Glasgow Rocks v Leicester Riders - Tuesday 19th April

[SamH]

Rocks v Riders, 7.30pm


Discuss!

[dandayr]

high scoring affair 103:101
though it may go to OT and be even higher

[topcata]

All depends if it’s Riders kids or first team?

[isthaturinal]

I saw pictures of DNH, Whelan and McKenzie making the trip north, not sure about the rest.

[irf]

When I saw our run in after we won the league

This was the game I suspected we might rest players

I'm expecting Rocks to win this game tonight

Would have been a tough game and road trip even with a full squad

[massiveridersfan]

Well we won that at a canter. Always looked in control and scored at will. Surprised we had a full roster travelled to Glasgow. However, think that's a good thing because we need to maintain momentum into the playoffs. Hope Washington is alright.

[blueskies99]

Apr 19, 2022 20:06:46 GMT massiveridersfan said:

Well we won that at a canter. Always looked in control and scored at will. Surprised we had a full roster travelled to Glasgow. However, think that's a good thing because we need to maintain momentum into the playoffs. Hope Washington is alright.

Conner seemed to be OK at the end as he was shaking hands with everyone and seemed to be walking OK.....no visible signs of any injury

[waltsinger]

So does anyone seriously believe that Riders played a hard 40 minutes and committed only six fouls (+ 2 technicals). While the rocks were called for 20 (+3 technicals). One interpretation of the rules for Riders and a different interpretation for Rocks.

[irf]

[massiveridersfan]

Crandall was excellent (with no hangover from Sunday's ejection) but so were many others for Riders, e.g. Mackenzie, Walker, Whelan etc. Great to see how well the bench players did in Q4.

[spacejammer]

Apr 19, 2022 20:54:19 GMT waltsinger said:

So does anyone seriously believe that Riders played a hard 40 minutes and committed only six fouls (+ 2 technicals). While the rocks were called for 20 (+3 technicals). One interpretation of the rules for Riders and a different interpretation for Rocks.

Although I haven't seen the game considering the Leicester matches I have seen yes I can believe it.

What makes Leicester a difficult team is the fact they play good defence whilst creating little or hardly any contact.
I think the only time I seen them score 5 fouls in a quarter was when they picked up 3 technicals at once against the Giants on Sky the other week.

Although getting technicals could one day potentially come back to bite them in a big game if this starts to become a more regular habit.
Otherwise their may come a game where that silly and unnecessary tech could have been the difference in a tight ball game.

[dandayr]

Apr 19, 2022 16:05:14 GMT dandayr said:

high scoring affair 103:101
though it may go to OT and be even higher

well I got the Riders side of the score correct in my post lol

[stepback3]

Walt is spot on. Im sorry you know its bad when even Rob P is smirking at getting calls. Jonny bunyan also had a pop at the officials after the whistle.

[irf]

Apr 20, 2022 6:48:44 GMT stepback3 said:

Walt is spot on. Im sorry you know its bad when even Rob P is smirking at getting calls. Jonny bunyan also had a pop at the officials after the whistle.

At the end of the day we've won away in a tough location by 15 points despite playing kids for most of the final quarter

We were able to play kids in the final quarter because we led by 22 points going into it!

Geno only played 21 mins

Our big guys - Nelson Henry and Mo Walker just 14 mins each

I would suggest we've won the game on cruise control rather than playing "hard" for 40 mins??


So not sure why anyone is really worried about the refs in this game tbh?

The best team won with lots to spare



In a game I actually thought we might lose



You've just watched Riders playing well within themselves rather than playing hard for 40 mins?

And the foul count no doubt reflects that

Nobody at Riders wants to get injured before the playoffs

I would save looking at the foul count for closer games when BOTH teams are giving it 100% and every point actually means something

I also say fair play to Riders for playing the full squad up there in front of the Rocks fans when they didn't need to

[A tall man]

Yes Riders get more foul calls in their favour, they have for a few years now. That's the nature of refs in this country. They give favourable calls based on who wins. Always have, always will

[waltsinger]

" You've just watched Riders playing well within themselves rather than playing hard for 40 mins? "

Rather patronising IRF! I've been watching basketball in the UK for almost 40 years and I'll draw my own interpretations of how games have played out, I don't need some verdict through Riders-tinted spectacles.

