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Post by spacejammer on Sept 17, 2023 8:43:31 GMT
Hi all I just finished catching up and watching the Sky game back as I had work yesterday.
Admittedly after 1 game I feel I should maybe give it more of a chance.
Whilst I think its being mostly negative I think their are some things I like about it to. Some of my main thoughts were...
NEGATIVES
-TV timeouts: Disrupts the flow of game unnecessary and should not be used except when their is an injury or a major incident.
As well as that in the 3rd Quarter during an actual timeout they missed like 30 seconds of game play because they were late back with the coverage.
-Scorebar: The scorebar didn't highlight what colour each team was playing in and looked a little bland.
It would have been better coloured so it easier to identify which team is which.
-Halftime cutaway : At halftime they cut away to a segment with Taj Green shoe shopping which at first I was like this looks good like last season.
Then it only last like 30 seconds and seemed like it brought nothing to the coverage.
To be honest it looked like something that belonged more on an extras show on the side but if their going to use it they should commit or don't commit to it is all I'm saying.
-Halftime interview the microphone was off on TV and I don't think having the interview echo across the arena was a smart idea as it should be TV only.
POSITIVES
-The studio: Firstly I like the actual studio and think it looks great and more professional.
And I suppose it makes more sense for the league to have broadcasting from one location with the exception of 1 or 2 foot soldiers at the game I.e. Drew Lasker and Mike Tuck as it is probably easier then having them travel about the country.
-Making us aware of Youtube: Whilst we all know about the league being online for a new fan watching I think it was nice to see them aware that they can access the games on YouTube as well.
In terms of growing the league I hope they do more promotion like this as its useful to know and raise awareness of the BBL.
-Pre show and Half time report- I liked the pre show being short and sweet and the half time show had some good analysis which seemed similar to the NBA style Sprint Halftime report which I liked.
Unfortunately my tape cut late in the 4th Quarter so I didn't see the end.
I also don't think the commentators were to bad although I do miss Dan and Rowe in that respect.
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Post by dexter on Sept 17, 2023 15:42:33 GMT
On the positive side Jeanette Kwakye is a likable presenter.
Also I like how the commentators introduce themselves in their commentary booth at the start of the show and that we get to see them. Although you do lose something from the presenters not being at the venue, I think that is quite normal in basketball. I'm sure the commentator on Euroleague TV is sat in a studio and I've never thought anything of it. On the flip side commentary at the venue can easily go wrong. A lot of the time on the Basketball England YouTube channel it's the sound that doesn't work.
I like the rebrand and the consistency. The games on YouTube have exactly the same production as the Sky Sports games.
There are a few teething problems but it's only the first week.
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Post by bullets92 on Sept 18, 2023 19:21:55 GMT
A pretty small issue, but I think the team colours on the score board were there. Just the team colours were quite bland and similar (black and grey) that it was very difficult to see
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Post by LTfan on Sept 19, 2023 9:48:57 GMT
I gave an initial review elsewhere so I won’t repeat myself, but in summary I don’t think the new Sky coverage is at all bad, I just don’t think it’s as good as the old Sky coverage.
A couple of additional points I’ve not yet mentioned…
It’s not necessarily the additional TV timeouts that I find frustrating, it’s the decision to put adverts in just about every time out throughout the coverage. Previously adverts were limited to outside gameplay, i.e. in-between quarters, halftime, etc. I appreciate from a broadcasters perspective it’s preferable to have more short advert breaks than less long advert breaks… but that doesn’t mean I can’t find it more annoying. The amount of adverts included is the same, but this way really breaks up the flow of watching the game.
And don’t get me started on doing this with the YouTube coverage too, where there isn’t even any advertising to show.
Also, I totally agree with Dave F’s comments on this weeks SNB. I understand what the BBL is doing is unifying it’s coverage across Sky and YouTube so that it all largely looks the same. But I simply don’t agree with that strategy. The weekly Sky game is the BBL’s flagship broadcast. There’s nothing wrong with it being different to the YouTube coverage. The virtual studio, the commentators working off-tube… all fine for YouTube. But the Sky coverage should have everyone in the venue – like previous years. That’s how the Sky coverage of football, cricket, rugby, etc. is done so that how the Sky coverage of basketball should be done.
