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Post by tony on Jul 8, 2022 9:31:31 GMT
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Post by dexter on Jul 8, 2022 9:38:16 GMT
Does this mean there's now no salary cap? Sorry, I am confused by the term "Team Payments Cap".
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on Jul 8, 2022 9:45:06 GMT
To think where the league was 10 years ago to today it really has been steady progress, a few embarrassing bumps like 2 back to back seasons of teams going winless and then a new team coming in and winning a trophy then folding but in the midst of all that there have been some competitive battles at the top end.
Newcastle, Leicester & London all having their moment to shine, Glasgow Rocks could have been involved in the conversation but Covid put paid to that and it's still something that annoys me, we had a good coach in Lavandier then he left. I think the Rocks are getting a bit better but must improve if they want to contend for honours.
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on Jul 8, 2022 9:45:44 GMT
Does this mean there's now no salary cap? Sorry, I am confused by the term "Team Payments Cap". Yes, that's exactly it |
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Post by dexter on Jul 8, 2022 9:48:35 GMT
Does this mean there's now no salary cap? Sorry, I am confused by the term "Team Payments Cap". Yes, that's exactly it Thanks for clarifying. |
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Post by erj14 on Jul 8, 2022 10:57:59 GMT
I'm astonished the other teams have agreed to this. I really can't see how doing this is going to help any team other than London or maybe Leicester and Newcastle.
Surely a sensible approach would be to relax the rules rather than just scrap it?
Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not a fan.
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Post by tony on Jul 8, 2022 15:20:49 GMT
I think the clubs with money will just buy success and leave the poorest clubs struggling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 15:24:48 GMT
I definitely understand peoples reservations about this, but I can see the logic behind it, and at the end of the day it’s always going to come down to Sensible owners not spending beyond their means, I don’t think the salary cap is ultimately going to change that happening or not, and we’ve lost four teams in as many years with the low salary cap so what is the worst that can actually happen, I think the only team that is really going to push the boat out is London and with the amount of extra games they are playing even if they do manage to get a bit more organised they are definitely going to feel the strain of the extra games On the squad so I think it will even itself out a bit
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Post by almachizzit on Jul 8, 2022 15:25:41 GMT
Cannot wait for the season to start now and watch money get thrown around it’s in never ending supply.
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Post by dexter on Jul 8, 2022 15:37:21 GMT
This could really open up the league and expand it beyond its traditional fan base and existing teams. Once other sports club owners start to see London Lions finding success in Europe, they might be interested in joining the party. Man City's Sheikh owners for example. This is the start of a new era for British basketball.
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Post by mac on Jul 8, 2022 15:55:07 GMT
I'm astonished by this. There isn't enough money in the game to support it. Even if 777 throw money at Lions how long will it last? I cannot see how they hope to get a return on investment.
Remember Royals?
A bad move in my view 🤢
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Post by mac on Jul 8, 2022 16:02:38 GMT
This could really open up the league and expand it beyond its traditional fan base and existing teams. Once other sports club owners start to see London Lions finding success in Europe, they might be interested in joining the party. Man City's Sheikh owners for example. This is the start of a new era for British basketball. Howay man, I get enough stick elsewhere for being a Toon fan. Although if PIF want to get involved at Eagles I can develop a thicker skin. 😬 |
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Post by dexter on Jul 8, 2022 16:13:38 GMT
This could really open up the league and expand it beyond its traditional fan base and existing teams. Once other sports club owners start to see London Lions finding success in Europe, they might be interested in joining the party. Man City's Sheikh owners for example. This is the start of a new era for British basketball. Howay man, I get enough stick elsewhere for being a Toon fan. Although if PIF want to get involved at Eagles I can develop a thicker skin. 😬 That's the kind of owners who might, but I don't think the Eagles are for sale. Manchester Giants, however, seem to be in a precarious situation. If they folded I would imagine Man City picking up the pieces. |
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Post by jumbo on Jul 8, 2022 17:34:58 GMT
In the short term it benefits no-one other than Lions. If Eagles/Riders had the money to go significantly over the cap they'd be playing in Europe. The fact that Eagles haven't tried it and Riders are struggling to make it work shows they don't have the funds to go much beyond the current cap.
