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Post by baldeagle on Aug 19, 2022 5:59:23 GMT
That’s GroupOn prices!
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Post by irf on Aug 19, 2022 6:14:20 GMT
Lions have released their season tickets and they are incredibly good value, for season tickets for all domestic games + Europe they are a pretty ridiculous £130 for upper bowl and £210 for lower bowl, with the amount of games it will cover it will work out around a fiver per game £80 cheapest for domestic only season ticket in upper tier And yet we know they won't sell loads of season tickets BBL is just a hard sell to Londoners |
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Post by dexter on Nov 22, 2022 20:56:53 GMT
By the measure of number of Instagram followers London Lions is now the biggest indoor sports team in Britain (excluding Belfast Giants or any national teams)
Top 10 UK indoor sports teams by number of Instagram followers
1. Belfast Giants (EIHL) 37k
2. London Lions (BBL) 29.1k
3. Sheffield Steelers (EIHL) 29k
4. Cardiff Devils (EIHL) 25k
5. Nottingham Panthers (EIHL) 23k
6. Manchester Thunder (NSL) 20k
7. Glasgow Clan (EIHL) 17k
8. Loughborough Lightning (NSL) 16k
9. Leicester Riders (BBL) 16k
10. Manchester Storm (EIHL) 14k
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Post by erj14 on Nov 23, 2022 1:07:14 GMT
By the measure of number of Instagram followers London Lions is now the biggest indoor sports team in Britain (excluding Belfast Giants or any national teams) Top 10 UK indoor sports teams by number of Instagram followers 1. Belfast Giants (EIHL) 37k 2. London Lions (BBL) 29.1k 3. Sheffield Steelers (EIHL) 29k 4. Cardiff Devils (EIHL) 25k 5. Nottingham Panthers (EIHL) 23k 6. Manchester Thunder (NSL) 20k 7. Glasgow Clan (EIHL) 17k 8. Loughborough Lightning (NSL) 16k 9. Leicester Riders (BBL) 16k 10. Manchester Storm (EIHL) 14k Wow, I had no idea ice hockey was they popular here. I remember Newcastle having a team at some point but it must've died 10 years ago now. I've just done some very basic YouTube research and seen some pretty full, big arenas for games. I'm surprised it's so popular, considering the very limited chances to play the sport in this country. It does put the Sharks to shame a bit when you see how many people are attending a Steelers game. Wonder of there are any lessons to be learned from some of these hockey team's apparent success with getting bums on seats. I'm also wondering how real some of those followers are for Lions on Instagram. There isn't that much engagement on their posts. |
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Post by dexter on Nov 23, 2022 7:20:31 GMT
By the measure of number of Instagram followers London Lions is now the biggest indoor sports team in Britain (excluding Belfast Giants or any national teams) Top 10 UK indoor sports teams by number of Instagram followers 1. Belfast Giants (EIHL) 37k 2. London Lions (BBL) 29.1k 3. Sheffield Steelers (EIHL) 29k 4. Cardiff Devils (EIHL) 25k 5. Nottingham Panthers (EIHL) 23k 6. Manchester Thunder (NSL) 20k 7. Glasgow Clan (EIHL) 17k 8. Loughborough Lightning (NSL) 16k 9. Leicester Riders (BBL) 16k 10. Manchester Storm (EIHL) 14k Wow, I had no idea ice hockey was they popular here. I remember Newcastle having a team at some point but it must've died 10 years ago now. I've just done some very basic YouTube research and seen some pretty full, big arenas for games. I'm surprised it's so popular, considering the very limited chances to play the sport in this country. It does put the Sharks to shame a bit when you see how many people are attending a Steelers game. Wonder of there are any lessons to be learned from some of these hockey team's apparent success with getting bums on seats. I'm also wondering how real some of those followers are for Lions on Instagram. There isn't that much engagement on their posts. I am new to Instagram but the level of engagement seems consistent with Sheffield Steelers for example. It seems like a pretty low engagement platform. EIHL has the fourth highest average attendance in Europe for ice hockey leagues, behind Switzerland, Sweden and Germany, with an average attendance of 2,885. Five EIHL teams made it into the Top 100 club attendances across Europe: #6 Sheffield Steelers - 6,693 #27 Nottingham Panthers - 4,740 #37 Belfast Giants - 4,155 #55 Cardiff Devils - 3,041 #62 Glasgow Clan - 2,772 www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/2397-eihl-ends-season-with-4th-highest-attendances-in-europeAverage attendances in the BBL and the NSL must be about 1,500 for regular season games, with bigger attendances at the big arena events. All 3 leagues (EIHL, BBL, NSL) have 10 teams. We are always talking about expanding but maybe 10 is a good number. They’re all broadcasted on UK sports channels. EIHL is on Viaplay. BBL and NSL are both on Sky Sports. It is interesting having other similar leagues to compare to. EIHL is clearly the more successful of the three leagues. There could be things these leagues can learn from each other. |
