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Post by spacejammer on Sept 6, 2023 17:43:52 GMT
Oh dear. Don’t get me wrong, I love a bit of expert analysis with an American accent, but as a Brit I really don’t want my BBL commentary to be exclusively North American and as someone who’s been around the game for a long time I think the historical knowledge of the British game that people like Dan bring its them is a real plus point. Tbh even if they bring in new commentators I cannot see them getting rid of Dan R and Rowe unless they decide not to come back. And I mean let's be honest them along with Nat, Drew, Kieran and Siobhan make a cracking team. Although for some of the in-house commentary on BBL TV I do think having good knowledge and a good voice is key. At the Eagles our commentator is usual Howard although for one of the GB home games (I think it was Lativia) I did like Drew Laskers voice on the Mic. And thought his US accent made me feel like I was at an NBA game in New York. But I understand having a good voice is pointless if you don't have the knowledge though. Mind you if it jazzed it up I'd be open to seeing them have like a guest commentator for half a quarter or something or even a celebrity would be interesting. One think I would hate to see other then to many time outs would be product placements like you get in alot US sports. Like "During this stop in play we should now present the Mcvitties Digestive Dunk of the game tonight". That sort of thing I find cringe worthy and sometimes annoying. As for the BBL branching out into the US I'm not sure if it will set the world on fire but it could maybe attract some more businesses to invest in teams like Manchester for example. Although that being said given how dodgy everyone believes 777 to be I'm not sure of people would be so keen on that idea. |
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Post by D44 on Sept 6, 2023 17:44:24 GMT
That cornball American that did some of the Lions games last season was absolutely awful. There's so many great British commentators around who appreciate the history of the league and are so knowledgeable. It's a real shame that 777 have cut them off. I'll really miss Josh Bett doing Surrey and Pabz doing Plymouth for example.
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Sept 6, 2023 18:00:39 GMT
Davef certainly wasn't impressed with the USA Select dry run last night. I'm sure no one particularly *wants* to see TV timeouts introduced but is it really that big a deal? I don't see why it should slow a game down to the extent that some are suggesting on twitter. And if families getting home with their darling young cherubs a few minutes later is such a massive problem, could tip off times not just be brought forward accordingly? Feels like a bit of a storm in a teacup that one to me.
With regards to 'everyone wanting video reviews'... I'm not sure I do. I used to be very pro replay technology in sports but I've seen it implemented ineffectively so many times now that I've really soured on the whole thing. It's been scoffed at and complained about more or less from it's introduction in football and the NBA. Quite often after 10 minutes watching five different slow motion replays, over and over again, there's still no universal agreement on what the decision should be. And even in sports where the system itself is effective (eg. cricket) the process frequently takes much longer than it should. This will sound like a foreign language to any non-cricket fan but it often takes ages for 'ball tracking to load'. You get LBW reviews where we see footage of a ball going past a bat needlessly 'rock and rolled' ad infinitum when you can easily see with the naked eye that the ball's pitched six inches outside leg or is missing the stumps by a foot anyway. If slowing down the game is a major concern video reviews are surely the last thing we should be asking for? If they were introduced to the BBL I could see it being an absolutely hellish experience for all concerned.
Agree about Dan Routledge. He's pretty much the voice of the BBL. Don't think anyone knows more about the history of the league than he does. Certainly no one collects more obscure stats than him. I can understand wanting to replace some of the commentary teams around the league but Dan's a professional. If he's not involved in this season's coverage I think his contribution will be missed by many. Completely overhauling the existing broadcasting team and bringing in a bunch of Americans with no prior interest in the league would be a mistake in general I think.
