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Post by lochrocks on Nov 12, 2024 16:29:47 GMT
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Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 12, 2024 16:57:46 GMT
Inevitable really. Team has had injury issues BUT it was seriously underperforming.
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Post by colicab85 on Nov 12, 2024 17:15:46 GMT
Want this to happen at Sharks.
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Post by johnjack on Nov 12, 2024 17:19:59 GMT
Inevitable really. Team has had injury issues BUT it was seriously underperforming. Kind of agree, poor performances so far for the Glads. Their over the summer recruitment looks to have not been great considering the investment they had. They have also been down trending, Trophy win + Playoff Semi Final, Trophy Semi + Playoff QF. Out of this years trophy with out as much of a whimper and far to early for the league. Team wise, without Patrick Whelan you struggle to see where your points are coming from. |
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on Nov 12, 2024 17:22:22 GMT
If you want to be a serious team and challenge for trophies, especially with who owns the EK team then sometimes it's better to change.
Yes the EK team has won silverware but you have to be consistent, injuries can happen to any team but they adapt.
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Post by tallerman on Nov 12, 2024 20:15:34 GMT
At what point did they attempt to support Gareth I wonder. A rookie coach Is how so many bbl teams recruit and coaching is np easy feat. Replacing Alan Keane with Daryl Woods was the beginning of the end really.
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Post by almachizzit on Nov 12, 2024 22:00:18 GMT
Time to get Sterling Davis back
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Nov 12, 2024 23:48:58 GMT
Have Gladiators 'seriously underperformed' so far or are they just legitimately not a very good team? I'm leaning towards the latter personally. I've been hearing for months about what a 'good squad' they have but outside of Whelan, it's never been clear to me which of these guys I'm supposed to be particularly impressed by. Stuckman, Hill, Barnes, Hughes, Fagbenle wasn't exactly a statement of intent summer in my estimation.
My general feeling with Gladiators right now is that expectations have risen to a level that really isn't reflected in their spending. Doesn't necessarily mean I think Murray should have stayed in the job but I'm not convinced a different coach does dramatically better with this group. As a collection of individual talent, I think they look a pretty ordinary bunch. Not convinced they're a particularly well constructed team either.
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Post by dandayr on Nov 12, 2024 23:56:05 GMT
ironic socials timing
Post that delighted to announce the continued partnership with: Just Employment Law
1hr later post the HC has been shifted out to a new role
Be interesting to see if any further fallout from the shift as the High Performance Program already has two leads.
Donnie leading the female side and Daryl leading the male side
assume they both like Gareth did and Chantelle does will be lead by director of basketball Miguel, so unclear what the new role for Gareth will be and where fit
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Post by almachizzit on Nov 13, 2024 1:33:53 GMT
Have Gladiators 'seriously underperformed' so far or are they just legitimately not a very good team? I'm leaning towards the latter personally. I've been hearing for months about what a 'good squad' they have but outside of Whelan, it's never been clear to me which of these guys I'm supposed to be particularly impressed by. Stuckman, Hill, Barnes, Hughes, Fagbenle wasn't exactly a statement of intent summer in my estimation. My general feeling with Gladiators right now is that expectations have risen to a level that really isn't reflected in their spending. Doesn't necessarily mean I think Murray should have stayed in the job but I'm not convinced a different coach does dramatically better with this group. As a collection of individual talent, I think they look a pretty ordinary bunch. Not convinced they're a particularly well constructed team either. People were foever saying that the Gladiators were throwing bad money after good to get silverware. How true that was I neither know nor care but if it was true then it would have to had changed after the BBL went tits up. Duncan Smilie would fart in a lift and then charge you to smell it so i believe the Gladiators owners had some other peoples money to throw aroung for investment. |
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Post by D44 on Nov 13, 2024 14:02:28 GMT
Team who recruited 5 centres struggle in BBL for some reason shocker.
Given they've just had their best ever European result beating a German BBL team the timing seems odd. Unless he wanted to step down or fell out with players which made it untenable.
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Post by spacejammer on Nov 13, 2024 14:41:01 GMT
No suprised really but I'm glad they did it in the right way and were able to move Gareth on to elsewhere in the organisation instead of getting rid of him like when the Lions booted Vince out.
Question is now who will they get to replace him?
Perhaps Paul James or Matt Newby if your looking for experienced Ex BBL coaches.
Or will they look to go for a new unknown coach from overseas?