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Post by irf on Nov 23, 2022 8:03:20 GMT
Wow, I had no idea ice hockey was they popular here. I remember Newcastle having a team at some point but it must've died 10 years ago now. I've just done some very basic YouTube research and seen some pretty full, big arenas for games. I'm surprised it's so popular, considering the very limited chances to play the sport in this country. It does put the Sharks to shame a bit when you see how many people are attending a Steelers game. Wonder of there are any lessons to be learned from some of these hockey team's apparent success with getting bums on seats. I'm also wondering how real some of those followers are for Lions on Instagram. There isn't that much engagement on their posts. I am new to Instagram but the level of engagement seems consistent with Sheffield Steelers for example. It seems like a pretty low engagement platform. EIHL has the fourth highest average attendance in Europe for ice hockey leagues, behind Switzerland, Sweden and Germany, with an average attendance of 2,885. Five EIHL teams made it into the Top 100 club attendances across Europe: #6 Sheffield Steelers - 6,693 #27 Nottingham Panthers - 4,740 #37 Belfast Giants - 4,155 #55 Cardiff Devils - 3,041 #62 Glasgow Clan - 2,772 www.eliteleague.co.uk/article/2397-eihl-ends-season-with-4th-highest-attendances-in-europeAverage attendances in the BBL and the NSL must be about 1,500 for regular season games, with bigger attendances at the big arena events. All 3 leagues (EIHL, BBL, NSL) have 10 teams. We are always talking about expanding but maybe 10 is a good number. They’re all broadcasted on UK sports channels. EIHL is on Viaplay. BBL and NSL are both on Sky Sports. It is interesting having other similar leagues to compare to. EIHL is clearly the more successful of the three leagues. There could be things these leagues can learn from each other. I've watched both sports Nottingham Panthers Ice Hockey Leicester Riders Basketball Panthers with triple the fanbase of Riders. They will also fill the arena for Sheffield sharks games (their major rivals) 8,000 to 9,000 ish fans (4,500 average) Observations: Both attract families and die-hard fans Ice Hockey (in Nottingham at least) also seems to attract loads more Uni student age fans who go there as the start of a night out. You don't really see that at Riders Lots of alcohol involved at games Prime city centre location in Nottingham so leads on to a night out or starts earlier with a meal in Nottingham before the game or both Riders on the outskirts of Leicester. Not a place to start a night out from. Prime large events venue in Nottingham. So loads of people on the Arena database and people visiting Nottingham will see the what's on list for the venue whenever visiting Notts and may go for a casual night out when they visit the City. Would be very hard to realise there is basketball happening in Leicester as a casual visitor. Similarly not so easy to know about it even when you live in Leicestershire Obviously the Nottingham Ice Stadium itself gets many users/visitors each week in comparison to Morningside Way more chance for people to discover Ice Hockey matches from visiting the arena, driving past the arena, seeing another event at the arena and/or being on the database from any event they've ever enjoyed there In terms of fun and entertainment once there they are both very similar I would say The prominence, database and location of the arena in Nottingham City Centre is the biggest reason Ice Hockey at Nottingham gets more fans than Basketball in Leicester I would say. Gives them huge opportunities to ensure the public know that ice hockey is happening and available as a night out Neither is an expensive night out compared to other sports in the Cities |
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Post by irf on Nov 23, 2022 8:12:23 GMT
Good example of the difference in pull of the 2 arenas are the followers of each arena on twitter
100k plus Twitter followers of Motorpoint Arena in Notts
Less than 2k followers of Morningside Arena Leicester
Panthers prominent on the arena Twitter every week
Similarly Motorpoint Arena has 10 times the number of followers of Morningside Arena on instagram
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Post by irf on Nov 23, 2022 9:17:21 GMT
Good example of the difference in pull of the 2 arenas are the followers of each arena on twitter 100k plus Twitter followers of Motorpoint Arena in Notts Less than 2k followers of Morningside Arena Leicester Panthers prominent on the arena Twitter every week Similarly Motorpoint Arena has 10 times the number of followers of Morningside Arena on instagram I really believe it's not just the social media presence for the club's that brings fans in But very much the promotion and reach of the arenas themselves they play in Interestingly Copper Box Arena appears to have very little social media presence so won't be helping attract new fans to Lions as far as I can see Something else ive noticed is Plymouth don't take advantage of Plymouth Pavilions social media compared to other events there They are neglecting a huge opportunity in that respect. It's a while since they got a mention on there at all |