The game was lost in the last 3:23 of the 3rd quarter when the score went from 61-70 to 61-83. Rocks for those 3:23 had Malcolm, Bunyan and Jacdonmi on court because Jordan Johnson and Vance Johnson were on the bench in foul trouble.

They were in foul trouble because there were multiple instances of bad calls or no calls favouring Riders last night. A Tall Man is correct. Knowledgeable fans can spot that and I was aware of that feeling from the crowd last night. And when normally unruffled sportsmen like Jonny Bunyan are sufficiently incensed to speak out and pick up a technical, that reinforces my belief that the game was poorly officiated and Riders profited because their bench five are almost as good as their starters. Not something that Rocks and most other clubs have a budget to afford sadly.

[irf]

Apr 20, 2022 15:34:06 GMT waltsinger said:

" You've just watched Riders playing well within themselves rather than playing hard for 40 mins? "

Rather patronising IRF! I've been watching basketball in the UK for almost 40 years and I'll draw my own interpretations of how games have played out, I don't need some verdict through Riders-tinted spectacles.

The game was lost in the last 3:23 of the 3rd quarter when the score went from 61-70 to 61-83. Rocks for those 3:23 had Malcolm, Bunyan and Jacdonmi on court because Jordan Johnson and Vance Johnson were on the bench in foul trouble.

They were in foul trouble because there were multiple instances of bad calls or no calls favouring Riders last night. A Tall Man is correct. Knowledgeable fans can spot that and I was aware of that feeling from the crowd last night. And when normally unruffled sportsmen like Jonny Bunyan are sufficiently incensed to speak out and pick up a technical, that reinforces my belief that the game was poorly officiated and Riders profited because their bench five are almost as good as their starters. Not something that Rocks and most other clubs have a budget to afford sadly.

Ok put the defeat down to bad refs then

Hopefully you get some better refs if you play us again this season and the result will be different for you



Genuine question though

How can you look at the minutes shared between the 12 players we used last night and believe that is Riders playing "hard for 40 minutes"


Our starting 5 only played about 60% of the minutes they would normally play??


Can you not accept we could have played much harder and tougher against you?

Did you not see a Riders team wanting to put on a competitive performance but also playing with a big eye to protecting our players for the playoffs?


I'm not being patronising. But suggesting genuine reasons why our foul count might be lower than normal. As it wasn't a do or die game for us of any kind.

Great to pick up the win though.



(I think it's pretty fair of me to suggest you had/have some Rocks tinted glasses on as well if you cant accept that?)

[isthaturinal]

By what’s been said thinking back Riders were lucky to beat Lions the other night,
The refs must have been biased toward the almighty Lions as Crandall picked up two technicals in the matter of a few second,
When will these refs officiate fairly

I’ll put that W down to a lucky day at the office.

[blueskies99]

Apr 20, 2022 15:34:06 GMT waltsinger said:

" You've just watched Riders playing well within themselves rather than playing hard for 40 mins? "

Rather patronising IRF! I've been watching basketball in the UK for almost 40 years and I'll draw my own interpretations of how games have played out, I don't need some verdict through Riders-tinted spectacles.

The game was lost in the last 3:23 of the 3rd quarter when the score went from 61-70 to 61-83. Rocks for those 3:23 had Malcolm, Bunyan and Jacdonmi on court because Jordan Johnson and Vance Johnson were on the bench in foul trouble.

They were in foul trouble because there were multiple instances of bad calls or no calls favouring Riders last night. A Tall Man is correct. Knowledgeable fans can spot that and I was aware of that feeling from the crowd last night. And when normally unruffled sportsmen like Jonny Bunyan are sufficiently incensed to speak out and pick up a technical, that reinforces my belief that the game was poorly officiated and Riders profited because their bench five are almost as good as their starters. Not something that Rocks and most other clubs have a budget to afford sadly.

Does that refereeing team always officiate at Rocks home games?

[stepback3]

Riders deserved to win. They are the best put together team in the league this season. The way coach coaches no way are they not playing hard. Walshe would play good minutes on a number of teams in the league.

There is a reason that Lions dont get scottish refs when they travel north of the border. Vince kicked off one game (He got stuck chucking his jacket on the court if I remember correctly) and ever since you are lucky if 1 ref is Scottish based for that game.

Unfortunately we are stuck week in week out with roughly the same crew of officials. 1 in particular is awful. Last nights foul count says it all when at one point Rob P is smirking and laughing at calls. As Walt has highlighted exactly the game swung in a very small amount of time due to foul trouble.