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Post by dexter on May 14, 2023 21:16:00 GMT
Ja Morant should change his name to Ja Moron www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/65592261If he wants to act like a thug then he should retire from playing, he obviously hasn't learned his lesson with the almost weekly shootings that go in America. Agreed. But this also proves the point made above; basketball news is only sports news when it’s actually news (i.e. when something bad happens). |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on May 14, 2023 21:42:30 GMT
If it was 2 BBL stories then maybe I would agree. However most of the time BBC Sport tends to post like 80% of its basketball content about NBA plays of the week and probably like 5% BBL. It's not even that, when you look some NBA stories on there are 10 -15 days old and some are duplicates. I've only seen about Flyers entering Europe recently in |
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Post by dexter on May 22, 2023 10:28:48 GMT
RE Basketball in the media Everyone knows the NBA will grab the headlines but the only other time it gets mentioned is if something controversial happens such as that Basketbrawl involving Australia You’re absolutely correct. No mention of the Euroleague final by the BBC, but a fan being shot in Libya does make the news www.bbc.co.uk/sport/africa/65649688 |
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Post by dexter on Jun 14, 2023 15:26:02 GMT
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Post by SamH on Jun 14, 2023 16:18:18 GMT
But it is ridiculous that they say basketball is a niche sport while handing out 7 times as much money to canoeing and 11 times as much to sailing! Yeah, those are really sports with mass participation, right? Every playground and school in the country has a canoe slalom course and an ocean to sail in where we develop so much talent, and 1000s turn out every week to watch the events.  |
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Post by markb on Jun 14, 2023 16:46:35 GMT
Sorry to quote my own post. But playing does not equal participation. And don’t forget that basketball England also gets funding so it’s not like that’s all the sport gets. Not saying it couldn’t use more but I think this sport picks and chooses stats to suit Edit. Looks like basketball England gets about £1.5m scotland about .8m and wales a token amount |
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Post by dexter on Jun 14, 2023 17:25:30 GMT
But it is ridiculous that they say basketball is a niche sport while handing out 7 times as much money to canoeing and 11 times as much to sailing! Yeah, those are really sports with mass participation, right? Every playground and school in the country has a canoe slalom course and an ocean to sail in where we develop so much talent, and 1000s turn out every week to watch the events. This is mostly money generated by the National Lottery and goes to sports on the basis that they will win medals representing Great Britain. The RFU generates about £100m per year, mostly from broadcasting and ticket sales. The ECB generates more than twice as much and spends £38m on the England national cricket teams. GB basketball teams, being neither popular to watch nor something we are close to winning medals in, doesn’t generate its own income and doesn’t qualify for much Lottery funding. £500k isn’t enough though. I’m sure that’s the main reason why BBF decided to not enter a men’s team in the Olympic Games qualifiers. It seems that £500k is barely enough for women’s and age group teams. I will subscribe to GB basketball TV. Not because I think £20 is worth watching 3 Eurobasket women games, but because I want to contribute. Same as my weekly Lotto ticket. |
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Post by SamH on Jun 14, 2023 18:29:23 GMT
But I think there was a good point made in the article - basketball reaches people from more deprived and ethnic minority backgrounds. Canoeing, sailing, cycling and cricket don't. So what's more important, investing in something that the very elite of can win medals, or investing in something that can make a hugely positive impact on the lives of millions who need an outlet and something worthwhile, healthy and enjoyable to put their energy into.
Its no secret that many NBA players come from hard backgrounds, growing up in the projects or single parent homes with no money. Basketball was their way of improving their lives for the better. It can have that same impact here and I do think its great how many parks have hoops available to use, but there need to be wider opportunities for structured basketball too, starting with the pro game on down.
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Post by markb on Jun 14, 2023 18:43:42 GMT
Don’t we have football for that?
Genuine question. Culturally isn’t that the sports way out of poverty for our working class? Listen to a load of Uk grime and drill and it’s football that gets referenced. Is basketball a natural fit or are we transplanting USA culture onto something that doesn’t fit?
And isn’t cricket popular with ethnic minorities? I need to check that and see if there are any stats but it’s the most popular sport in India and our biggest minority group is Asian so would have thought it would be to some degree. An assumption though so could be way off
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Post by milehigh on Jun 14, 2023 18:44:25 GMT
Participation in cricket is almost 50% ethnic minorities, with some clubs being 100% ethnic minority membership.
County age group teams are ethnically diverse, maybe not Yorkshire, but most counties. so it is very wrong to say cricket is an elitist sport.
