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Post by SamH on Aug 12, 2022 13:38:19 GMT
The only thing I can think of that might stop Lions is chemistry issues. We've seen it countless times in the NBA - a supposed super team gets assembled then turns out to be completely garbage because the guys have no clue how to play off the ball when they're all used to being the first option. Look at last year's Laker team, with LeBron, Davis and Westbrook - total disaster. Or look at the soap opera that the Brooklyn Nets turned into, starting the season as the bookie's favourite for the title and ultimately being swept in round 1. Or, even more extreme, look at the various incarnations of the US Dream Team circa 2004-2007ish, where they were just embarrassing despite having all the talent. The guys just couldn't gel. They finished 6th in one of the World Championships around that time!
So, it is possible the whole thing can fall apart and they not be as good as on paper. Unlikely, but possible. (Personally though I don't want to see that happen!)
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Post by gardielo on Aug 12, 2022 14:57:56 GMT
The only thing that can stop Lions is Lions, be it chemistry, coaching, injuries, whatever. No team can match up with them.
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Post by dexter on Aug 12, 2022 15:01:25 GMT
The only thing that can stop Lions is Lions, be it chemistry, coaching, injuries, whatever. No team can match up with them. Not even a BBL Allstars Team. |
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Post by spacejammer on Aug 12, 2022 15:22:45 GMT
The only thing I can think of that might stop Lions is chemistry issues. We've seen it countless times in the NBA - a supposed super team gets assembled then turns out to be completely garbage because the guys have no clue how to play off the ball when they're all used to being the first option. Look at last year's Laker team, with LeBron, Davis and Westbrook - total disaster. Or look at the soap opera that the Brooklyn Nets turned into, starting the season as the bookie's favourite for the title and ultimately being swept in round 1. Or, even more extreme, look at the various incarnations of the US Dream Team circa 2004-2007ish, where they were just embarrassing despite having all the talent. The guys just couldn't gel. They finished 6th in one of the World Championships around that time! So, it is possible the whole thing can fall apart and they not be as good as on paper. Unlikely, but possible. (Personally though I don't want to see that happen!) Sam makes a great point here whilst no doubt London at stacked, their is the saying to many cooks spoil the broth. And it's not the first time egos,not gelling as a team and losing motivation has derailed London. Whilst we certainly need more pieces ourselves right now when we beat them last season this Lions team had no idea what hit them. And in the Trophy final I had never seen a team less motivated at a final. Which means their is always the chance they might focus all on Europe and show no respect to the BBL. After all we all remember what Ovie said before he left last time. |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Aug 12, 2022 16:14:54 GMT
I don't think it's at all unlikely that this Lions team turns out to be less good than it's supposed to be. Given what we've seen from the 777 LDN experiment so far, I think it's quite probable in fact. If you're scoring this lot right now based on how much money they've spent and how much noise they've made they're an 11/10. If you're scoring them based on what they've actually achieved in their first two and a bit years it's surely got to be a pretty low number.
Clearly they've stacked the deck in their favour even more this season. Clearly they're going to be the best team in the country by a fair distance on paper. But success doesn't just happen automatically because you've spent money. And it surprises me just how much confidence people are comfortable showing in this team. I don't see what the brains trust at this club have done so far to convince anyone their judgement's that good. I think talk of Lions going undefeated domestically next season is probably a bit daft. And I think talk of them managing that for years on end is absurd.
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Post by SamH on Aug 12, 2022 16:33:18 GMT
I also remember when the Bears signed Charles Claxton in 2000/01 - he was good, made the all star team - but he wasn't the dominant force I thought he'd be, given his NBA experience. He didn't help the Bears have a good season. I know that's just one player but I think sometimes just because someone has NBA on their CV, it doesn't always translate into them being unbelievably good here. Though we have seen several examples where that has been the case!
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Post by irf on Aug 12, 2022 18:16:09 GMT
Going to be exciting for Eagles fans to see a fresh approach next season I imagine Just getting a deep enough squad capable of giving 100 per cent effort and energy from start to finish of every game will be enough for you Eagles fans to feel like they are making progress I think Now Lions are doing what they are doing the expectation to win trophies again will have been significantly reduced as well Should be a good season for you guys I think Londons should be kicked out of the BBL Trophy for being too good, to give the other teams a chance of winning something. That sounds very familiar |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 19:38:58 GMT
I don't think it's at all unlikely that this Lions team turns out to be less good than it's supposed to be. Given what we've seen from the 777 LDN experiment so far, I think it's quite probable in fact. If you're scoring this lot right now based on how much money they've spent and how much noise they've made they're an 11/10. If you're scoring them based on what they've actually achieved in their first two and a bit years it's surely got to be a pretty low number. Clearly they've stacked the deck in their favour even more this season. Clearly they're going to be the best team in the country by a fair distance on paper. But success doesn't just happen automatically because you've spent money. And it surprises me just how much confidence people are comfortable showing in this team. I don't see what the brains trust at this club have done so far to convince anyone their judgement's that good. I think talk of Lions going undefeated domestically next season is probably a bit daft. And I think talk of them managing that for years on end is absurd. I agree they won’t go undefeated, but this team is so much better than last years it’s pointless to compare it to last year imo, Chris Taiwah was their backup centre for most of the year, Bradley Kaboza was their first guard off the bench with Justin missing pretty much all year I’m not sure who people would say the third best player was last year, maybe Cugini? Does he crack the rotation on this team? I would say probably not and the only reason he might is because he plays in the position they are weakest in Ultimately they’ve got a new coach, a much better squad and a much deeper in every position, I don’t really know what there is leftover from last year to say they’ve achieved nothing? |