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Post by LTfan on Nov 23, 2022 9:55:45 GMT
The EIHL has long been a good comparable to the BBL in the UK in terms of success and following, with the EIHL usually coming out just ahead.
Given the accessibility to actually play the sport the BBL should be an easier sell, so it's disappointing to see the EIHL being the more successful of the two, but full credit to them for achieving that.
Some other observations... the EIHL seems to 'own' Scotland, with 3 teams north of the boarder compared to the BBL's 1.
Also, unlike the BBL, the EIHL don't have a London team. It's probably the most competitive market in the UK for a sports team, but it's also usually the most sought-after market. That's why, in my opinion, the BBL have historically sometimes dropped standards to ensure London still has a presence in the league. But the EIHL clearly aren't as concerned.
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Post by dexter on Nov 23, 2022 10:05:31 GMT
Worcester Wolves come to mind. They have an excellent arena in a good location. I believe they were a popular sports team with the university students. Obviously they’re less appealing now they’re playing in a lower league.
Ashton Gate is a fairly good location I think (I’m happy to be contracted on this). Bristol Flyers have the shared website with Bristol City and Bristol Bears. They should be able to add to their fanbase when they finally move to their Ashton Gate Arena.
Ponds Forge is a good location but a bit too small to attract a big attendance.
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Post by irf on Nov 23, 2022 10:14:10 GMT
Worcester Wolves come to mind. They have an excellent arena in a good location. I believe they were a popular sports team with the university students. Obviously they’re less appealing now they’re playing in a lower league. Ashton Gate is a fairly good location I think (I’m happy to be contracted on this). Bristol Flyers have the shared website with Bristol City and Bristol Bears. They should be able to add to their fanbase when they finally move to their Ashton Gate Arena. Ponds Forge is a good location but a bit too small to attract a big attendance. Worcester used to get great crowds. Was very impressed with them when I went once But I really think any sports team that plays in an arena that is well known in a location for a wide variety of entertainment events and that has a really active database promoting those wide variety of events has a much better chance of attracting new fans who may come once to take a look and then want to come back Riders don't have that yet. Not in comparison to Nottingham Panthers for sure Although Morningside is gradually adding to its array of events so gradually more people will know about the place However Morningside location itself is not the ideal place We've never got that huge billboard near to the road we need for people to even know we are there !! Unless there's one there now? |
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Post by dexter on Nov 23, 2022 10:29:15 GMT
Worcester Wolves come to mind. They have an excellent arena in a good location. I believe they were a popular sports team with the university students. Obviously they’re less appealing now they’re playing in a lower league. Ashton Gate is a fairly good location I think (I’m happy to be contracted on this). Bristol Flyers have the shared website with Bristol City and Bristol Bears. They should be able to add to their fanbase when they finally move to their Ashton Gate Arena. Ponds Forge is a good location but a bit too small to attract a big attendance. Worcester used to get great crowds. Was very impressed with them when I went once But I really think any sports team that plays in an arena that is well known in a location for a wide variety of entertainment events and that has a really active database promoting those wide variety of events has a much better chance of attracting new fans who may come once to take a look and then want to come back Riders don't have that yet. Not in comparison to Nottingham Panthers for sure Although Morningside is gradually adding to its array of events so gradually more people will know about the place However Morningside location itself is not the ideal place We've never got that huge billboard near to the road we need for people to even know we are there !! Unless there's one there now? I have noticed Morningside Arena being mentioned. It seems to be used quite a bit for boxing, snooker and darts. It’s always good when commentators and announcers make a point of saying the name of the venue. Having profitable medium sized venues has to be part of the solution to making the BBL a success. |
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Post by LTfan on Nov 23, 2022 10:43:41 GMT
On the point of venues... does anyone know if any/how many EIHL teams own their arenas in the way Riders and Eagles do in the BBL?
