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Post by tallerman on Mar 26, 2023 9:46:54 GMT
If you were to invest in a bbl franchise, which would you chose?
A. An established club in a small city without much room for growth. Around 1000 fans a game and have been in the league for about over 10 years.
B. An established NBL program in a big city with huge room for growth. They've previously held established clubs in the bbl but not for over 10 years
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Post by LTfan on Mar 26, 2023 10:41:06 GMT
This feels like a loaded question…
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Post by blueskies99 on Mar 26, 2023 11:13:36 GMT
If you were to invest in a bbl franchise, which would you chose? A. An established club in a small city without much room for growth. Around 1000 fans a game and have been in the league for about over 10 years. B. An established NBL program in a big city with huge room for growth. They've previously held established clubs in the bbl but not for over 10 years None of the above. Leicester Riders.  |
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Post by bullets92 on Mar 26, 2023 11:15:22 GMT
If you were to invest in a bbl franchise, which would you chose? A. An established club in a small city without much room for growth. Around 1000 fans a game and have been in the league for about over 10 years. B. An established NBL program in a big city with huge room for growth. They've previously held established clubs in the bbl but not for over 10 years Basically would you rather Plymouth or Birmingham? |
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Post by tallerman on Mar 26, 2023 11:40:04 GMT
Am I that transparent? The rumours are rife at the moment
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Post by notoriousbigz on Mar 26, 2023 11:55:49 GMT
If you could unify the interest in Birmingham I’d take it all day long. The place is an absolute hotbed but the politics are well, polarised to say the least.
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Post by dexter on Mar 26, 2023 12:15:01 GMT
I'm in Birmingham right now. It's such a central location for a very large and diverse population. I believe you could replicate what Lions are doing and it would work. People would come. But it would be expensive.
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Post by D44 on Mar 26, 2023 12:59:16 GMT
The arena issue is the killer for both. If you factor in having to (at some point) build/buy/long term an arena you'd take the bigger city for sure
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 26, 2023 14:29:19 GMT
I'm in Birmingham right now. It's such a central location for a very large and diverse population. I believe you could replicate what Lions are doing and it would work. People would come. But it would be expensive. But a franchise has failed 3 times in Birmingham previously. And as it has been shown just because a team is in a major city doesn't necessarily mean its going to work. The last Birmingham team went on basis of we build it and the fans will come. Which for basketball in this country sadly isn't the case. And the teams from smaller towns and cities can do better because theirs less major sports to compete with. Until the following of the game grows bigger the way to grow a franchise is through building your base. Which means helping out your community, giving away free tickets and things like Hoops 4 Health. Hearing the guy on the BBL Show talk about the potential recencartnation Birmingham franchise for a 4th time. What he said sounded exciting but also overly ambitious thinking they were going to sell out an arena the size of the Barclay Card straight away. I do really like this question as well by the way. |
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Post by dexter on Mar 26, 2023 15:02:11 GMT
I'm in Birmingham right now. It's such a central location for a very large and diverse population. I believe you could replicate what Lions are doing and it would work. People would come. But it would be expensive. But a franchise has failed 3 times in Birmingham previously. And as it has been shown just because a team is in a major city doesn't necessarily mean its going to work. The last Birmingham team went on basis of we build it and the fans will come. Which for basketball in this country sadly isn't the case. And the teams from smaller towns and cities can do better because theirs less major sports to compete with. Until the following of the game grows bigger the way to grow a franchise is through building your base. Which means helping out your community, giving away free tickets and things like Hoops 4 Health. Hearing the guy on the BBL Show talk about the potential recencartnation Birmingham franchise for a 4th time. What he said sounded exciting but also overly ambitious thinking they were going to sell out an arena the size of the Barclay Card straight away. I do really like this question as well by the way. His name is Bob Hope. His idea is for NEC Group to own the franchise. There is sense in that, but I haven't heard anything from NEC Group to say they're interested. It's not really an investment. It's a money pit. |