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Post by dandayr on Aug 12, 2022 22:39:26 GMT
I also remember when the Bears signed Charles Claxton in 2000/01 - he was good, made the all star team - but he wasn't the dominant force I thought he'd be, given his NBA experience. He didn't help the Bears have a good season. I know that's just one player but I think sometimes just because someone has NBA on their CV, it doesn't always translate into them being unbelievably good here. Though we have seen several examples where that has been the case! yeh but the NBA is just theatre - I'm more interested in the guys London are picking up with the Euro teams on their cvs (even ones with NBA as well) as they will be better prepared for both the style in BBL and the euro games London have. I wish I could have seen Liggins live, had to make do with the screen - but he is also an example of just cause played NBA theatre entertainment does not mean instant take over the game big start in UK. Purely down to the style of game, think there can be less risk bringing a strong college rookie than a 'name' from NBA fringes. The BBL will develop and grow through folk shouting from the roof tops about GB stars, about breakthrough results in europe, about the future guys (Hoopfix squad the other night), about europeans boosting squads - and less so about a focus on NBA. That just boots the NBA. |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Aug 16, 2022 13:36:24 GMT
I agree they won’t go undefeated, but this team is so much better than last years it’s pointless to compare it to last year imo, Chris Taiwah was their backup centre for most of the year, Bradley Kaboza was their first guard off the bench with Justin missing pretty much all year I’m not sure who people would say the third best player was last year, maybe Cugini? Does he crack the rotation on this team? I would say probably not and the only reason he might is because he plays in the position they are weakest in Ultimately they’ve got a new coach, a much better squad and a much deeper in every position, I don’t really know what there is leftover from last year to say they’ve achieved nothing? I think you have a different definition of 'achievement' to me. Signing good players isn't an achievement in itself. When you have a small fortune to spend, I shouldn't imagine it takes much skill or know-how at all in fact. They've been comfortably the biggest spenders in the country since 777 arrived and the 2021 BBL Trophy is basically all they've got to show for it. They haven't exactly had fans queueing around the Copper Box to get into games either. The couple of times I went last season they were struggling to fill one side of the lower tier. When it comes to winning things, attracting new fans, generally growing the club, I think they're a pretty low score out of 10 so far personally. They do have a (sort of) new coach yes. But he doesn't really strike me as a sure thing. I don't know whether it's fair to blame him much for what happened last season but he didn't appear to have a particularly positive impact. And his only head coaching experience so far has come in a summer league. Doesn't mean he can't do a good job but I don't think there's a ton on his CV yet to suggest he definitely will. Given what the club is trying to achieve and how quickly they seem to want to do it, I'm a little surprised they didn't shell out for a more proven head coach. Like I said, I think it's entirely possible Lions will turn out to be less good than some are assuming. But obviously as the gulf in resources grows, their potential to underachieve and still be the best team in the country grows with it. |
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Post by everard on Aug 16, 2022 14:57:04 GMT
Remind me - what's this thread about?
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Aug 16, 2022 15:44:01 GMT
Something no one had anything more to say about anyway? I mean, maybe someone was about to rattle off a 10 page scouting report on Javion Hamlet. But I think it's fairly unlikely.
You do have a point to be fair. Might be worth a mod transferring some of these posts to a more appropriate thread. This probably won't be the last time a thread that's supposed to be about something else gets Lionsy.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Aug 16, 2022 19:57:37 GMT
So no new Eagles signing then,
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Post by mac on Aug 17, 2022 9:00:46 GMT
Something no one had anything more to say about anyway? I mean, maybe someone was about to rattle off a 10 page scouting report on Javion Hamlet. But I think it's fairly unlikely. You do have a point to be fair. Might be worth a mod transferring some of these posts to a more appropriate thread. This probably won't be the last time a thread that's supposed to be about something else gets Lionsy. So is Lionsy the new Ridersy? 😜 |
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Post by spacejammer on Aug 17, 2022 11:45:33 GMT
Well looking at the Eagles Pre Season schedule we certainly haven't had a pre season this jam packed in a while.
Other then Defoe I wonder if we will have any other returners from last seasons squad.
Asides from Gordon, Fletch and Duke aswell I haven't heard any word on what the others are doing.
Unless someone can shed some light on where Johnson, Wes, Sayers, Williams and Peel have ended up?
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Post by tallerman on Aug 17, 2022 14:10:29 GMT
Johnson is at newcastle uni isnt he? Just got injured so i reckon he could be back?
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Post by D44 on Aug 17, 2022 14:42:58 GMT
Johnson is at newcastle uni isnt he? Just got injured so i reckon he could be back? DJT is at Uni here, I'd guess he might play D1 while getting back to fitness. He's cheap for a British big and has big potential upside. Sayers is in Newcastle and for that reason imagine he's returning. He was sat with Darius and the young lads at the GB game. No other returnees on the cards. |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Aug 17, 2022 15:14:37 GMT
Unfortunately there's not been a whole lot to get Ridersy about lately. Hopefully we can get back to talking about them in every thread again soon.
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Post by bullets92 on Aug 17, 2022 15:14:40 GMT
Peel signed in Portugal at the start of August
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Post by dandayr on Aug 17, 2022 17:51:27 GMT
Johnson is at newcastle uni isnt he? Just got injured so i reckon he could be back? DJT is at Uni here, I'd guess he might play D1 while getting back to fitness. He's cheap for a British big and has big potential upside. Sayers is in Newcastle and for that reason imagine he's returning. He was sat with Darius and the young lads at the GB game. No other returnees on the cards. He is at Northumbria Uni where pre injury played in their BUCS as well as his BBL Eagles. |
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