Or any NSL teams for that matter?
Maybe that's one area where the BBL is leading the way?
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Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 23, 2022 11:01:51 GMT
Worcester Wolves come to mind. They have an excellent arena in a good location. I believe they were a popular sports team with the university students. Obviously they’re less appealing now they’re playing in a lower league. Ashton Gate is a fairly good location I think (I’m happy to be contracted on this). Bristol Flyers have the shared website with Bristol City and Bristol Bears. They should be able to add to their fanbase when they finally move to their Ashton Gate Arena. Ponds Forge is a good location but a bit too small to attract a big attendance. Worcester used to get great crowds. Was very impressed with them when I went once But I really think any sports team that plays in an arena that is well known in a location for a wide variety of entertainment events and that has a really active database promoting those wide variety of events has a much better chance of attracting new fans who may come once to take a look and then want to come back Riders don't have that yet. Not in comparison to Nottingham Panthers for sure Although Morningside is gradually adding to its array of events so gradually more people will know about the place However Morningside location itself is not the ideal place We've never got that huge billboard near to the road we need for people to even know we are there !! Unless there's one there now? Built in completely the wrong location. Parking's a nightmare and the new extension has exacerbated that. None of my friends have a clue where it is and I reckon that goes for 90% of Leicestershire residents. |
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Post by dexter on Nov 23, 2022 11:03:50 GMT
On the point of venues... does anyone know if any/how many EIHL teams own their arenas in the way Riders and Eagles do in the BBL? Or any NSL teams for that matter? Maybe that's one area where the BBL is leading the way? The NSL teams don’t own their arenas. 6 of the teams are owned by universities and use the university’s arena, which is not the same thing as owning your own arena. Worcester Wolves and Leeds Force were both in that situation but that seems to work better for netball teams. I think we can conclude BBL tried that approach and it’s not ideal. It’s a good model for NBL. 4 NSL teams use the same Arenas as the BBL. |
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Post by irf on Nov 23, 2022 11:40:35 GMT
Worcester used to get great crowds. Was very impressed with them when I went once But I really think any sports team that plays in an arena that is well known in a location for a wide variety of entertainment events and that has a really active database promoting those wide variety of events has a much better chance of attracting new fans who may come once to take a look and then want to come back Riders don't have that yet. Not in comparison to Nottingham Panthers for sure Although Morningside is gradually adding to its array of events so gradually more people will know about the place However Morningside location itself is not the ideal place We've never got that huge billboard near to the road we need for people to even know we are there !! Unless there's one there now? Built in completely the wrong location. Parking's a nightmare and the new extension has exacerbated that. None of my friends have a clue where it is and I reckon that goes for 90% of Leicestershire residents. And it has nothing near it to enjoy except a couple of Indian restaurants It's a definite negative that doesn't help the club in that respect |
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Post by LTfan on Nov 23, 2022 14:06:34 GMT
On the point of venues... does anyone know if any/how many EIHL teams own their arenas in the way Riders and Eagles do in the BBL? Or any NSL teams for that matter? Maybe that's one area where the BBL is leading the way? The NSL teams don’t own their arenas. 6 of the teams are owned by universities and use the university’s arena, which is not the same thing as owning your own arena. Worcester Wolves and Leeds Force were both in that situation but that seems to work better for netball teams. I think we can conclude BBL tried that approach and it’s not ideal. It’s a good model for NBL. It works for Surrey though, right? |
