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Post by tallerman on Oct 15, 2022 11:00:08 GMT
It's very odd that they're doing so poorly but they beat pats last week so i love them
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Post by stevetino on Oct 15, 2022 11:23:45 GMT
It's very odd that they're doing so poorly but they beat pats last week so i love them Constant roster changes and season long injuries (Rowell-bell) messing up the plans from the start |
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Post by tallerman on Oct 15, 2022 11:45:09 GMT
Very true
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Post by dandayr on Oct 15, 2022 15:53:43 GMT
bit early for the won't make the playoffs card to be getting played I think  I'm the first to put their hand up and say was surprised and worried at the Rocks summer announcements - but the one thing Gareth has over Marc is he has been able to run 9 deep in each game and Rocks looked good with it. Eagles on the other hand have yet to be able to g 9 deep and barely made 8 in a game or two. Once they have this 9th player in, a week of training together and Marc has a couple of games under the belt where it has been able to go 9 deep ok - then is a time to look at what card is to be played on the predictions. Everyone called for a rebuild from them after last season - so now got to give the rebuild in a financially responsible manner a chance to happen. Its not an overnight process unless you go the Lions rebuild approach - and all seem to be in agreement that no other club can rebuild from last season in the way that Lions have except for Lions. |
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Post by irf on Oct 15, 2022 16:17:38 GMT
bit early for the won't make the playoffs card to be getting played I think I'm the first to put their hand up and say was surprised and worried at the Rocks summer announcements - but the one thing Gareth has over Marc is he has been able to run 9 deep in each game and Rocks looked good with it. Eagles on the other hand have yet to be able to g 9 deep and barely made 8 in a game or two. Once they have this 9th player in, a week of training together and Marc has a couple of games under the belt where it has been able to go 9 deep ok - then is a time to look at what card is to be played on the predictions. Everyone called for a rebuild from them after last season - so now got to give the rebuild in a financially responsible manner a chance to happen. Its not an overnight process unless you go the Lions rebuild approach - and all seem to be in agreement that no other club can rebuild from last season in the way that Lions have except for Lions. A rebuild implies players are going to stay and get better each season at Eagles Which of the signings are lined up to do that? Steutel said pre season that they are aiming for Top 3 and have to start winning games from day one I don't think rebuilds apply to BBL myself You have to sign squads that can compete together from the start And if you have the luxury of your best players from previous season coming back again then that's great and almost a bonus Eagles needed to find younger and better versions of Fletch and Defoe etc They aren't going to develop players over here in a season They have to recruit a quality squad that the Eagles fanbase deserves Steutel himself made that clear They needed to show nous like Vince has done |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 16:19:00 GMT
Yeah I don’t really think rebuilds exist in a league with about 10 players total on deals longer than 1 year
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Post by tallerman on Oct 15, 2022 17:32:03 GMT
Painful to say but irf is right(ish)
Rebuilds largely don't exist in the bbl but if you look at Leicester theyve proved it can be done.
Newcastle haven't built a rebuild squad, theyve built a bog standard bbl squad. If they're rebuilding theyve got to have more than 1 vet, around 3 young bench players, not just academy or uni players but players with high ceilings that are reachable and you're willing to work with to improve
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Post by spacejammer on Oct 15, 2022 18:05:13 GMT
Despite the lack of wins I have to disagree with anyone wanting Marc gone.
Right now it is still fairly early days and despite his GB experience it is his first time coaching at this level.
Whilst I have some expectation and want to see us get better and improve I think its far to early to suggesting he gets his P45.
Yes so far the season for us has been anything but smooth but I do still see some potential in our squad and question what are the reasons and who is at fault for the players that have gone?
After the Sheffield loss I do expect a response next week and hopefully some learning.
But right now on the scale for concern I would say I'm now low level concerned meaning I am worried but not overly worried yet.
Granted if come Christmas we are sitting at 0-15 on the league tables or 3-12 then I might start to agree a little more with this.
Having players not work out if one thing however when it comes to coaches the last thing I want to see the Eagles turn into is Watford City FC where we get a new person in every 5 minutes.
