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Post by dexter on Nov 28, 2022 18:21:48 GMT
Greg Poleon scored 40 points in his first Irish Superleague game. I might have overstated the standard of that league.
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Post by D44 on Nov 28, 2022 19:15:11 GMT
Greg Poleon scored 40 points in his first Irish Superleague game. I might have overstated the standard of that league. It's pretty much just a Uni league. |
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Post by gardielo on Nov 28, 2022 21:05:41 GMT
To be fair to Greg he was MVP of D1 year before last and always good for a double c double. Bet Newcastle could use him now!
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Post by rickdanger on Nov 28, 2022 22:19:07 GMT
£1m franchise fee - is that affordable - how much did the existing franchises pay?
Belfast and who is the other?
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Post by spacejammer on Nov 28, 2022 22:41:23 GMT
To be fair to Greg he was MVP of D1 year before last and always good for a double c double. Bet Newcastle could use him now! What! Newcastle sign a player that's useful and could also play defence. That's not the Newcastle way anymore I'm afraid. Sounds like he'd be cut in 20 minutes. To play for us right you need to know how to let 20 buckets slip past us and show no euthaisum or care for the team or wanting to win whatsoever. Experience riding the bench as well may also be useful. |
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Post by LTfan on Nov 29, 2022 12:11:56 GMT
£1m franchise fee - is that affordable - how much did the existing franchises pay? I think it was rumoured to be in the region of £250,000 prior to the 777 era. |
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Post by LTfan on Nov 29, 2022 12:13:31 GMT
I'm all for the league expanding, but a NI team certainly wouldn't be at the top of my list for a number of reasons.
I'd rather focus on the likes of Birmingham, Reading, Brighton, Wales, etc.
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Post by dandayr on Nov 29, 2022 13:29:23 GMT
yep agree - should be focussing on towns and cities that have proven track records of games in venues smaller than the capacities that existing teams get knocked for rather than a city that showed with the original NCAA Classics to be played in the UK that with the right marketing it can get the crowds out for basketball in a modern venue.  as an aside, would be interesting to see what the attendance levels were at the pre covid years Belfast Classics versus this years move to the London Classic i get all those comments about travel to NI is a different cost than to other teams - but jeez if it ever happened its 2 lge fixtures to budget for (and you have 2 extra home games to bring in more income to pay for the travel) versus 20 trips to Eng/Sco for a new side to have to budget for. I think the existing clubs could cope - if not they have bigger issues than worry about a new club being further away than they expected. it seems to work ok for not one but at least two sports - as well as Belfast Clan playing in EIHL, there is Ulster Rugby competing against clubs in part of the GB area in 2 competitons (as well as clubs from further afield) |
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Post by irf on Nov 29, 2022 13:34:24 GMT
£1m franchise fee - is that affordable - how much did the existing franchises pay? I think it was rumoured to be in the region of £250,000 prior to the 777 era. Yep that's a big jump |
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Post by irf on Nov 29, 2022 13:36:36 GMT
I'm all for the league expanding, but a NI team certainly wouldn't be at the top of my list for a number of reasons. I'd rather focus on the likes of Birmingham, Reading, Brighton, Wales, etc. If there are people in NI genuinely considering investing an initial £1M in a BBL franchise over there we should welcome them with open arms You might be a very long time waiting for people in the places you prefer to come forward and do the same |
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Post by tony on Nov 29, 2022 14:18:02 GMT
From the BBL website
How do clubs join the BBL?
By applying to the BBL Franchise Committee (franchises@bbl.org.uk) with a detailed business plan.
For any application to be successful, venue details, proof of an acceptable level of financial backing, plus a sound business plan would be required, thus showing that the franchise was likely to be a sustainable enterprise. The business plan must cover a certain period of time, thus demonstrating the long term potential of the business.
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Post by LTfan on Nov 29, 2022 15:57:19 GMT
I'm all for the league expanding, but a NI team certainly wouldn't be at the top of my list for a number of reasons. I'd rather focus on the likes of Birmingham, Reading, Brighton, Wales, etc. If there are people in NI genuinely considering investing an initial £1M in a BBL franchise over there we should welcome them with open arms You might be a very long time waiting for people in the places you prefer to come forward and do the same Yes, but there's more to it than just being willing (foolish enough?) to invest the initial £1M. The wider impact on the league has to be considered, as does the NI team's long term business plan. As has been said, we're questioned the cost of the British teams being able to travel the overseas a few times a season, what about the cost of the NI team travelling overseas 20+ times a season? If the BBL aren't careful we could have another London City Royals situation, and they were within the M25, let alone Britian! Regardless, the proposal of having a non-British team in the British league is also... er, interesting. I'd like to know what FIBA's view on that is. I suppose the NBA has Toronto though. |
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Post by dexter on Nov 29, 2022 16:14:21 GMT
If there are people in NI genuinely considering investing an initial £1M in a BBL franchise over there we should welcome them with open arms You might be a very long time waiting for people in the places you prefer to come forward and do the same Yes, but there's more to it than just being willing (foolish enough?) to invest the initial £1M. The wider impact on the league has to be considered, as does the NI team's long term business plan. As has been said, we're questioned the cost of the British teams being able to travel the overseas a few times a season, what about the cost of the NI team travelling overseas 20+ times a season? If the BBL aren't careful we could have another London City Royals situation, and they were within the M25, let alone Britian! Regardless, the proposal of having a non-British team in the British league is also... er, interesting. I'd like to know what FIBA's view on that is. I suppose the NBA has Toronto though. Leicester Riders chose to not take their place in FIBA Europe Cup this year, presumably because of the travel cost and the additional strain on the players. If it isn’t worth their while travelling to the continent it probably wouldn’t be worth their while travelling to Ireland. I’m also not sure what’s in it for Ireland. We know they have a few decent players. Something like a provincial championship might be a better alternative to joining the BBL, and maybe a British and Irish weekend tournament somewhere like Manchester. I would rather see a big annual event added than an Irish team in the BBL. |