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 26, 2023 17:38:25 GMT
But a franchise has failed 3 times in Birmingham previously. And as it has been shown just because a team is in a major city doesn't necessarily mean its going to work. The last Birmingham team went on basis of we build it and the fans will come. Which for basketball in this country sadly isn't the case. And the teams from smaller towns and cities can do better because theirs less major sports to compete with. Until the following of the game grows bigger the way to grow a franchise is through building your base. Which means helping out your community, giving away free tickets and things like Hoops 4 Health. Hearing the guy on the BBL Show talk about the potential recencartnation Birmingham franchise for a 4th time. What he said sounded exciting but also overly ambitious thinking they were going to sell out an arena the size of the Barclay Card straight away. I do really like this question as well by the way. His name is Bob Hope. His idea is for NEC Group to own the franchise. There is sense in that, but I haven't heard anything from NEC Group to say they're interested. It's not really an investment. It's a money pit. I think the advantage is with an NBL/SBL side coming up is you already have some sort of established fan base and people willing to support the club no matter what. Obviously you want to increase your fan base which is a challenge in itself but its probably easier then starting from scratch. Which is not impossible but you then want to hope that people in the area can be converted in Basketball and BBL fans. As I have said before whilst the sky coverage is excellent especially after today. I think without having a BBL team in or near your town or city. Then it will be harder to rope in new fans. I think the only mention of the EBL existence on sky this season was Derby taking Gladiators to the semi of the Trophy. But if the Eagles were to go tommorow I have no idea where my next nearest EBL side is. |
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Post by dexter on Mar 26, 2023 19:38:57 GMT
His name is Bob Hope. His idea is for NEC Group to own the franchise. There is sense in that, but I haven't heard anything from NEC Group to say they're interested. It's not really an investment. It's a money pit. I think the advantage is with an NBL/SBL side coming up is you already have some sort of established fan base and people willing to support the club no matter what. Obviously you want to increase your fan base which is a challenge in itself but its probably easier then starting from scratch. Which is not impossible but you then want to hope that people in the area can be converted in Basketball and BBL fans. As I have said before whilst the sky coverage is excellent especially after today. I think without having a BBL team in or near your town or city. Then it will be harder to rope in new fans. I think the only mention of the EBL existence on sky this season was Derby taking Gladiators to the semi of the Trophy. But if the Eagles were to go tommorow I have no idea where my next nearest EBL side is. On that basis the best NBL team to invest in would probably be Hemel Storm. They have a good fan base, and a relationship with the nearby University of Hertfordshire. Men’s basketball is one of UoH’s key performance sports. Hemel Storm’s current team would probably be fine in the BBL. If Hemel Storm could improve their arena and UoH made their show court look a bit nicer, they could be another BBL/University setup like Eagles/Newcastle, Riders/Loughborough and Riders/UWE. Having said that, a new arena is easier said than done and the cost of a BBL franchise is now prohibitively expensive, so Hemel Storm are probably better off staying in NBL D1. |
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Post by milehigh on Mar 26, 2023 20:58:08 GMT
The leadership of COB Rockets, the leading NBL team in the city are doing things the right way, trying to grow the program organicly, developing their existing arena and having a massive, n=and very popular & well run youth program. They have leading business people on their advisory board and their chairman and ceo are both experianced basketball people of the highest integrity.
It will be very interesting to see how they do in D1 next season, both on and off court.
One major positive is you dont read of any of their club officials making offenisve statements or threatening people!
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Post by erj14 on Mar 26, 2023 22:13:36 GMT
Seems like a no brainer to me. Plymouth seem pretty much at or just below their ceiling of what is possible in their city. Their logical next step would be to have their own venue to help generate more income, but that's a huge investment for potentially not a very high return.
I think caps should be doffed to the various people (past and present) over the years who've helped make basketball work in Plymouth where it has failed in so many other bigger cities around the country.