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Post by baldeagle on Oct 15, 2022 22:15:26 GMT
bit early for the won't make the playoffs card to be getting played I think I'm the first to put their hand up and say was surprised and worried at the Rocks summer announcements - but the one thing Gareth has over Marc is he has been able to run 9 deep in each game and Rocks looked good with it. Eagles on the other hand have yet to be able to g 9 deep and barely made 8 in a game or two. Once they have this 9th player in, a week of training together and Marc has a couple of games under the belt where it has been able to go 9 deep ok - then is a time to look at what card is to be played on the predictions. Everyone called for a rebuild from them after last season - so now got to give the rebuild in a financially responsible manner a chance to happen. Its not an overnight process unless you go the Lions rebuild approach - and all seem to be in agreement that no other club can rebuild from last season in the way that Lions have except for Lions. A rebuild implies players are going to stay and get better each season at Eagles Which of the signings are lined up to do that? Steutel said pre season that they are aiming for Top 3 and have to start winning games from day one I don't think rebuilds apply to BBL myself You have to sign squads that can compete together from the start And if you have the luxury of your best players from previous season coming back again then that's great and almost a bonus Eagles needed to find younger and better versions of Fletch and Defoe etc They aren't going to develop players over here in a season They have to recruit a quality squad that the Eagles fanbase deserves Steutel himself made that clear They needed to show nous like Vince has done “They needed to show nous like Vince has done”. Hmm, can anyone confirm who is currently funding Vince’s nous? |
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Post by baldeagle on Oct 15, 2022 22:17:30 GMT
Despite the lack of wins I have to disagree with anyone wanting Marc gone. Right now it is still fairly early days and despite his GB experience it is his first time coaching at this level. Whilst I have some expectation and want to see us get better and improve I think its far to early to suggesting he gets his P45. Yes so far the season for us has been anything but smooth but I do still see some potential in our squad and question what are the reasons and who is at fault for the players that have gone? After the Sheffield loss I do expect a response next week and hopefully some learning. But right now on the scale for concern I would say I'm now low level concerned meaning I am worried but not overly worried yet. Granted if come Christmas we are sitting at 0-15 on the league tables or 3-12 then I might start to agree a little more with this. Having players not work out if one thing however when it comes to coaches the last thing I want to see the Eagles turn into is Watford City FC where we get a new person in every 5 minutes. Spot on |
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Post by irf on Oct 15, 2022 22:31:39 GMT
Don't think anyone on here is suggesting Steutel should go
Are Eagles fans doing that elsewhere on social media?
Way too early for that
Whoever recruits or recommends players to Eagles is letting them down badly though
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Post by stevetino on Oct 15, 2022 22:36:07 GMT
Don't think anyone on here is suggesting Steutel should go Are Eagles fans doing that elsewhere on social media? Way too early for that Whoever recruits or recommends players to Eagles is letting them down badly though I’ve not seen anybody suggesting Steutel out IRF, what would that achieve at this point? Be madness |
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Post by baldereagle on Oct 16, 2022 7:25:47 GMT
Fully agree we stick with Marc for at least this and next season - if we can rebuild a trophy winning team it must start with the coaching AND RECRUITING staff. As someone said before, we are not Man U fans thinking we have automatic entitlement to win.
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Post by milehigh on Oct 16, 2022 8:41:26 GMT
It is interesting to see that both Stuetel and Vear have failed to deliver when given BBL head coaching roles.
Perhaps they are not as good as some of their supporters would have us believe.
The young british coach with the best record of developing a program, players and winning trophies, both as a lead assistant and head coach is no longer actively involved in coaching basketball, but is now in charge of all coaching development at one on the UK's top universities.
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Post by spacejammer on Oct 16, 2022 8:44:35 GMT
To be honest despite having no wins I certainly think it's an exaggeration those saying our recent game was the worst Eagles performance ever.
I would say most the games I saw last year were far worse then some of the games I have seen.
Leicester at home last season on 1st April 2022 was woeful.
And what annoyed me even more then getting beat was seeing our players laughing in the 3rd Quarter when we were getting crucified.
That was the moment I felt Mac knew he needed to go.
Back to the present Eagles I have no idea what is going on.
I noticed the women's team have pulled out of a game as Essexs due to injuries.
And it seems like a lot of uncharacteristic things keep on happening right now within the organisation.
That being said compared to some other clubs at least we know how to handle these situations professionally though.
Only other thing I would say is the BBL has gotten tougher.
The days where Eagles used to rock up and blow apart most teams in front of them does not seem to happen now and teams have really up'd there game.
I hardly look at any match now and think it's going to be a walk over.
