023 14:38:43 GMT
I think there must be a huge difference in standard between the NBA and the G League. Rio Grand Valley Vipers are one of the most successful G League teams, and their affiliated NBA is Houston Rockets who are generally not very good. There can't be many G League players who can make an impact in the NBA. Thanks that also goes back to one of my previous questions when I asked how would a BBL team stack up against a NBA G League team? In theory you would think the G-League would be the 2nd best league to the NBA as it would be like the equivalent of the EFL Championship to the Premier League in football. Yet we have a lot of players who used to play in NBA G League sides also play in the BBL to. However I have never heard of an NBA G League team playing against an NBA side at all not even in pre season. Right now though the way the Pistons are struggling you think the G League side would also be able to beat them. |
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Post by dexter on Dec 24, 2023 17:01:13 GMT
I think there must be a huge difference in standard between the NBA and the G League. Rio Grand Valley Vipers are one of the most successful G League teams, and their affiliated NBA is Houston Rockets who are generally not very good. There can't be many G League players who can make an impact in the NBA. Thanks that also goes back to one of my previous questions when I asked how would a BBL team stack up against a NBA G League team? In theory you would think the G-League would be the 2nd best league to the NBA as it would be like the equivalent of the EFL Championship to the Premier League in football. Yet we have a lot of players who used to play in NBA G League sides also play in the BBL to. However I have never heard of an NBA G League team playing against an NBA side at all not even in pre season. Right now though the way the Pistons are struggling you think the G League side would also be able to beat them. In the 2023 FIBA Intercontinental Cup Rio Grand Valley Vipers lost to Sao Paulo 91-70. Sao Paulo then lost to Lenovo Tenerife 89-68 in the final. I expect London Lions are better than the average G League team. Maybe Rio Grand Valley Vipers are similar standard to London Lions. |
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Post by spacejammer on Dec 24, 2023 17:14:41 GMT
Thanks that also goes back to one of my previous questions when I asked how would a BBL team stack up against a NBA G League team? In theory you would think the G-League would be the 2nd best league to the NBA as it would be like the equivalent of the EFL Championship to the Premier League in football. Yet we have a lot of players who used to play in NBA G League sides also play in the BBL to. However I have never heard of an NBA G League team playing against an NBA side at all not even in pre season. Right now though the way the Pistons are struggling you think the G League side would also be able to beat them. In the 2023 FIBA Intercontinental Cup Rio Grand Valley Vipers lost to Sao Paulo 91-70. Sao Paulo then lost to Lenovo Tenerife 89-68 in the final. I expect London Lions are better than the average G League team. Maybe Rio Grand Valley Vipers are similar standard to London Lions. I remember someone did pose a similar question to can this London Lions team defeat or challenge an NBA team. Whilst I still 80% believe it would be unlikely. After seeing this statistic on how bad Detriot is who knows maybe they might have have a chance. Maybe if Lions somehow beat them then perhaps they would officially sell the team away ha ha. However back on a serious note Detriot are going to need to do something if they want to turn their franchise around right now or else they'll become an even bigger laughing stock. |
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Post by SamH on Dec 24, 2023 19:40:04 GMT
They have now tied the single season record of 26 straight losses. The all time record across 2 seasons is 28. Their next 3 games are against Brooklyn, Boston and Toronto. 2 of those games are winnable but we'll have to see. We might witness history here. Considering the 1972 Sixers didn't have a streak this long, and they went 9-73, that puts in perspective how bad this really is. The funny thing is Detroit started the season 2-1! Now 2-27...🫣
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Post by milehigh on Dec 27, 2023 3:37:05 GMT
By losing to, a very poor, Brooklyn Nets tonight, Detroit have set a new NBA record of 27 consecutive losses.
Detroit are a long way from being a competitive side.
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Post by SamH on Dec 27, 2023 9:07:26 GMT
Ouch. It is good to see a piece of history but at the same time you kind of feel uncomfortable for them and want it to be over. Next game is Boston so its going to 28 almost certainly.
Its not on coach Williams at all but I wonder what the Pistons top brass feel about the fact they signed him this summer as the highest paid coach in the league!
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Post by milehigh on Dec 27, 2023 9:57:15 GMT
It wasn't an enjoyable game to watch, with two very poor sides.
Not sure what their budget and draft picks situation is, but I'd think a total rebuild of the side is needed, including a very experienced positive influence type player to help rebuild the team culture.
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Post by milehigh on Dec 29, 2023 3:51:42 GMT
As expected, Boston won overnight, extending the losing streak to 28.
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Post by SamH on Dec 29, 2023 11:01:08 GMT
I wouldn't say what happened there was expected, aside from the actual winner and loser. Detroit led by 21 and after blowing that, were able to battle back to force overtime before losing. On the road against the Celtics who are perfect at home this season, that was impressive and I felt sorry for them that they still didn't quite get it done. What a way that would have been to end the streak.
