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Post by Stephen Abootman on Oct 3, 2023 22:51:54 GMT
Not sensing a ton of interest in this sort of stuff on here but I thought it might be worth a thread, particularly given that it's now being put to a fan vote...
I've gone for a Cheshire double personally. I reckon they've been the best performers thus far, relatively speaking. Road wins at Leicester and Newcastle and made Lions work for it Sunday. Technically that was in October not September but I'm still counting it.
Rai very obviously the lynchpin of the team. Currently top five in the BBL in scoring, rebounds and assists. And he's been very efficient in the process. Stepping up from NBL1 isn't supposed to be this easy.
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Oct 31, 2023 18:09:46 GMT
Seems I was right about the level of interest in this but I'll give it one more go. October nominees are in... Don't all rush at once to discuss!
Personally I think Miryne Thomas is a little unlucky not to be nominated. Better numbers, more TOW appearances and more wins than Robinson this month.
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Post by dandayr on Oct 31, 2023 18:39:43 GMT
thought the options on the coaching list was an interesting one - how many games did the LDN coach miss through illness? So their unbeaten run in Eurocup and British League was not all with him at the helm.
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Oct 31, 2023 19:03:39 GMT
I can't see myself voting for Bozic too often this season regardless. Nothing personal but when you have a team that is heavily fancied to win every (domestic) game it plays, it's hard to feel particularly impressed when that's precisely what happens.
It's Murray v Kapoulas this month for me. Given that this is a BBL award, I'm not entirely sure whether the European stuff should actually count. If it does I think it's got to be Murray. £ for £ I reckon that win over Wloclawek last week was probably more impressive than anything we've seen from the 777 Lions so far in Europe.
If we're disregarding the European stuff I'll side with Kapoulas and his six game win streak.
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Post by SamH on Oct 31, 2023 21:27:09 GMT
Why are they letting fans vote for these awards? They're not meant to be popularity contests!
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Post by dexter on Oct 31, 2023 21:32:52 GMT
Why are they letting fans vote for these awards? They're not meant to be popularity contests! It's for fan engagement. They're not important. |
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Post by SamH on Oct 31, 2023 21:38:47 GMT
Maybe not, but I think it's still something fairly prestigious but only if judged by people who know something about the game (95% of fans will vote for their favourite even if they do know deep down he isn't worthy). I just hope the NBA don't get hold of the idea!
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Post by dexter on Oct 31, 2023 22:11:19 GMT
Maybe not, but I think it's still something fairly prestigious but only if judged by people who know something about the game (95% of fans will vote for their favourite even if they do know deep down he isn't worthy). I just hope the NBA don't get hold of the idea! I think it's fine but there should be 2 separate awards. The fans' vote and the experts. |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Oct 31, 2023 23:24:03 GMT
Maybe not, but I think it's still something fairly prestigious but only if judged by people who know something about the game (95% of fans will vote for their favourite even if they do know deep down he isn't worthy). I just hope the NBA don't get hold of the idea! I think it's fine but there should be 2 separate awards. The fans' vote and the experts. Experts? What do they know? |
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Post by isthaturinal on Nov 1, 2023 16:57:05 GMT
I’d seen the post on Instagram but just scrolled by it, thought it was just a bunch of stats,
I’ve gone back and read it properly now
Thanks for bringing the popularity contest to our attention.
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Post by SamH on Nov 1, 2023 17:18:11 GMT
I think it's fine but there should be 2 separate awards. The fans' vote and the experts. Experts? What do they know? I think the most reliable source for a fair vote would be the coaches. Appreciate they might not have seen every player, or played every team in a month but they will have played most of them and may be privy to scouting reports etc. Coaches usually have a good idea of who to watch out for on each team. Get the assistants to vote too to make sure there are enough votes. Obviously they can't vote for their own players. This is what the NBA does to pick the all star player reserves, and they usually get it right. Unlike the fans who are so unreliable their 100% decision making has now been reduced to just 50% with the media making up the other half to pick the starters. |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Nov 1, 2023 17:27:38 GMT
There's nothing particularly prestigious about any of this though Matt Morgan and Te'Jon Lucas apparently care enough to be lobbying for votes. It is ultimately about fan engagement and... kinda just something to talk about really. I wonder if the decision to introduce a fan vote this season may be in some way related to the All Star game.
It's not like fans can just vote for any old twonk they fancy. The urrr 'experts' nominate three coaches and four players each month, using what I'm sure is an air tight, entirely scientific system. And the fans then pick the winners from there. I've had absolutely no personal feelings about any of the nominees so far.
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Post by LTfan on Nov 1, 2023 20:46:52 GMT
I can’t see a connection between these ‘awards’ and the All-Star Game. Apparently the All-Star North and All-Star South teams will be determined by a separate fan vote, with each team consisting of the 2 players with the most votes from each of the 10 teams in the league.
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Nov 2, 2023 18:17:47 GMT
I wasn't suggesting that they might be connected in a direct way. But maybe this player/coach of the month stuff is helping them to get an idea of how many fans will actually bother with the All Star game voting. If attitudes on this board are any sort indication I'm thinking it might not be too many.
Like most, I've little to no interest at all in the All Star game itself but I do kinda like the idea of rewarding good individual performers with the 'All Star' label. It clearly means something to NBA players and I think it will probably matter to BBL players too on a lesser scale. I'm also curious to see how the voting plays out. If it's being done entirely by fan vote I think that definitely leaves the door open to some pretty strange selections. Can't really see there being two remotely All Star-worthy options on every team either. But on the flip side, I suppose you don't want a South team comprised almost entirely of Lions players.
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Post by SamH on Nov 3, 2023 10:37:42 GMT
I think both the monthly awards and the ASG mean something to players - it's good for their CV for a start, and future prospects. I agree its stupid to have 2 players from every team though, that dilutes the significance of it somewhat.
The NBA voting is more than enough proof of how fans vote. In the Yao Ming days he was voted as the starting centre for the West every single year, regardless of how his season was going - even a couple of times when he'd barely played due to injury! Ok sure, you can't blame the 100 million Chinese people who voted for him, but he certainly wasn't there on merit. Grant Hill always used to get voted as a starter too, despite hardly ever playing due to injury. Nowadays it isn't so bad as the most popular players do also tend to be the best ones, but when there was a craze for voting Zaza Pachuliar (exactly) to start, that's when the league did something about it to stop the fans hijacking the game with piss takes like that.
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Post by LTfan on Nov 3, 2023 11:38:16 GMT
I think both the monthly awards and the ASG mean something to players - it's good for their CV for a start, and future prospects. I agree its stupid to have 2 players from every team though, that dilutes the significance of it somewhat. But I can understand why they've done it. It'll make the event feel more inclusive, to everyone around the country, both new and existing fans. One of the things I liked so much about the British Basketball All-Stars Championship was that it was the most inclusive of the big events... the Cup, Trophy and Play-Off finals are great, but they do each favour just 2 teams and therefore 2 groups of fans. So at least with this format I'm hoping it provides a nice opportunity for fans from all over the country to come together and socialise. And as has been said, there'd only be criticism if the All-Star South team largely just looked like the London Lions. |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Nov 3, 2023 20:17:40 GMT
Don't mind insisting that every team has a representative. They do this in MLB I believe. But I reckon one player minimum and say three players max from any one team would be a better way to do it. Wouldn't be too difficult to find three guys from a few teams who look like they belong there. Seriously hard work finding two from some of the others. Who the hell would be your second 'All Star' from Giants for example?
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