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Post by foxtrot27 on Sept 6, 2023 19:42:43 GMT
Davef certainly wasn't impressed with the USA Select dry run last night. I'm sure no one particularly *wants* to see TV timeouts introduced but is it really that big a deal? I don't see why it should slow a game down to the extent that some are suggesting on twitter. And if families getting home with their darling young cherubs a few minutes later is such a massive problem, could tip off times not just be brought forward accordingly? Feels like a bit of a storm in a teacup that one to me. With regards to 'everyone wanting video reviews'... I'm not sure I do. I used to be very pro replay technology in sports but I've seen it implemented ineffectively so many times now that I've really soured on the whole thing. It's been scoffed at and complained about more or less from it's introduction in football and the NBA. Quite often after 10 minutes watching five different slow motion replays, over and over again, there's still no universal agreement on what the decision should be. And even in sports where the system itself is effective (eg. cricket) the process frequently takes much longer than it should. This will sound like a foreign language to any non-cricket fan but it often takes ages for 'ball tracking to load'. You get LBW reviews where we see footage of a ball going past a bat needlessly 'rock and rolled' ad infinitum when you can easily see with the naked eye that the ball's pitched six inches outside leg or is missing the stumps by a foot anyway. If slowing down the game is a major concern video reviews are surely the last thing we should be asking for? If they were introduced to the BBL I could see it being an absolutely hellish experience for all concerned. Agree about Dan Routledge. He's pretty much the voice of the BBL. Don't think anyone knows more about the history of the league than he does. Certainly no one collects more obscure stats than him. I can understand wanting to replace some of the commentary teams around the league but Dan's a professional. If he's not involved in this season's coverage I think his contribution will be missed by many. Completely overhauling the existing broadcasting team and bringing in a bunch of Americans with no prior interest in the league would be a mistake in general I think. Lots of great points in this post. And agree Routledge is the voice of the BBL and his supporting cast is top notch for what we have to work with. However, it’s more and more an American league with minor British influence. What did we expect to happen?? |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Sept 6, 2023 23:59:15 GMT
Is it time to start a 'bring back Dan" çampaign even before he's gone.
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Post by spacejammer on Sept 7, 2023 6:41:05 GMT
Davef certainly wasn't impressed with the USA Select dry run last night. I'm sure no one particularly *wants* to see TV timeouts introduced but is it really that big a deal? I don't see why it should slow a game down to the extent that some are suggesting on twitter. And if families getting home with their darling young cherubs a few minutes later is such a massive problem, could tip off times not just be brought forward accordingly? Feels like a bit of a storm in a teacup that one to me. With regards to 'everyone wanting video reviews'... I'm not sure I do. I used to be very pro replay technology in sports but I've seen it implemented ineffectively so many times now that I've really soured on the whole thing. It's been scoffed at and complained about more or less from it's introduction in football and the NBA. Quite often after 10 minutes watching five different slow motion replays, over and over again, there's still no universal agreement on what the decision should be. And even in sports where the system itself is effective (eg. cricket) the process frequently takes much longer than it should. This will sound like a foreign language to any non-cricket fan but it often takes ages for 'ball tracking to load'. You get LBW reviews where we see footage of a ball going past a bat needlessly 'rock and rolled' ad infinitum when you can easily see with the naked eye that the ball's pitched six inches outside leg or is missing the stumps by a foot anyway. If slowing down the game is a major concern video reviews are surely the last thing we should be asking for? If they were introduced to the BBL I could see it being an absolutely hellish experience for all concerned. Agree about Dan Routledge. He's pretty much the voice of the BBL. Don't think anyone knows more about the history of the league than he does. Certainly no one collects more obscure stats than him. I can understand wanting to replace some of the commentary teams around the league but Dan's a professional. If he's not involved in this season's coverage I think his contribution will be missed by many. Completely overhauling the existing broadcasting team and bringing in a bunch of Americans with no prior interest in the league would be a mistake in general I think. I agree with the adverts no one wants to see extra adverts and I also think extra time outs just for a TV game is a silly rule. And it could lead to teams and fans saying they only got beat because they had an extra timeout. Also let's be honest from TV ads to YouTube Ads who actually likes adverts? I understand from a business perspective the League may need it for sponsors but if it upsets the fans then I wouldn't bother implementing it. As for VAR, I remember they did mention bringing it in last season during one of the Sky games. To be honest given some of the referee errors I have seen particularly last season such as David Sloan being allowed to practically assault David Cohn. I'd be all for VAR review and to be honest in football I don't mind it to be fair. However it depends on how it is used. If each team is given one coaching challenge a game and it is used only for crucial calls that could decide the game. Then I'd be all for it as I like to think it means that more likely the correct call will be made. Whereas if they start using it for every tippy tap foul and dragging games on for to long I'd be unhappy. |
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Post by stepback3 on Sept 7, 2023 8:45:53 GMT
Assault Cohn 🤣 maybe its you that needs the replay to show the full incident.
Do the reviews like cricket. Coach gets a certain amount of challenges a match. I dont want tv timeouts. Games already lasting longer than ever with whistle happy bbl refs.
