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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 4, 2023 9:15:10 GMT
Unfortunately, Lions brought their A game yesterday and that proved too much for Riders. Their defence was awesome and their offence pretty amazing too. Had no time or space to shoot threes. Even our free throws suffered as a result of the relentless pressure. Great effort by Riders but depressing result. Schmidt is doing an excellent job.
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Post by gardielo on Mar 4, 2023 9:44:25 GMT
London are good, very good as they should be for the size of the budget. But let's not mask that Leicester aren't that great this year. Despite numerous attempts they haven't found a half decent replacement point guard. Nelson Henry has disappeared. The miss Walker greatly. Washington has injuries. A bit of a rebuild needed
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Post by stevetino on Mar 4, 2023 10:07:53 GMT
Unfortunately, Lions brought their A game yesterday and that proved too much for Riders. Their defence was awesome and their offence pretty amazing too. Had no time or space to shoot threes. Even our free throws suffered as a result of the relentless pressure. Great effort by Riders but depressing result. Schmidt is doing an excellent job. Nobody can compete with Londons resources now Mate, I wouldn’t worry about it |
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Post by erj14 on Mar 4, 2023 10:12:07 GMT
I thought Kennedy did OK last night, at least he made a couple threes and looked engaged. How we've managed to turn him from a 40%+ three point shooter in to someone who is scared to shoot the ball completely baffles me. Ubiaro gives us zero when we have the ball and then makes mistakes defensively. At least Mockford can have the odd decent game. What annoys me more is that he was suited and appeared to train with GB, how come the club that pays his salary are the ones to lose out? Hate the way we play second fiddle to a GB program no one gives a toss about. Steutel could've had 2 weeks working with the players but instead probably had 3-4 days. Obviously we knew this when we signed the coach, which is one of the many reasons I was against it. To be fair, I don't think it was lack of effort or gameplan that cost us last night. We just don't have the players to beat teams like Bristol, even with them playing poorly last night. Where’s Kennedy been for 3 months though, he’s been abysmal when he actually started the season half decent , Ubiaro looks lost, any Plymouth fans thoughts on him? As with anything the player and the coaching staff should probably share the blame. It's a shame as I was pleased when we signed him, just hasn't worked out at all. |
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Post by ecrider on Mar 4, 2023 11:28:20 GMT
A bit deflated after last night thought we would run lions closer after a good showing in the final and a couple of players gone.
But wow London were superb the speed and athletism is impossible to match. Look to be playing different type of game without koufus and soko more outside with sharma cleaning up and guys hitting the boards
Having said that we could have been closer a lot of open shots missed together with a lot of free throws. I doubt it would have mattered.
Interesting that dekker etc still playing to the end even though 20 points up. Thought they would have been saved for bigger battles
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Post by tallerman on Mar 4, 2023 12:16:23 GMT
Ubiaro is playing a different game, in plymouth he was free to slash, in Newcastle he isn't. His defence hasnt been bad this year, hes just making rookie mistakes trying to prove something i think
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Post by D44 on Mar 4, 2023 15:30:18 GMT
I thought Kennedy did OK last night, at least he made a couple threes and looked engaged. How we've managed to turn him from a 40%+ three point shooter in to someone who is scared to shoot the ball completely baffles me. Ubiaro gives us zero when we have the ball and then makes mistakes defensively. At least Mockford can have the odd decent game. What annoys me more is that he was suited and appeared to train with GB, how come the club that pays his salary are the ones to lose out? Hate the way we play second fiddle to a GB program no one gives a toss about. Steutel could've had 2 weeks working with the players but instead probably had 3-4 days. Obviously we knew this when we signed the coach, which is one of the many reasons I was against it. To be fair, I don't think it was lack of effort or gameplan that cost us last night. We just don't have the players to beat teams like Bristol, even with them playing poorly last night. Fair assessment. Not sure I agree with blaming GB. Coach Kapolous and Coach Murray were away too and their teams didn't suffer. Replace Cohn with someone who actually scores and we might just about get a few more games over the line, we'd still not be great though. |
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 4, 2023 16:44:56 GMT
