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Post by spacejammer on Dec 24, 2022 20:32:05 GMT
Happy Christmas Eve WhatsBev I hope you are all having a good one.
I just finished watching Riders vs Giants and during the game I heard Dan Routledge say the BBL was in discussion about bringing VAR to the league just like the NBA.
I suppose this could be viewed as a another example of money being invested into the league but I wondered what everyone's thoughts on it would be?
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Post by dexter on Dec 24, 2022 22:24:37 GMT
I’m not in favour of anything that slows the game down and adds waiting periods. They have that in Euroleague and my thought is always “I don’t care. Get on with it “.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Dec 24, 2022 23:44:27 GMT
Happy Christmas Eve WhatsBev I hope you are all having a good one. I just finished watching Riders vs Giants and during the game I heard Dan Routledge say the BBL was in discussion about bringing VAR to the league just like the NBA. I suppose this could be viewed as a another example of money being invested into the league but I wondered what everyone's thoughts on it would be? Good idea. Game's so fast it's difficult to be certain if there should be a call. |
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Post by SamH on Dec 25, 2022 0:01:51 GMT
I just like how we seem to have at least adopted the Bev name even though the original ashes are still smouldering 🤣
As for VAR, it's another thing alongside timeouts that drags NBA games out way too long, especially in the 4th quarter.
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Post by milehigh on Dec 25, 2022 2:40:56 GMT
To work well VAR or similiar systems need a range of camera angles, so the officials have additional views of an incident to make a decision. I wil not work with just single camera coverage.
So it is not viable until all BBL games move to multiple camera coverage, that needs to be using a consitant numer of cameras and angles for all games.
A better idea would be to invest in the recruitment and development of more match officials.
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Post by spacejammer on Dec 25, 2022 8:27:59 GMT
To be fair I remember a GB Home match I think it was against Greece where the fans started chanting "VAR VAR! after a call.
I know in Football it has been controversial at times and I think ti begin with it took some time to get used to.
However I suppose I would be all for it so long as it us used correctly.
That being said I don't tend to see as much cheating in BBL basketball as what I used to see in football before VAR.
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Post by voise on Dec 25, 2022 13:31:55 GMT
It's not a substitute for referee's decision making. I think this is primarily about end of game clock / end of shot clock scenarios - where there have been some notable human errors in recent weeks according to SNB.
At these points the game has generally already stopped anyway.
If the available game footage clearly overturns an incorrect decision then overturn it, if not carry on.
If we're worried about adding time on to games give each team 1 or 2 challenges per game, like tennis.
I'm for it.
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Post by jt on Dec 25, 2022 21:05:15 GMT
EuroCup does it well. Each team gets one challenge a game and even if the challenge is successful no further challenges are given
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Post by dandayr on Dec 26, 2022 17:59:56 GMT
Its all already part of the FIBA rules - IRS (Instant Replay System) and very clear in the rule book of when it can be applied. My understanding of the incidents (primarily the 1st one) in the Giants/Riders sky game that have got folk talking is the officials would have been able to refer to IRS (it it had been in place) and given the time they spent talking to each other I am sure they would have used it to confirm what occurred.
In the updated rules for 2022 season onwards, the coach does have a single coaches challenge to ask the officials to look at something again with IRS - so if they didnt like what was decided and had not used their one challenge they could have used the coaches challenge. It is a single challenge for the game - no matter if when you use it you are successful or not. The updated IRS and new coaches challenge rule were touched on at our SBC pre season referee workshop in the rule update section.
It was mentioned BBL had considered IRS introduction but as not all clubs would be able to have it setup in the current season they would not do it for 2022/23 season. (bit like the football situation in caribou cup where even if game at a premier side ground, var not used as its not available at all clubs that take part.)
Hopefully plans underway to ensure all venues can have IRS for 2023/24.
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on Dec 27, 2022 22:00:28 GMT
Basketball as a sport is already stop/start enough as it is without VAR
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on Jan 30, 2023 12:36:22 GMT
Lakers could have done with VAR last night www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/64450359I like how the refs are so incompetent that a player gets a Technical for trying to show the officials evidence of their screw up |
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Post by SamH on Jan 30, 2023 15:41:54 GMT
Happens all the time in the NBA - the league for some reason releases reports that detail all the missed calls or wrong calls in the last 2 minutes of games, and the number of times this has impacted on who wins a close game...it's shocking. These are supposed to be the elite, the best referees in the world. When you think there are about 450 players in the NBA, the best in the world. There are only about 80 refs, so to make the cut as a ref is harder than it is as a player! Yet we still get loads of bad mistakes that cost teams games.
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Post by spacejammer on Jan 30, 2023 18:48:21 GMT
Lakers could have done with VAR last night www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/64450359I like how the refs are so incompetent that a player gets a Technical for trying to show the officials evidence of their screw up Funny reminds me of the other week when Eagles got a technical for pointing out Giants had 6 players on court. If this is what BBL refs look up to perhaps it would explain that call. To be honest I watched last week's Eurocup game between Lions and Gran Canaria and the amount of times the refs went to VAR and took forever to discuss plays did my absolute head in. I like "come on make up your mind already the evidence is right there." |
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Post by dandayr on Jan 30, 2023 22:38:54 GMT
Lakers could have done with VAR last night www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/64450359I like how the refs are so incompetent that a player gets a Technical for trying to show the officials evidence of their screw up Funny reminds me of the other week when Eagles got a technical for pointing out Giants had 6 players on court. If this is what BBL refs look up to perhaps it would explain that call. To be honest I watched last week's Eurocup game between Lions and Gran Canaria and the amount of times the refs went to VAR and took forever to discuss plays did my absolute head in. I like "come on make up your mind already the evidence is right there." not sure using the officiating crew from the Gran Canaria game is best example on whether IRS works well or not - that was first of the Lopns eurocup games ive watched where you really noticed the crew. they were average to poor. |
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Post by tugger on Feb 2, 2023 11:33:29 GMT
Yet we still get loads of bad mistakes that cost teams games. Players make mistakes! If the Lakers hadn't fouled Jaylen Brown unnecessarily on a layup on the play before they would have been one up and inbounding the ball with seconds left! So who cost the Lakers the game? |
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Post by SamH on Feb 3, 2023 11:33:04 GMT
Well that opens up the debate about how much error can be tolerated by refs. Yes players make mistakes but those who make too many, too often are the ones who get cut and don't make the grade, especially if they make big ones that cost wins.
Refs blowing obvious calls in close games is not acceptable. That type of mistake carries a higher tariff than other errors do. Then to T up a player for showing you the evidence of the error just compounds it. I can't stand Pat Beverley but he got screwed over there.
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