That showed heart and courage though and I actually think it sets them up to beat Toronto next game and avoid setting a new all time futility mark.
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Post by SamH on Dec 31, 2023 2:14:07 GMT
It's nice to be right! Pistons finally win, beating Toronto but just 2. Considering the Raptors did them a huge favour by trading away half their team earlier today, I was a bit surprised they didn't win by more. Very lucky to avoid the all time record but they do have the single season record and tied for longest ever.
What annoys me is that the Pistons are one of the NBAs flagship teams, so important in the leagues history and so dominant at times in their history. And much like the Knicks (another flagship team) for most this century, the Pistons have sucked for a good decade or so now. Its sad to look back at how good they were in the Billups/Sheed/Ben Wallace era to now. Just unable to rebuild as anything competitive. As a Thunder fan I'm not used to rebuilds failing, especially time after time. Its just a shame its happening to this once great franchise.
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Post by cosbyrider on Dec 31, 2023 12:56:34 GMT
As a Pistons sufferer, my sleeping pattern this week has been highly challenging.
I really don’t know what to make of the team. So much potential but so untidy at times. Can’t blame that experience isn’t there as well.
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Post by spacejammer on Dec 31, 2023 12:57:48 GMT
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Post by spacejammer on Jan 14, 2024 9:36:47 GMT
Just had a look at NBA results and it seems like despite beating Raptors at the end of last year the Pistons are on another losing streak as they have lost 7-0 so far in 2024.
I'm starting to wonder if their ever been a team this bad in the NBA?
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Post by milehigh on Jan 14, 2024 9:53:04 GMT
Probably not.
The trade deadline is soon, but Detroit have few players that would be of value to other teams in a trade, and who would really want to go there on a short term contract.
There is probably very few players in the G-league who could help, NBA teams have a 15 man squad, with 3 of those being on two way contracts with the teams G-league side.
The G-league player of the month for December was Colin Gillespie of Denver/Grand rapids, who was averaging a triple double in G-league games, but is not, yet, part of the regular rotation with Denver.
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Post by naenia on Jan 14, 2024 11:03:56 GMT
Just had a look at NBA results and it seems like despite beating Raptors at the end of last year the Pistons are on another losing streak as they have lost 7-0 so far in 2024. I'm starting to wonder if their ever been a team this bad in the NBA? seems to indicate that on winning percentage (.077), this team is currently on pace to record the worst ever NBA season. If they were able to carry on as is, they would finish the year on a truly incredible 6-76. Otherwise, the worst teams in NBA history are as follows: - 2012 Charlotte Bobcats (7-59) (.106)*
- 1973 Philadelphia 76ers (9-73) (.110)
- 2016 Philadelphia 76ers (10-72) (.122)
*Shortened season due to lockout. Some other little nuggets of interest from the list of worst ever seasons: - Last year's Pistons (17-65) (.207) are also on the list.
- This year has 3 teams currently on pace to record historically bad seasons - The Pistons, Wizards (6-31) (.162) and Spurs (7-30) (.189).
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Post by spacejammer on Jan 14, 2024 11:14:20 GMT
Probably not. The trade deadline is soon, but Detroit have few players that would be of value to other teams in a trade, and who would really want to go there on a short term contract. There is probably very few players in the G-league who could help, NBA teams have a 15 man squad, with 3 of those being on two way contracts with the teams G-league side. The G-league player of the month for December was Colin Gillespie of Denver/Grand rapids, who was averaging a triple double in G-league games, but is not, yet, part of the regular rotation with Denver. I'm sure afew people even BBL players would happily go to Detriot even for a 10 day contract if the money is good or they believe they could be a missing piece to turning that franchise around. Unless your a big name star and already in the NBA I'm sure their are some who see it as a stepping stone opportunity or atleast the chance to play and get NBA experience. Speaking of BBL I wonder if would Detriot possibley be interested in stealing acouple of London Lions players for 10 day contracts before the Trophy finals weekend? If 777 and the Lions were in desperate need of the money as people suspect this could be one way to foot the bill? |
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Post by SamH on Jan 14, 2024 17:09:47 GMT
I suspect the gap between the Pistons and Lions is still enormous. Guys playing for Lions obviously can't get nba contracts or they'd be there already. Its not always that every player is terrible - Cade Cunningham is a very bright prospect, or look at Sochan and Wembanyama on the Spurs. Its just that as a team they suck. Young, inexperienced, still developing and I think losing can become a habit too. But it was only a year or 2 ago that Houston was almost this bad, now they're pretty respectable.
The irony is for both teams they have excellent coaches so you can't say they're poorly coached.
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Post by milehigh on Jan 14, 2024 19:50:41 GMT
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