I thought Kennedy did OK last night, at least he made a couple threes and looked engaged. How we've managed to turn him from a 40%+ three point shooter in to someone who is scared to shoot the ball completely baffles me. Ubiaro gives us zero when we have the ball and then makes mistakes defensively. At least Mockford can have the odd decent game. What annoys me more is that he was suited and appeared to train with GB, how come the club that pays his salary are the ones to lose out? Hate the way we play second fiddle to a GB program no one gives a toss about. Steutel could've had 2 weeks working with the players but instead probably had 3-4 days. Obviously we knew this when we signed the coach, which is one of the many reasons I was against it. To be fair, I don't think it was lack of effort or gameplan that cost us last night. We just don't have the players to beat teams like Bristol, even with them playing poorly last night. Fair assessment. Not sure I agree with blaming GB. Coach Kapolous and Coach Murray were away too and their teams didn't suffer. Replace Cohn with someone who actually scores and we might just about get a few more games over the line, we'd still not be great though. I thought Andreas had stepped away from the Team GB as assistant coach and I don't remember seeing him at the game last week against Belgium. Last season we were defeated by every team except the Scorchers and finished in 9th. And now especially after last night I think we are going to be in the same spot if not finish 10th should Surrey somehow suddenly make a run of wins whilst we try to beat Riders, Riders and Lions! I think judging from that it looks like you could argue and say we are probably now alot worse then what we were last season sadly. Whilst I didn't expect us to win the league or even make top 3. I certainly thought we would perhaps finished around mid table like 4th-6th. Even though we have a rookie head coach I think now both the coach and the organisation would have to mow write this up as another failed season. And as for Mike Tuck I don't think Sheffield have to worry about missing this seasons playoffs. |
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Post by stevetino on Mar 4, 2023 17:59:28 GMT
Fair assessment. Not sure I agree with blaming GB. Coach Kapolous and Coach Murray were away too and their teams didn't suffer. Replace Cohn with someone who actually scores and we might just about get a few more games over the line, we'd still not be great though. I thought Andreas had stepped away from the Team GB as assistant coach and I don't remember seeing him at the game last week against Belgium. Last season we were defeated by every team except the Scorchers and finished in 9th. And now especially after last night I think we are going to be in the same spot if not finish 10th should Surrey somehow suddenly make a run of wins whilst we try to beat Riders, Riders and Lions! I think judging from that it looks like you could argue and say we are probably now alot worse then what we were last season sadly. Whilst I didn't expect us to win the league or even make top 3. I certainly thought we would perhaps finished around mid table like 4th-6th. Even though we have a rookie head coach I think now both the coach and the organisation would have to mow write this up as another failed season. And as for Mike Tuck I don't think Sheffield have to worry about missing this seasons playoffs. It’s a complete failure to be looking at potentially finishing bottom of the pile is embarrassing, how standards have fallen |
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Post by isthaturinal on Mar 4, 2023 18:24:57 GMT
What a wonderful night it was at the Morning Side Arena last night,
Riders getting battered by 25 points,
I felt 25 years younger, it was just like the good old days when Riders played at Granby Halls and would regularly get their asses handed to them on a plate.
I actually Enjoyed watching the talent that Pretty much all the Lions roster possess, In all honesty that’s what we all want to see…highly talented players.
On a positive note I thought Kimble had another great game and Menzies had another vastly improved performance.
Can anybody explain why when Love shot a double team almost impossible 3 in the second half, a couple of plays later the game was stopped….the refs got together and changed the 3 to a 2.
I’ve seen it done just after the shot has gone up but this was literally a couple of plays later.
Onwards and upwards….Let’s look forward to next weekend and do the double over the Eagles….
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Post by erj14 on Mar 4, 2023 18:50:09 GMT
I think ultimately what's cost Eagles this season is not losing to Flyers (average good team) by 2 points last night. It's the winnable games (Manchester, Plymouth, Cheshire, Sheffield away) being thrown away as the side was still just coming together. Playoff hopes are done because our run in is horrendous for the rest of the season.
If the team as it's presently constructed had a run in against the above teams I'd be much more confident. Obviously this is all self inflicted damage, I'm not blaming the fixtures at all.