If Lions have a competitive Eurocup team playing in the BBL they should do what their WBBL team did last year and go undefeated whilst winning every trophy. It doesn't do anyone any good if that's all that comes from it. Whether it will benefit the league in the long run we'll have to see. Hopefully it encourages investment but the pessimist in me is definitely thinking more along the lines of I'll believe it when I see it.
Taking out the competitive side of things it will be good to see a higher calibre of player in the league and I'd be interested to see how Riders (and any other teams who can raise their game this year) measure up to a team of the standard Lions are looking to put together.
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Jul 8, 2022 18:27:35 GMT
Howay man, I get enough stick elsewhere for being a Toon fan. Although if PIF want to get involved at Eagles I can develop a thicker skin. 😬 That's the kind of owners who might, but I don't think the Eagles are for sale. Manchester Giants, however, seem to be in a precarious situation. If they folded I would imagine Man City picking up the pieces. Why, what's in it for City? OK if it's an attempt to emulate the big continental sports clubs then I can see the point but look how well that's worked out financially for them. How are some of their current debts? |
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Post by dexter on Jul 8, 2022 19:04:55 GMT
That's the kind of owners who might, but I don't think the Eagles are for sale. Manchester Giants, however, seem to be in a precarious situation. If they folded I would imagine Man City picking up the pieces. Why, what's in it for City? OK if it's an attempt to emulate the big continental sports clubs then I can see the point but look how well that's worked out financially for them. How are some of their current debts? I can think of two reasons. To stand them apart from the other big Premier League clubs. Despite their success they don’t enjoy the same level of support internationally as do Liverpool, Man Utd , Arsenal or compared to Real Madrid, FC Barcelona or Bayern Munich. The second reason is I’m sure Euroleague has not nearly reached its full potential. Basketball is popular in Southern Europe and the Middle East and it’s growing in popularity in Africa and Northern Europe. The market for Euroleague could increase a lot . I’m assuming that’s what the current members of Euroleague are counting on . |
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Post by dandayr on Jul 8, 2022 21:55:06 GMT
Interesting development - that would be even more interesting if it was tied to an announcement of a major name league title multi-year sponsor. Then throw in sponsors for he cup and trophy and distribute the money from all these sponsorship deals equally round the clubs. Then this would have been an exciting decision by the BBL. As it stands, it is for now just an interesting development and we need to see what the short term future brings.
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Post by milehigh on Jul 8, 2022 22:23:38 GMT
The decision does go against the previous plan of organic long term growth. It is also concerning that the cap is removed immediately, not giving clubs time to properly plan and budget for the additional expenditure.
Surely it would have been better to increased the cap over a number of years, possibly with an additional cap allowance for side that were playing in Europe.
Removing the cap this way is actually harmful to the competitive balance of the league, is, likely, to lead to clubs failing financially, and will leave a line line of players, coaches and other suppliers unpaid.
also, as there will be increaded expenditure, what incentive is there for the many people who give their time and services at a reduced cost to continue to do so?
At the least, the fees for match officials, and their traveling expences should be raised to fully cover the costs inccured.
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Post by reefram on Jul 8, 2022 23:23:59 GMT
Anyone who thinks big spending teams have stuck to a salary cap for a long long time are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Personal appearances, coaching or even non basketball related activities will undoubtedly boost some players income. That's without under the table brown envelope payments.
Can't really see this changing much.
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Post by erj14 on Jul 9, 2022 8:43:35 GMT
The decision does go against the previous plan of organic long term growth. It is also concerning that the cap is removed immediately, not giving clubs time to properly plan and budget for the additional expenditure. Surely it would have been better to increased the cap over a number of years, possibly with an additional cap allowance for side that were playing in Europe. Removing the cap this way is actually harmful to the competitive balance of the league, is, likely, to lead to clubs failing financially, and will leave a line line of players, coaches and other suppliers unpaid. also, as there will be increaded expenditure, what incentive is there for the many people who give their time and services at a reduced cost to continue to do so? At the least, the fees for match officials, and their traveling expences should be raised to fully cover the costs inccured. The thing is, it doesn't actually change what 90% of the league are actually doing. No team has been hamstrung by the cap until London got their sugar daddies. |
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