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Post by spacejammer on Aug 22, 2024 18:44:40 GMT
I stumbled across a story today on social media from the Philippines Basketball Association who are apparently introducing a new 4 point line in their league and were rumoured to be looking at a 5 point line as well. I read into it a little more and I was curious to see the opinions and what the thoughts were on this. From reading into it the idea of a 4 or 5 point line sounds bizarre. And it would really make shooters have to check their position on the floor as to where they shoot from. Not to mention if you foul someone on the 4 point line in the act of shooting then it means you could be looking 5 point play. Whether the new British Super League should bring this in I honestly can't see many leagues getting on board and try to mess around with the rules of Basketball. But for anyone wanting to look at the story here is a link from ESPN. www.espn.com/basketball/pba/story/_/id/40863843/how-does-four-point-line-work-pba |
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Post by SamH on Aug 22, 2024 18:57:07 GMT
I don't think so - maybe for the all star game but even then I'd prefer hot spots (NBA Jam TE edition, anyone?) than a whole line. All those lines will do is encourage players to jack up low percentage shots resulting in long rebounds and fast breaks, it won't be a good look. I've said before, I'd rather see additional points being awarded for things like margin of victory or reaching a certain number of points, or holding your opponent under a certain number. That would keep games competitive to the final buzzer even when not that close, because there could still be points to be won (and maybe lost) which would also spice the league table up a bit more. Personally I'd prefer that than tinkering with the actual rules of the game.
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Post by tallerman on Aug 22, 2024 19:08:39 GMT
Not a fan at all, there's a good video about it here
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Post by SamH on Aug 22, 2024 19:17:42 GMT
haha - 3.17 in on that video, there's Pop pushing for the 4 and 5 point lines because no one plays any defence anymore anyway.  Gotta love grumpy Pop, but as usual he's right - defence has gone down the pan and they all take too many 3s as it is so why not just shoot from further and further out until its like the Globetrotters! |
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Post by SamH on Aug 22, 2024 19:21:37 GMT
Oooh, if the NBA did want to trial it, why not put it in for the in-season play-in tournament final (which doesn't count towards the standings)? Or even all the play in tournament games. Let's see what happens...but I don't think it would be good.
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Post by mac on Aug 22, 2024 19:31:33 GMT
No from me, we are not the Globetrotters.
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Post by ScottishBasketballFan on Aug 22, 2024 19:59:34 GMT
Yes, pointless gimmick, why not just increase the points each shot is worth, like 3 points for a FG and instead of 3 Points from beyond the arc why not double it to 6?
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Post by dexter on Aug 22, 2024 20:52:47 GMT
I'm not against it. If there's a 3 point line why not a 4 point line? I don't imagine it would be attempted very often but it would be interesting at the end of the game if a team's 4 points behind. I would prefer that to the fouls that drag out the last few seconds of the game which I do not enjoy at all.
It would also be fun if a player gets a couple of 4s in a row. I can only imagine how excited Josh Bett would be.
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Post by SamH on Aug 22, 2024 22:16:41 GMT
But you would still have the same problem with the fouls at the end of the game - even more so because a team could be another point behind but still think they can catch up if the opponent misses free throws and they hit a 4 pointer. So if a team is down 7 with 15 seconds left they would probably give up. With a 4 point shot available they might foul, 2 misses then a 4 pointer goes in, foul again and who knows...
If they have to have it then why not say shots only count for 4 points in the final 5 minutes of the game or something, therefore not turning the game into a long distance shootout with plenty of bricks. It's bad enough now with 3 pointers when that happens.
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Post by dexter on Aug 23, 2024 5:17:22 GMT
But you would still have the same problem with the fouls at the end of the game - even more so because a team could be another point behind but still think they can catch up if the opponent misses free throws and they hit a 4 pointer. So if a team is down 7 with 15 seconds left they would probably give up. With a 4 point shot available they might foul, 2 misses then a 4 pointer goes in, foul again and who knows... If they have to have it then why not say shots only count for 4 points in the final 5 minutes of the game or something, therefore not turning the game into a long distance shootout with plenty of bricks. It's bad enough now with 3 pointers when that happens. Good point. Also yes it could be better to have the 4 point shot available at certain times rather than all the game. This does seem like something that should be tried out in a cup competition rather than the league. |
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Post by spacejammer on Aug 23, 2024 6:02:43 GMT
Interesting points so far.
I wonder if they had the same conversations and thoughts when it came to implementing the 3 point line in basketball before it was officially introduced.
Given our league doesn't have VAR I'm not sure if this would work as I can see them constantly having to review the shots to check if a player was in or out of bounds.
Plus will the officials really be able to make the correct call as to what shot it is a 3 or 4 point shot given some of the performances we have seen?
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 23, 2024 8:59:02 GMT
I think it's ridiculous. Since when was the game of basketball in its current guise not enough?
The hearn experiment proved gimmicks like this simply aren't worth it.
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Post by dexter on Aug 23, 2024 10:12:14 GMT
I think it's ridiculous. Since when was the game of basketball in its current guise not enough? The hearn experiment proved gimmicks like this simply aren't worth it. Well it's got media attention for the league that did this. If SLB wants to grab attention it will have to do something different, not just copy. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 23, 2024 10:55:01 GMT
I think it's ridiculous. Since when was the game of basketball in its current guise not enough? The hearn experiment proved gimmicks like this simply aren't worth it. Well it's got media attention for the league that did this. If SLB wants to grab attention it will have to do something different, not just copy. Copy what? The FIBA approved rules of basketball? |
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Post by dexter on Aug 23, 2024 11:02:17 GMT
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Post by SamH on Aug 23, 2024 11:13:18 GMT
Interesting points so far. I wonder if they had the same conversations and thoughts when it came to implementing the 3 point line in basketball before it was officially introduced. Given our league doesn't have VAR I'm not sure if this would work as I can see them constantly having to review the shots to check if a player was in or out of bounds. Plus will the officials really be able to make the correct call as to what shot it is a 3 or 4 point shot given some of the performances we have seen? I have seen a video clip of the nba commissioner when the 3 point line was introduced. He explained it was to help guards and smaller players have more value and impact against the big men. As back then bigs couldn't shoot. But now big can shoot and guards can rebound, so adding a 4 point line doesn't really add value for anyone. |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 23, 2024 11:30:38 GMT
Yeah I've seen it and it sucks. |
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Post by almachizzit on Aug 23, 2024 17:37:21 GMT
I would like to see the British Basketball introduce the Nick Elam rule.
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Post by spacejammer on Aug 23, 2024 18:50:12 GMT
Interesting points so far. I wonder if they had the same conversations and thoughts when it came to implementing the 3 point line in basketball before it was officially introduced. Given our league doesn't have VAR I'm not sure if this would work as I can see them constantly having to review the shots to check if a player was in or out of bounds. Plus will the officials really be able to make the correct call as to what shot it is a 3 or 4 point shot given some of the performances we have seen? I have seen a video clip of the nba commissioner when the 3 point line was introduced. He explained it was to help guards and smaller players have more value and impact against the big men. As back then bigs couldn't shoot. But now big can shoot and guards can rebound, so adding a 4 point line doesn't really add value for anyone. If 777 were still in charge and the NBA added a 4 point line then what are the chances the BBL would also implement a 4 point line I wonder? |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Aug 23, 2024 21:00:56 GMT
I would like to see the British Basketball introduce the Nick Elam rule. Imagine how many badminton players that would piss off over here... |
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Gotta love grumpy Pop, but as usual he's right - defence has gone down the pan and they all take too many 3s as it is so why not just shoot from further and further out until its like the Globetrotters! 