I also believe that Dan and Ant will remain on a sky game
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Post by LTfan on Sept 7, 2023 13:11:30 GMT
I also believe that Dan and Ant will remain on a sky game This time I'm talking with experience rather than any kind of actual knowledge (as I was when I broke news of the Sky deal and schedule change), but I too believe Dan will remain on the Sky coverage. I suspect the recent test broadcast (with Jeanette Kwakye hosting and Todd Harris on commentary) was that of the streaming coverage the BBL will be providing this season with their new in-house production team for the first time. What I'm not entirely sure of yet is whether the Sky coverage will continue to be out sourced and produced by Buzz 16 or whether the BBL will use their in-house production team for that too. But we'll fine out within the next few days... |
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Post by stepback3 on Sept 8, 2023 17:53:18 GMT
Sure buzz 16 are gone
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Post by dandayr on Sept 8, 2023 21:16:46 GMT
game wk 2 is Lions v Gladiators (appeared on my program guide today)
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Post by spacejammer on Sept 8, 2023 23:22:16 GMT
Doesn't look like it mate. I just googled them and they are still running. www.buzz16.uk/ |
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Post by LTfan on Sept 11, 2023 14:56:37 GMT
Doesn't look like it mate. I just googled them and they are still running. www.buzz16.uk/I think he meant 'gone' as in gone from producing the BBL coverage from Sky. Now that the BBL have established their own in-house production team (primarily for the YouTube coverage) there's a thinking they'll use them for the Sky coverage now too. Personally I've seen nothing official confirming one way or another. |
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Post by spacejammer on Sept 11, 2023 17:06:16 GMT
Doesn't look like it mate. I just googled them and they are still running. www.buzz16.uk/I think he meant 'gone' as in gone from producing the BBL coverage from Sky. Now that the BBL have established their own in-house production team (primarily for the YouTube coverage) there's a thinking they'll use them for the Sky coverage now too. Personally I've seen nothing official confirming one way or another. That's ashame I did like watching the BBL Show aswell. Although doing the shows in locations around the league did mean less regular shows which sucked having to wait. I was wondering why their has been no pre season show hyping up who they think could win and who will be ones to watch etc...? |
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Post by LTfan on Sept 11, 2023 17:28:08 GMT
I think he meant 'gone' as in gone from producing the BBL coverage from Sky. Now that the BBL have established their own in-house production team (primarily for the YouTube coverage) there's a thinking they'll use them for the Sky coverage now too. Personally I've seen nothing official confirming one way or another. That's ashame I did like watching the BBL Show aswell. Although doing the shows in locations around the league did mean less regular shows which sucked having to wait. I was wondering why their has been no pre season show hyping up who they think could win and who will be ones to watch etc...? Like you say, the lack of content pre-season is a bit surprising, and because of that all we can do is speculate… The BBL Show wasn’t a Buzz 16 production, so is entirely separate. My suspicion is that it’ll continue, or at least something similar, but probably produced in-house this time (and not by Drew Lasker’s 21 Media company). But like I say, it’s all speculation right now. |
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Post by stepback3 on Sept 11, 2023 19:01:33 GMT
The lack of anything promoting the league this season is a major concern! We got a new survey which is basically pointless but yet to have anything about tv etc.
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Post by dandayr on Sept 11, 2023 21:24:49 GMT
The lack of anything promoting the league this season is a major concern! We got a new survey which is basically pointless but yet to have anything about tv etc. I keep getting adverts in FB for the british basketball league - but they only subtly mention the league starts, in that they are saying cause the league starts here is a promotion to get Trophy or playoff tickets at 10% off to celebrate the league starting. You do wonder given the lack of pushing of the opening fixture on Thursday and that it is listed on sky - should we be reading between the lines that what is being pushed is the events the bbl directly gets the income from? |
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Post by stepback3 on Sept 12, 2023 8:23:00 GMT
Makes zero sense. There has been next to zero league central content on the league starting. To be honest most teams have been pretty poor.
Kit launches?
Captains meet up?
We've got games on thursday (2days time)
Oh they are on sky... whos the presenters?
Just mad. Weve got umpteen new specialists in content production and zero output. The central ticketing service has been binned for now to. What is going on
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Post by lochrocks on Sept 12, 2023 15:41:56 GMT
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Post by LTfan on Sept 12, 2023 20:20:13 GMT
Confirmed by Ant Rowe on Twitter, sorry - X, Buzz 16 are no longer involved in the BBL on Sky coverage. I guess it’ll all in-house from now on… I hope they know what they’re doing, a high bar to live up to.
Also, as posted elsewhere, The BBL Show will be replaced by a new weekly magazine style show - ‘Unbeatable’.
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Post by erj14 on Sept 12, 2023 23:51:33 GMT
Makes zero sense. There has been next to zero league central content on the league starting. To be honest most teams have been pretty poor. Kit launches? Captains meet up? We've got games on thursday (2days time) Oh they are on sky... whos the presenters? Just mad. Weve got umpteen new specialists in content production and zero output. The central ticketing service has been binned for now to. What is going on The league had better communication during covid when one person was doing it. Unbelievable that so much money is being spent, yet it's not being shouted about. |
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