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Post by dexter on Nov 23, 2022 14:32:42 GMT
The NSL teams don’t own their arenas. 6 of the teams are owned by universities and use the university’s arena, which is not the same thing as owning your own arena. Worcester Wolves and Leeds Force were both in that situation but that seems to work better for netball teams. I think we can conclude BBL tried that approach and it’s not ideal. It’s a good model for NBL. It works for Surrey though, right? Oh yeah I forgot about them. Sorry Surrey. It works if the university is committed to it. And it works for Loughborough Riders, Newcastle University, Essex Rebels, Solent Kestrels. It works well for women’s basketball. |
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on Nov 23, 2022 20:56:12 GMT
The EIHL has long been a good comparable to the BBL in the UK in terms of success and following, with the EIHL usually coming out just ahead. Given the accessibility to actually play the sport the BBL should be an easier sell, so it's disappointing to see the EIHL being the more successful of the two, but full credit to them for achieving that. Some other observations... the EIHL seems to 'own' Scotland, with 3 teams north of the boarder compared to the BBL's 1. Also, unlike the BBL, the EIHL don't have a London team. It's probably the most competitive market in the UK for a sports team, but it's also usually the most sought-after market. That's why, in my opinion, the BBL have historically sometimes dropped standards to ensure London still has a presence in the league. But the EIHL clearly aren't as concerned. One thing I don't like about the EIHL is that the league chairman is also the owner of one of the teams, his team is Sheffield Steelers. My team, Glasgow Clan have had a season to forget so far, went on a long losing streak of 17 or 18 games, in the midst of that run they signed a player, but the fans did some Googling and found out the player was facing legal trouble in the US after he was accused of a very serious crime but fled back home to Finland. There was massive backlash, fans threatening boycotts, sponsors suspended partnerships. The owner launched an investigation, the GM got sacked but is currently still in post as MD of the Arena that the Clan now own, so it's a sideways move. Our owner, who also owns Nottingham then announced he was selling the club and talks are ongoing with an interested party. The coach was sacked for the on-ice results. |
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Post by dexter on Nov 24, 2022 1:05:02 GMT
The EIHL has long been a good comparable to the BBL in the UK in terms of success and following, with the EIHL usually coming out just ahead. Given the accessibility to actually play the sport the BBL should be an easier sell, so it's disappointing to see the EIHL being the more successful of the two, but full credit to them for achieving that. Some other observations... the EIHL seems to 'own' Scotland, with 3 teams north of the boarder compared to the BBL's 1. Also, unlike the BBL, the EIHL don't have a London team. It's probably the most competitive market in the UK for a sports team, but it's also usually the most sought-after market. That's why, in my opinion, the BBL have historically sometimes dropped standards to ensure London still has a presence in the league. But the EIHL clearly aren't as concerned. One thing I don't like about the EIHL is that the league chairman is also the owner of one of the teams, his team is Sheffield Steelers. My team, Glasgow Clan have had a season to forget so far, went on a long losing streak of 17 or 18 games, in the midst of that run they signed a player, but the fans did some Googling and found out the player was facing legal trouble in the US after he was accused of a very serious crime but fled back home to Finland. There was massive backlash, fans threatening boycotts, sponsors suspended partnerships. The owner launched an investigation, the GM got sacked but is currently still in post as MD of the Arena that the Clan now own, so it's a sideways move. Our owner, who also owns Nottingham then announced he was selling the club and talks are ongoing with an interested party. The coach was sacked for the on-ice results. Thank you for explaining that. I did see news of Clan losing sponsors but I didn’t know what had set it all off. Hopefully with their own arena and a large fanbase they’ll get a new owner. |
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