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Post by reefram on Mar 27, 2023 7:38:13 GMT
His name is Bob Hope. His idea is for NEC Group to own the franchise. There is sense in that, but I haven't heard anything from NEC Group to say they're interested. It's not really an investment. It's a money pit. I think the advantage is with an NBL/SBL side coming up is you already have some sort of established fan base and people willing to support the club no matter what. Obviously you want to increase your fan base which is a challenge in itself but its probably easier then starting from scratch. Which is not impossible but you then want to hope that people in the area can be converted in Basketball and BBL fans. As I have said before whilst the sky coverage is excellent especially after today. I think without having a BBL team in or near your town or city. Then it will be harder to rope in new fans. I think the only mention of the EBL existence on sky this season was Derby taking Gladiators to the semi of the Trophy. But if the Eagles were to go tommorow I have no idea where my next nearest EBL side is. You would have to go as far as Newcastle to find your nearest EBL side. They play in EBL 1! |
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Post by tallerman on Mar 27, 2023 15:39:30 GMT
Seems like a no brainer to me. Plymouth seem pretty much at or just below their ceiling of what is possible in their city. Their logical next step would be to have their own venue to help generate more income, but that's a huge investment for potentially not a very high return. I think caps should be doffed to the various people (past and present) over the years who've helped make basketball work in Plymouth where it has failed in so many other bigger cities around the country. I thibk youre right. But this ceiling should be nbl1 standard and theres no shame in nbl1 |
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Post by erj14 on Mar 28, 2023 8:42:11 GMT
Seems like a no brainer to me. Plymouth seem pretty much at or just below their ceiling of what is possible in their city. Their logical next step would be to have their own venue to help generate more income, but that's a huge investment for potentially not a very high return. I think caps should be doffed to the various people (past and present) over the years who've helped make basketball work in Plymouth where it has failed in so many other bigger cities around the country. I thibk youre right. But this ceiling should be nbl1 standard and theres no shame in nbl1 Hopefully one day that's a reality. I'd like to think in maybe 5-10 years time a 3,000 capacity arena in the BBL is league minimum. Anywhere below that is in NBL 1, so if teams don't shape up they go down a level. Like you say, there should be no shame in that. |
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Post by tony on Mar 28, 2023 9:37:43 GMT
Teesside Lions had a 5 year plan to bring professional basketball to Teesside five years ago obviously with covid that was put back, they have a great set up play in a venue ( originally built for the Mohawks) that holds 1200 they get crowds of 500-700 and do fantastic work in the community, here at the Mohawks we have a fantastic set up the only thing that holds us back is the playing venue at Middlesbrough college which hopefully will improve over the next couple of years, a new floor is been laid next week so that’s a start.
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Post by tallerman on Mar 28, 2023 9:41:09 GMT
Teesside Lions had a 5 year plan to bring professional basketball to Teesside five years ago obviously with covid that was put back, they have a great set up play in a venue ( originally built for the Mohawks) that holds 1200 they get crowds of 500-700 and do fantastic work in the community, here at the Mohawks we have a fantastic set up the only thing that holds us back is the playing venue at Middlesbrough college which hopefully will improve over the next couple of years, a new floor is been layer next week so that’s a start. There’s a really simple and obvious answer here that probably nobody in Teeside likes |
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Post by tony on Mar 28, 2023 9:42:37 GMT
Teesside Lions had a 5 year plan to bring professional basketball to Teesside five years ago obviously with covid that was put back, they have a great set up play in a venue ( originally built for the Mohawks) that holds 1200 they get crowds of 500-700 and do fantastic work in the community, here at the Mohawks we have a fantastic set up the only thing that holds us back is the playing venue at Middlesbrough college which hopefully will improve over the next couple of years, a new floor is been layer next week so that’s a start. There’s a really simple and obvious answer here that probably nobody in Teeside likes A joint venture you mean? It will never happen…. |
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