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 4, 2023 19:10:27 GMT
I think ultimately what's cost Eagles this season is not losing to Flyers (average good team) by 2 points last night. It's the winnable games (Manchester, Plymouth, Cheshire, Sheffield away) being thrown away as the side was still just coming together. Playoff hopes are done because our run in is horrendous for the rest of the season. If the team as it's presently constructed had a run in against the above teams I'd be much more confident. Obviously this is all self inflicted damage, I'm not blaming the fixtures at all. The way we started last night anyone would have thought we'd had been playing back to back mid week games and struggling with fixture congestion instead of having had 2 weeks off due to our head coach being on international duty. I agree I do think to many changes and a team not really being able to gel was part of the problem. As by Christmas all the other teams in the league pretty much knew each other and had developed chemistry by that point. At the beginning of last night as well there was a clear play meant for Gordon that they didn't follow through with and he wasn't happy. Which shows the level of unfamiliarity that we had. And your right as well about losing games and not competing. I can understand losing to Riders and Lions as well as dropping the odd game against any BBL side if it isn't our day. Or having that one off bad match where lose by 30. How we have lost some really winnable games like last night and at times like that home game in December against Nix we didn't show up until the 4th Quarter. To the point where the coach has had to go ballistic in order to wake the team up is not great. I also would say pride as well is something that has alluded the Eagles. The Eagles players of old would practically live and die fighting for the win. Whereas now we have players that are here to play but probably not as passionate. I suppose when your on a team that is constantly cutting players it can be harder to feel at home not knowing if your the next one out the door. But considering we lost someone like Fletcher who was a veteran PG but also had alot of pride for the team. Acouple of times I have watched him play for Manchester and thought how I wish we had him back. Perhaps with him, Hamlet, French, Johnson and Defoe we might have picked up atleast a few more victories. |
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Post by stevetino on Mar 5, 2023 22:57:36 GMT
The way it’s going Surrey could even catch eagles
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Post by baldeagle on Mar 6, 2023 10:30:49 GMT
Eagles v Bristol
1st half 15/30 from the field (4/9 from behind arc)
2nd half 10/34 (29%) from the field (2/10 from 3-point line). (And most of those 10 made shots would have been in the first 5 mins of q3).
That’s the game in a nutshell. Blew it.
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Post by eagles18000 on Mar 6, 2023 19:32:27 GMT
Fatigue.
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 6, 2023 19:46:42 GMT
Eagles v Bristol 1st half 15/30 from the field (4/9 from behind arc) 2nd half 10/34 (29%) from the field (2/10 from 3-point line). (And most of those 10 made shots would have been in the first 5 mins of q3). That’s the game in a nutshell. Blew it. To be honest I saw this guys videos on Facebook last night and although it was a rant about Chelsea FC. I honestly felt like as an Eagles fan I could relate to his level frustration.🤣 |
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Post by eagles18000 on Mar 6, 2023 20:12:18 GMT
and ubiaro is getting plenty of opportunities to slash. He basically does it every time he catches the ball (unwisely). He just keeps turning it over. The league has become more unforgiving.
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Post by erj14 on Mar 6, 2023 22:50:01 GMT
and ubiaro is getting plenty of opportunities to slash. He basically does it every time he catches the ball (unwisely). He just keeps turning it over. The league has become more unforgiving. I only saw bits of his time at Plymouth, but he looks well short of the player he was down there. Admittedly his role was bigger there, with a higher usage. He often seems to make bad decisions, doesn't catch passes cleanly and his handle looks loose too. As you say, the league has improved but he also looks short of confidence. It's all stuff that is glaring when you watch in person. It's certainly been a great learning experience for Coach Steutel this year. Every mistake has been punished and hopefully he'll know what he needs (roster wise) to improve for next season. |
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Post by stevetino on Mar 6, 2023 23:01:42 GMT
Surrey won again and what chance they will
Catch the eagles
Now?
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Post by stevetino on Mar 6, 2023 23:03:05 GMT
and ubiaro is getting plenty of opportunities to slash. He basically does it every time he catches the ball (unwisely). He just keeps turning it over. The league has become more unforgiving. I only saw bits of his time at Plymouth, but he looks well short of the player he was down there. Admittedly his role was bigger there, with a higher usage. He often seems to make bad decisions, doesn't catch passes cleanly and his handle looks loose too. As you say, the league has improved but he also looks short of confidence. It's all stuff that is glaring when you watch in person. It's certainly been a great learning experience for Coach Steutel this year. Every mistake has been punished and hopefully he'll know what he needs (roster wise) to improve for next season. I agree he looks way short of what he contributed for Plymouth, Cohn is another conundrum entirely, defences now know he’s generally looking for the pass on most drives and defend him accordinly |
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