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Post by markb on Jun 14, 2023 18:47:03 GMT
Participation in cricket is almost 50% ethnic minorities, with some clubs being 100% ethnic minority membership. County age group teams are ethnically diverse, maybe not Yorkshire, but most counties. so it is very wrong to say cricket is an elitist sport. I edited my post as you were typing. But thanks - this is what I was thinking |
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Post by markb on Jun 14, 2023 18:52:27 GMT
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Post by dexter on Jun 14, 2023 19:03:59 GMT
Don’t we have football for that? Genuine question. Culturally isn’t that the sports way out of poverty for our working class? Listen to a load of Uk grime and drill and it’s football that gets referenced. Is basketball a natural fit or are we transplanting USA culture onto something that doesn’t fit? And isn’t cricket popular with ethnic minorities? I need to check that and see if there are any stats but it’s the most popular sport in India and our biggest minority group is Asian so would have thought it would be to some degree. An assumption though so could be way off It might vary by location but where I’m from football and boxing would be those traditional working class sports with a chance of competing professionally if you have talent. Basketball would just be a hobby and not something anyone would make money from. Same as rugby and cricket tbh. |
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Post by SamH on Jun 14, 2023 19:15:23 GMT
Yes we do have football for that, but you can have more than one sport. Not everyone likes football or is good at it. Plus in the winter who wants to be out in the cold, wet and the dark when you could be playing an indoor sport nice and dry, well into the evening? (yes I know there is indoor footy too). But I wasn't comparing basketball to football, but to canoeing with its £3.5m and sailing with its £5.5m. Surely investing in a sport with a much broader potential reach that can improve people's lives, is a better use of funds than investing in things where our elite can win medals? Sure, it's nice when we win medals - but it doesn't really achieve anything other than a moment of feel-good for the viewers. With more investment in basketball there trickle down effect could mean more young people taking up a really good, fun sport. It isn't even about the ambition to turn pro, which a tiny percentage actually achieve - but just having something positive to focus on and do with their lives. These kids are not going to go down the local canoe slalom or get on a sailing boat, but they might take up at an organised basketball club. Or yes, football. But I suspect football already gets a little bit over half a million quid...
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Post by dexter on Jun 14, 2023 19:42:06 GMT
Yes we do have football for that, but you can have more than one sport. Not everyone likes football or is good at it. Plus in the winter who wants to be out in the cold, wet and the dark when you could be playing an indoor sport nice and dry, well into the evening? (yes I know there is indoor footy too). But I wasn't comparing basketball to football, but to canoeing with its £3.5m and sailing with its £5.5m. Surely investing in a sport with a much broader potential reach that can improve people's lives, is a better use of funds than investing in things where our elite can win medals? Sure, it's nice when we win medals - but it doesn't really achieve anything other than a moment of feel-good for the viewers. With more investment in basketball there trickle down effect could mean more young people taking up a really good, fun sport. It isn't even about the ambition to turn pro, which a tiny percentage actually achieve - but just having something positive to focus on and do with their lives. These kids are not going to go down the local canoe slalom or get on a sailing boat, but they might take up at an organised basketball club. Or yes, football. But I suspect football already gets a little bit over half a million quid... Football has plenty of money but I don’t think they get any of that budget. That National Lottery money is to get GB Olympic Medals. I don’t support a football team and before London Lions started competing in Europe the only teams I supported/followed were England teams in whatever sport and the Great Britain Olympic team. I do think BBF needs a bit more funding but not at the expense of successful Olympic Sports. They need a bit more funding and they need to generate some revenue themselves which is hopefully what GB Basketball TV will do. They also need better kits with a sponsor and to sell some merch. But to do that kind of thing they need staff to work on those things, so they need more funding. |
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Post by dexter on Jun 14, 2023 20:46:53 GMT
BBC Sport covering this too, I would say with a slightly more positive tone thanks to Temi Fagbenle. www.bbc.com/sport/basketball/65902941.ampI have said before, GB Women are quite good despite having very limited resources and the WBBL not being a very high standard league. |
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Post by milehigh on Jun 15, 2023 5:13:58 GMT
Comercial sponsorship arrives in any sport, and the arts, when the demographic of the audience aligns with the target demographic for the companies customers.
I honestly feel that the basketball community needs to realise this and make the sport attractive for comercial investment, not just expect state handouts to fund the sport.
I do wonder about the competence, and business accumen, of those running the sport in the UK.
When, if ever, did BE ot the BBF attract a major comercial sponsor to the sport?
Are they even trying?
Do they have a statregy and long term plan to attract such funding?
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Post by dexter on Jun 16, 2023 8:03:10 GMT
The Guardian haven’t reported on the actual EuroBasket Women’s tournament, so as I suspected they were just having a moan; reporting how terrible everything is and how unfairly basketball is treated, then doing nothing to help. The BBC however is reporting on GB’s first game, so well done them. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/65923273 |
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Post by dexter on Jun 16, 2023 8:22:57 GMT
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