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Post by LTfan on Nov 13, 2024 16:00:06 GMT
No suprised really but I'm glad they did it in the right way and were able to move Gareth on to elsewhere in the organisation instead of getting rid of him like when the Lions booted Vince out. Question is now who will they get to replace him? Perhaps Paul James or Matt Newby if your looking for experienced Ex BBL coaches. Or will they look to go for a new unknown coach from overseas? Although I think it was a mistake for the new Lions organisation to not keep Vince involved, he had just received a very large cheque for selling the club so it's not like he was just thrown on the scrap heap. Speaking of Vince, not wanting to derail this thread, but did I see yesterday that he's just been fired from his German coaching job? If so might he be a long shot for the Caledonia job? EDIT: actually the only reference I can see to Vince being fired from Artland Dragons is a tweet from Drew Lasker, so I don't know how correct that is. |
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Post by jt on Nov 13, 2024 16:54:54 GMT
No suprised really but I'm glad they did it in the right way and were able to move Gareth on to elsewhere in the organisation instead of getting rid of him like when the Lions booted Vince out. Question is now who will they get to replace him? Perhaps Paul James or Matt Newby if your looking for experienced Ex BBL coaches. Or will they look to go for a new unknown coach from overseas? Although I think it was a mistake for the new Lions organisation to not keep Vince involved, he had just received a very large cheque for selling the club so it's not like he was just thrown on the scrap heap. Speaking of Vince, not wanting to derail this thread, but did I see yesterday that he's just been fired from his German coaching job? If so might he be a long shot for the Caledonia job? EDIT: actually the only reference I can see to Vince being fired from Artland Dragons is a tweet from Drew Lasker, so I don't know how correct that is. Vince was just released, he confirmed it on instagram. I don't think he would be a good fit for the Glads though. It did feel like when we were in Europe Cup we had a bigger budget which did us well in the first round, but his coaching wasn't up to par against the more competent teams.. I would think Gladiators would look for a coach who's had a little success in European competition |
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Post by spacejammer on Nov 13, 2024 18:05:06 GMT
Although I think it was a mistake for the new Lions organisation to not keep Vince involved, he had just received a very large cheque for selling the club so it's not like he was just thrown on the scrap heap. Speaking of Vince, not wanting to derail this thread, but did I see yesterday that he's just been fired from his German coaching job? If so might he be a long shot for the Caledonia job? EDIT: actually the only reference I can see to Vince being fired from Artland Dragons is a tweet from Drew Lasker, so I don't know how correct that is. Vince was just released, he confirmed it on instagram. I don't think he would be a good fit for the Glads though. It did feel like when we were in Europe Cup we had a bigger budget which did us well in the first round, but his coaching wasn't up to par against the more competent teams.. I would think Gladiators would look for a coach who's had a little success in European competition Interesting. Gladiators lose their coach and suddenly Vince Mccauley is coincidentally fired as well. Surely I'm not the only one who is wondering if Gladiators had foresaw and planned for this? With regards to Europe as much as I admire Gladiators for giving it a go. It seems like they have kind of punched above their weight entering the Europe Cup at this time. Whilst the ENBL might not be as big, to me it seems like a better destination both competively and financially for the SLB clubs at the moment. |
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Post by spacejammer on Nov 13, 2024 18:23:56 GMT
I found this article on Artland Dragons Facebook page. I copied the link but also put the article into Google translate and copied it down below what it says. www.artland-dragons.de/saison/news/news-detail/article/pressemitteilung-artland-dragons-entlassen-headcoach-vince-macaulay.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawGhzcdleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHUqet2pOM3uHyb9D6qQ12vTT6QgmCj6yHgcEUZ16hoxZqnF9_rFad2zz6Q_aem_FAX0CvnlBCnpM90sXiJItQ"The Artland Dragons have parted ways with their head coach Vince Macaulay. Sports director Patrick Elzie will take over the team on an interim basis until a permanent solution is found. The decision was made due to the current sporting situation. Four wins at the start against the current basement children of the league were followed by five defeats in a row against playoff candidates. Statement from sporting director Patrick Elzie: “Firing Vince was a very difficult decision for us. In the short time we worked together, I learned to really appreciate him as a person. Unfortunately, our daily business is very fast-paced and a coach is measured by his results. As I mentioned after the defeat in Karlsruhe, after a good start we slipped into a downward spiral. This decision is a measure to free us from this spiral. I would like to thank Vince for the work he has done and wish him all the best for the future.” Managing director Marius Kröger on the decision: “It was very difficult for all of us to make this decision, but we were forced to end our collaboration with Vince. We want to avoid a similar scenario to last season repeating itself. After five defeats in a row, we unfortunately saw an urgent need for action. I would like to thank Vince for his professionalism and the work he has done.” The Artland Dragons would like to thank Vince Macaulay for his commitment and wish him all the best for the future." |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 13, 2024 19:24:53 GMT
"Basement children" is potentially the most belittling phrase I've seen in a press release. Love it.
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Post by LTfan on Nov 14, 2024 13:21:33 GMT
"Basement children" is potentially the most belittling phrase I've seen in a press release. Love it. I'm going to assume something was lost in translation there, but yes, it's a great phrase.  |
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Post by LTfan on Nov 14, 2024 13:32:32 GMT
Although I think it was a mistake for the new Lions organisation to not keep Vince involved, he had just received a very large cheque for selling the club so it's not like he was just thrown on the scrap heap. Speaking of Vince, not wanting to derail this thread, but did I see yesterday that he's just been fired from his German coaching job? If so might he be a long shot for the Caledonia job? EDIT: actually the only reference I can see to Vince being fired from Artland Dragons is a tweet from Drew Lasker, so I don't know how correct that is. Vince was just released, he confirmed it on instagram. I don't think he would be a good fit for the Glads though. It did feel like when we were in Europe Cup we had a bigger budget which did us well in the first round, but his coaching wasn't up to par against the more competent teams.. I would think Gladiators would look for a coach who's had a little success in European competition Firstly let me say I don't think Vince Macaulay will get the Gladiators job. However it really depends on that Gladiators budget is. I thought Vince did a decent job with London in their early (FIBA Europe Cup) european adventures. I'd agree his coaching isn't Euro Cup standard, but neither are Gladiators! So it really depends on who's available and who's in their price range. As for Vince, it sounds like he's not happy with what's happened at Artland Dragons. But remember he now co-owns NBL D1 Thames Valley Cavaliers (alongside with Nhamo Shire) so he's plenty to keep himself busy if he wishes. |
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Post by allendixon on Nov 14, 2024 14:46:54 GMT
Vince may well be upset, but in essence it’s only the BBL where coaches are insulated from being fired for poor performances in short time periods. I realise I am typing this on a thread where a coach has been moved, but in my opinion a move upstairs is not the same. People have called out names of coaches for years that have stayed in jobs in general because they are cheap, or free. How many SLB coaches would survive in other European leagues even outside of top flight teams? Remember Finch went from winning everything to being fired himself in short order.
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