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Post by irf on Oct 16, 2022 9:00:56 GMT
To be honest despite having no wins I certainly think it's an exaggeration those saying our recent game was the worst Eagles performance ever. I would say most the games I saw last year were far worse then some of the games I have seen. Leicester at home last season on 1st April 2022 was woeful. And what annoyed me even more then getting beat was seeing our players laughing in the 3rd Quarter when we were getting crucified. That was the moment I felt Mac knew he needed to go. Back to the present Eagles I have no idea what is going on. I noticed the women's team have pulled out of a game as Essexs due to injuries. And it seems like a lot of uncharacteristic things keep on happening right now within the organisation. That being said compared to some other clubs at least we know how to handle these situations professionally though. Only other thing I would say is the BBL has gotten tougher. The days where Eagles used to rock up and blow apart most teams in front of them does not seem to happen now and teams have really up'd there game. I hardly look at any match now and think it's going to be a walk over. I said in the summer I believe Eagles have been left behind on the court by other BBL clubs for several years now Got my usual bit of stick for saying stuff like that about Eagles. I've always realised daring to question the ownership/leadership decisions at Eagles on here can cause upset But you at least are kind of agreeing with me above I would say Steutels obvious opportunity was surely to start building a great group of young British players at Eagles. Something every BBL club who want to challenge for the top of the league need lets be honest. I think even those who disagree with my observations on Eagles accept they need much deeper squads than they've signed in the past Honestly I've not followed Eagles signings closely But have they significantly improved their core of British players this season under Steutel. As that's where he should have all the contacts and inside track? Those are also the type of players more likely to lay down some roots and stay multiple seasons as we know When it comes to bringing in quality imports. Clearly Steutel has no experience of that. But equally I would suggest whoever helps Eagles with that either from the UK or from overseas has not exactly pulled any trees up in the last 5 years plus Whens the next Fletch going to arrive? Since Fab last won trophies. I have no doubt on the court Eagles have gone backwards whilst most of the the rest of the league have gone forwards This can ONLY be bad recruitment compared to others in the League. And not down to coaching. Simply because they went backwards whilst still having Fab as coach for 2 or 3 years. A coach who clearly knew how to win stuff. And I realise Eagles have won trophies since then But the way to judge the quality of a team overall has to be League position. As that tells the real story of how the team compares to others. IMO Eagles league position has consistently got worse season on season including with Fab as coach And Eagles fans and owner and coach all have ambition and aspirations to challenge for the league again. You can tell the owner does as every post season he promises another new "reboot", " "rebuild" of the squad etc Initially that was to try and compete with Riders Now it's to try and compete with everyone The owner really has to seriously review player recruitment Is it budget related? |
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Post by isthaturinal on Oct 16, 2022 11:12:45 GMT
Don't think anyone on here is suggesting Steutel should go Steutel should go ! |
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Post by erj14 on Oct 17, 2022 10:46:53 GMT
Steutel was not my first choice to take over as head coach, and I would've preferred someone with more BBL level experience to have the job. Having said that, he needs to be given at least a couple seasons to prove himself and he has my full support for that.
The start to this season has been a disaster and the recruitment has been mixed to say the least. I think our back court is decent but the front court is a mess. I appreciate we lost Bell but the signing of Duke Shelton still bewilders me. Saw enough of him last year to know he isn't a net positive BBL player, adding very little to the team. We therefore have to rely (AGAIN!!!) on an aging Darius. Defoe is still capable of giving us 15-20 minutes a game, but at the moment he's starting which is just ridiculous.
On the court I've actually seen positive signs with the way the ball is being moved and also the defensive intensity. I also like Steutel's coaching style from the sidelines, more of the Rob P style than Mcleods solemn captain of a sinking ship style.
Ultimately though the recruitment has to be right for us to do anything. They haven't done that this season so far.
For me they need to cut Shelton and bring in an import who can start at centre. They also need another big who would need to be British, slim pickings at the moment.......
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Post by stevetino on Oct 17, 2022 16:02:46 GMT
This kind of sums things up very neatly for now
”The start to this season has been a disaster and the recruitment has been mixed to say the least. I think our back court is decent but the front court is a mess. I appreciate we lost Bell but the signing of Duke Shelton still bewilders me. Saw enough of him last year to know he isn't a net positive BBL player, adding very little to the team. We therefore have to rely (AGAIN!!!) on an aging Darius. Defoe is still capable of giving us 15-20 minutes a game, but at the moment he's starting which is just ridiculous”.
Things can only get better but we seem to be stumbling from recruitment issues to injuries to cohesion by the game, can’t see is troubling flyers either so looking like 0-5 soon
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