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Post by dexter on Sept 19, 2023 11:16:45 GMT
I gave an initial review elsewhere so I won’t repeat myself, but in summary I don’t think the new Sky coverage is at all bad, I just don’t think it’s as good as the old Sky coverage. A couple of additional points I’ve not yet mentioned… It’s not necessarily the additional TV timeouts that I find frustrating, it’s the decision to put adverts in just about every time out throughout the coverage. Previously adverts were limited to outside gameplay, i.e. in-between quarters, halftime, etc. I appreciate from a broadcasters perspective it’s preferable to have more short advert breaks than less long advert breaks… but that doesn’t mean I can’t find it more annoying. The amount of adverts included is the same, but this way really breaks up the flow of watching the game. And don’t get me started on doing this with the YouTube coverage too, where there isn’t even any advertising to show. Also, I totally agree with Dave F’s comments on this weeks SNB. I understand what the BBL is doing is unifying it’s coverage across Sky and YouTube so that it all largely looks the same. But I simply don’t agree with that strategy. The weekly Sky game is the BBL’s flagship broadcast. There’s nothing wrong with it being different to the YouTube coverage. The virtual studio, the commentators working off-tube… all fine for YouTube. But the Sky coverage should have everyone in the venue – like previous years. That’s how the Sky coverage of football, cricket, rugby, etc. is done so that how the Sky coverage of basketball should be done. On your first point I would agree with you, and it's more than just annoying. Between time outs, commercial time outs, free throws and VAR there is a lot of time where nothing is happening. For us that is annoying but for potential new fans that can be a barrier to them getting into it in the first place. We don't need commercial breaks for a game that has a thousand spectators and another thousand watching on YouTube. On your second point I agree but I don't know the difference in the cost of a game on Sky Sports last season compared to this season. This season looks like it has a much lower cost. Last season I sometimes felt like the production value was so high the quality of the basketball often didn't match it. |
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Post by LTfan on Sept 19, 2023 12:55:54 GMT
I gave an initial review elsewhere so I won’t repeat myself, but in summary I don’t think the new Sky coverage is at all bad, I just don’t think it’s as good as the old Sky coverage. A couple of additional points I’ve not yet mentioned… It’s not necessarily the additional TV timeouts that I find frustrating, it’s the decision to put adverts in just about every time out throughout the coverage. Previously adverts were limited to outside gameplay, i.e. in-between quarters, halftime, etc. I appreciate from a broadcasters perspective it’s preferable to have more short advert breaks than less long advert breaks… but that doesn’t mean I can’t find it more annoying. The amount of adverts included is the same, but this way really breaks up the flow of watching the game. And don’t get me started on doing this with the YouTube coverage too, where there isn’t even any advertising to show. Also, I totally agree with Dave F’s comments on this weeks SNB. I understand what the BBL is doing is unifying it’s coverage across Sky and YouTube so that it all largely looks the same. But I simply don’t agree with that strategy. The weekly Sky game is the BBL’s flagship broadcast. There’s nothing wrong with it being different to the YouTube coverage. The virtual studio, the commentators working off-tube… all fine for YouTube. But the Sky coverage should have everyone in the venue – like previous years. That’s how the Sky coverage of football, cricket, rugby, etc. is done so that how the Sky coverage of basketball should be done. On your first point I would agree with you, and it's more than just annoying. Between time outs, commercial time outs, free throws and VAR there is a lot of time where nothing is happening. For us that is annoying but for potential new fans that can be a barrier to them getting into it in the first place. We don't need commercial breaks for a game that has a thousand spectators and another thousand watching on YouTube. On your second point I agree but I don't know the difference in the cost of a game on Sky Sports last season compared to this season. This season looks like it has a much lower cost. Last season I sometimes felt like the production value was so high the quality of the basketball often didn't match it. You don’t need commercial breaks at all on YouTube if you don’t have any commercials to show! As for Sky I’d prefer longer, less infrequent commercial breaks (as per previous seasons). But I understand shorter, more frequent commercial breaks are preferable to broadcasters. From what I’ve heard the Sky money this season is the same/similar as previous seasons. If you think the production values this season are inferior to previous seasons that’s more of a comment on your view of the quality of BBL’s in-house production versus the quality of Buzz 16’s production. |
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Post by dexter on Sept 19, 2023 13:48:56 GMT
On your first point I would agree with you, and it's more than just annoying. Between time outs, commercial time outs, free throws and VAR there is a lot of time where nothing is happening. For us that is annoying but for potential new fans that can be a barrier to them getting into it in the first place. We don't need commercial breaks for a game that has a thousand spectators and another thousand watching on YouTube. On your second point I agree but I don't know the difference in the cost of a game on Sky Sports last season compared to this season. This season looks like it has a much lower cost. Last season I sometimes felt like the production value was so high the quality of the basketball often didn't match it. You don’t need commercial breaks at all on YouTube if you don’t have any commercials to show! As for Sky I’d prefer longer, less infrequent commercial breaks (as per previous seasons). But I understand shorter, more frequent commercial breaks are preferable to broadcasters. From what I’ve heard the Sky money this season is the same/similar as previous seasons. If you think the production values this season are inferior to previous seasons that’s more of a comment on your view of the quality of BBL’s in-house production versus the quality of Buzz 16’s production. In my opinion Buzz 16's production was second to none. |
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Post by naenia on Sept 19, 2023 16:33:12 GMT
I've only just caught up with Thursday's game and my first thought is: where the Hell are Cheshire or Surrey in the BBL's new little "I am unbeatable" opening package? All 8 other teams represented with their logos and players appearing, but no sight whatsoever of either the Nix or Scorchers. Very poor imo.