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Post by LTfan on Nov 29, 2022 16:37:22 GMT
Yes, but there's more to it than just being willing (foolish enough?) to invest the initial £1M. The wider impact on the league has to be considered, as does the NI team's long term business plan. As has been said, we're questioned the cost of the British teams being able to travel the overseas a few times a season, what about the cost of the NI team travelling overseas 20+ times a season? If the BBL aren't careful we could have another London City Royals situation, and they were within the M25, let alone Britian! Regardless, the proposal of having a non-British team in the British league is also... er, interesting. I'd like to know what FIBA's view on that is. I suppose the NBA has Toronto though. Leicester Riders chose to not take their place in FIBA Europe Cup this year, presumably because of the travel cost and the additional strain on the players. If it isn’t worth their while travelling to the continent it probably wouldn’t be worth their while travelling to Ireland. I’m also not sure what’s in it for Ireland. We know they have a few decent players. Something like a provincial championship might be a better alternative to joining the BBL, and maybe a British and Irish weekend tournament somewhere like Manchester. I would rather see a big annual event added than an Irish team in the BBL. I quite liked your suggestion of expanding the Trophy competition to include a NI team. That feels like a sensible first step for testing the waters if the BBL want to go down this route. |
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Post by dandayr on Nov 29, 2022 18:28:57 GMT
its just across the irish sea - not the far side of the european mainland  for most clubs the time for road and ferry to Belfast wont be that different from what Glasgow do to Plymouth - and for a couple of clubs it would be less cant see a current NI team being an attractive idea to the BBL to invite to the trophy - the pre-season Scottish Invitational in Paisley saw Belfast Star lose to St Mirren and then they had to take a couple of Saints players when they faced Rocks. the only real issue I can see is the one someone brought up - FIBA. The Belfast Star roster was listed as predominatly Irish with a couple of British - to play in BBL any new team it would as things stand surely need to be British squad with same level of imports as any other BBL side and players registed with BE and imports managed through BBF. Otherwise if you let them be an Irish eligibility squad as the base, that opens up the can of worms of dual national Irish/US and a different set of recruitment rules from all other sides. a) still think travel and distance are non issues. b) hockey has shown you can start a pro side in the city from scratch and get the locals onboard without any of the baggage that comes with their football, gaa and rugby c) there is a ready arena that has hosted basketball if someone is out there going to put plans and a decent franchise bid in a mainland GB location with a 3K plus sized arena in place then clearly head to head with a Belfast bid the mainland one has the edge - but till someone actually fronts up a successfull bid anywhere, suprised at all the negativity on this. yes London Royals was a blot on the franchise decision process - but there are other well publicised talks of new franchises that never got past the BBL franchise process so they do seem to have a decent idea at what they are doing |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 23:38:57 GMT
What is the 3k seater arena?
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Post by milehigh on Nov 30, 2022 3:21:33 GMT
For many BBL sides a short flight from their local airport to Belfast would be a lot quicker and easier than the trip to Glasgow or Plymouth, and with the right tip off times be a single day trip.
Provided the franchise conditions are met, a side in Belfast would be an asset to the BBL.
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Post by LTfan on Nov 30, 2022 9:35:39 GMT
Ok, let's stop looking at the potential issues for existing BBL teams and look at the likely success of a Northern Irish/Belfast BBL team...
Does Northern Ireland/Belfast have a big enough basketball following, or the realistic potential big enough basketball following, to have a successful BBL team?
Given the challenges for most British areas, and Northern Irish/Belfast would surely have all those and more, is this a realistic proposition?
If London City Royals were a disaster, what's different that would make a Northern Irish/Belfast BBL team a success?
By the way, that's a genuine question, I know very little about the basketball scene in Ireland and Northern Ireland.
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Post by dexter on Nov 30, 2022 9:45:35 GMT
I found this on Wikipedia which I didn’t know about and is somewhat relevant.
Hibernia Basketball was an Irish basketball team, created by Basketball Ireland to participate in the 2015–16 FIBA Europe Cup.[1] The team's home arena was the National Basketball Arena, based in Tallaght, South Dublin,[2] and the playing roster consisted of Premier League players.[3] The team made its debut on 28 October 2015 against Danish club Bakken Bears, losing 96–60.[4] They finished the tournament with a winless 0–6 record, finishing last in Group F and earning a tournament-worst point difference figure of 243 (345 points for, 588 against).
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Post by dexter on Nov 30, 2022 9:49:06 GMT
Ok, let's stop looking at the potential issues for existing BBL teams and look at the likely success of a Northern Irish/Belfast BBL team... Does Northern Ireland/Belfast have a big enough basketball following, or the realistic potential big enough basketball following, to have a successful BBL team? Given the challenges for most British areas, and Northern Irish/Belfast would surely have all those and more, is this a realistic proposition? If London City Royals were a disaster, what's different that would make a Northern Irish/Belfast BBL team a success? By the way, that's a genuine question, I know very little about the basketball scene in Ireland and Northern Ireland. From reading around the subject, what I know is the Irish Superleague has 14 teams and each team has one professional player. Northern Ireland has just the one Superleague team. Northern Ireland also has its own amateur league. |
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