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Post by bullets92 on Sept 19, 2023 17:52:26 GMT
I've only just caught up with Thursday's game and my first thought is: where the Hell are Cheshire or Surrey in the BBL's new little "I am unbeatable" opening package? All 8 other teams represented with their logos and players appearing, but no sight whatsoever of either the Nix or Scorchers. Very poor imo. Tbf advertising Surrey as unbeatable has to be against some sort of advertising standards |
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Post by spacejammer on Sept 19, 2023 20:16:40 GMT
I've only just caught up with Thursday's game and my first thought is: where the Hell are Cheshire or Surrey in the BBL's new little "I am unbeatable" opening package? All 8 other teams represented with their logos and players appearing, but no sight whatsoever of either the Nix or Scorchers. Very poor imo. Tbf advertising Surrey as unbeatable has to be against some sort of advertising standards That comment is both brutal but also hilarious 😂 |
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Post by tony on Sept 20, 2023 9:01:32 GMT
Decent coverage I like it but the TV timeouts are annoying.
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Post by dexter on Sept 21, 2023 21:15:06 GMT
I'm very impressed with the coverage this evening. I'm only half way through watching the game but everything seems better than last week, from the commentary to the pundits. Understandably there were a few teething problems and nerves last week. This week that all seems to be sorted out. Copper Box looks amazing. So much talent on court. What a time to be a British basketball fan.
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Post by spacejammer on Sept 21, 2023 22:30:18 GMT
I'm very impressed with the coverage this evening. I'm only half way through watching the game but everything seems better than last week, from the commentary to the pundits. Understandably there were a few teething problems and nerves last week. This week that all seems to be sorted out. Copper Box looks amazing. So much talent on court. What a time to be a British basketball fan. I agree while the game was not as exciting for a neutral fan. I thought it was okay and did like the effort Drew was putting in with the courtside interviews. I dont know if many other BBL teams often attract celebrities but if they did then that would be cooler to do. One thing I do think they could do is have the colour of the teams playing a little bit clearer still but asides from that I thought the coverage was alright. And you had Mr Routledge back on comms this evening too. I wonder if this means the commentators will be Azania Stewart and a new face every week? |
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Post by LTfan on Sept 22, 2023 10:10:00 GMT
Better this week. But still not as good as previous seasons.
Great to have Dan back doing commentary. He has already said he'd be doing some Sky games, but wouldn't be the primary commentator this season. So was last nights return just one of those games or have the BBL realised their error and corrected it. Unfortunately I suspect it's the former.
I do miss Nat Coombs. Nothing wrong with Jeanette, I just preferred Nat.
And I'm still not sure about Ovie as lead analyst. Both weeks now he's been out done by his guest analysts Rob and Mike.
Drew is getting better as a courtside presenter though. I do appreciate the effort and energy he's putting into the role.
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Post by dexter on Jun 10, 2024 8:55:20 GMT
I've noticed Jeanette is the female presenter on BBC 5 Live Breakfast this week, presumably whilst the usual lady is on holiday. She's doing a great job, and I actually prefer her doing that than being the presenter for the BBL. I still think Nat Coombs was the best BBL presenter.
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