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Post by foxtrot27 on Jun 19, 2024 14:54:10 GMT
We are just kidding ourselves to think that sponsors or investors (which we need badly) are coming to save basketball without an ROI. No audience, no big vision means no money. Combine that with no investment at the national team level means we are stuck. This is the reality.
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Post by dexter on Jun 19, 2024 15:02:08 GMT
We are just kidding ourselves to think that sponsors or investors (which we need badly) are coming to save basketball without an ROI. No audience, no big vision means no money. Combine that with no investment at the national team level means we are stuck. This is the reality. I would say the opposite is true. There is no prospect of a ROI. The only ones investing will be those who want to see basketball grow and their club grow because that's what they're into, not because they expect anything back. Maybe one day basketball in the UK will be investable, but not today and not whilst there are only 7 teams. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jun 19, 2024 15:08:57 GMT
Well there you have it then..........the sport has no aspirations or upside, and more importantly, no vision. So why would TV or sponsors even bother. Sounds like a bright future!
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Post by dexter on Jun 19, 2024 15:27:01 GMT
Well there you have it then..........the sport has no aspirations or upside, and more importantly, no vision. So why would TV or sponsors even bother. Sounds like a bright future! I think the vision should be to have a 2024/25 league, build back up to 10 teams for 2025/26 season, and them try to raise the standards of arenas which is something that was going quite well. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jun 19, 2024 15:36:38 GMT
Well there you have it then..........the sport has no aspirations or upside, and more importantly, no vision. So why would TV or sponsors even bother. Sounds like a bright future! I think the vision should be to have a 2024/25 league, build back up to 10 teams for 2025/26 season, and them try to raise the standards of arenas which is something that was going quite well. With what money? You fail to realise that without investment, you viewpoint is moot. Sheffield was not even half full! Only Eagles and Riders should be in that consideration. Obviously you have no business background and are approaching this from a supporter point of view. Flawed logic I'd say. |
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Post by hayesboy on Jun 19, 2024 15:44:02 GMT
I think what is quite telling here is the relative lack of coverage in the mainstream media (BBC/SKY etc). If this was cricket, rugby or even netball they would be all over it and generating their own coverage rather than just regurgitating press releases.
Most of the 777 stuff that has been shared is from the finance pages and barely mentions their involvement in basketball. 777 failed big for Everton got far more coverage on its own than the likley collapse of the whole pro structure of our sport. Outside of the hard core basketball fans nobody cares. In fact I strongly suspect that if I asked at my own club only a handful of the players and parents (many of whom would claim to be Eagles fans) would have any idea at all of what is happening.
Thats the damning indictment of where our sport sits in the UK. I've long ago given up trying to rationalise it or worry about it....I just hope that it turns around somehow and this gets sorted!!
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Post by dexter on Jun 19, 2024 16:07:59 GMT
I think the vision should be to have a 2024/25 league, build back up to 10 teams for 2025/26 season, and them try to raise the standards of arenas which is something that was going quite well. With what money? You fail to realise that without investment, you viewpoint is moot. Sheffield was not even half full! Only Eagles and Riders should be in that consideration. Obviously you have no business background and are approaching this from a supporter point of view. Flawed logic I'd say. Sheffield have a new arena. Caledonia have a new arena. Bristol have an arena in the pipeline. Caledonia and Bristol have money. The arena situation of the surviving teams isn't too bad but it is taking a while. It would be the same if new teams joined the league. They will get arenas eventually but it will take years because there aren't very many indoor arenas in the country and other sports aren't helping. |
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Post by irf on Jun 19, 2024 16:10:47 GMT
I think what is quite telling here is the relative lack of coverage in the mainstream media (BBC/SKY etc). If this was cricket, rugby or even netball they would be all over it and generating their own coverage rather than just regurgitating press releases. Most of the 777 stuff that has been shared is from the finance pages and barely mentions their involvement in basketball. 777 failed big for Everton got far more coverage on its own than the likley collapse of the whole pro structure of our sport. Outside of the hard core basketball fans nobody cares. In fact I strongly suspect that if I asked at my own club only a handful of the players and parents (many of whom would claim to be Eagles fans) would have any idea at all of what is happening. Thats the damning indictment of where our sport sits in the UK. I've long ago given up trying to rationalise it or worry about it....I just hope that it turns around somehow and this gets sorted!! Basketball in UK is a form of family entertainment more than anything else It's never going to get big TV exposure as the level is low in comparison to other countries We have to accept it for what it is Do any of the UK newspapers even cover it? Have you ever seen a League Table for BBL anywhere other than on bbl livestats or the basketball forums? |
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Post by SamH on Jun 19, 2024 16:17:22 GMT
From the above posts I'm still trying to see whats the attraction for the NBL clubs ? Aren't the NBL clubs and their fans happy doing things like they do? At the level they want to be at? They don't aspire to be competing with Eagles or Riders? Do they? I think there is the potential of a league existing that isn't quite to the standard the BBL has been at over the years, but is better than the current NBL1. Such a league would mean all teams can expect to be competitive. I think it's necessary to take the view that teams like Riders and Eagles might not be operating to the same budgets as they have been, although caps and restrictions can be used to stop them exploiting their additional wealth and ensure a competitive league. Fans may not like it though, if the quality of the product isn't as good as it was, but it's better than nothing perhaps? When Worthing moved up to the BBL for 3 years it was a struggle, they didn't do well and ended up returning to the NBL. Money was definitely a factor. But other teams have moved up, including Bristol - also Raiders and Wolves. But I think based on current standards, no - NBL teams wouldn't be interested and would struggle to be competitive. But if the remaining BBL teams were scaled down a bit, be it out of necessity or choice in order to promote a bigger and more competitive top level league in this country - then it could work. Frankly I don't see many people in charge of basketball at any level in this country with the ability to make it align up properly and produce such a league that works for fans and teams alike, sadly. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jun 19, 2024 16:18:13 GMT
According to Neilsen, there 6.5 million basketball fans. The NBA says that also as ive seen that confirmed. . Maybe theres just no interest in British basketball? Or are they wrong?.
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Post by SamH on Jun 19, 2024 16:25:33 GMT
According to Neilsen, there 6.5 million basketball fans. The NBA says that also as ive seen that confirmed. . Maybe theres just no interest in British basketball? Or are they wrong?. That is partly it. Does that 6.5 million include people who actively play basketball, or is it the figure of people who actively watch the professional game and partake in consuming basketball? Regardless, the NBA games in London always sold out with a high ticket price. So people will go to see the sport, but it seems the British game has never attracted huge audiences, whether that's down to marketing or just people only wanting to see the highest standard and/or the famous names they know from TV. But when you look at football, lower league teams still attract big crowds and they're not playing football to the standard of the premier league. I know football is much bigger, but its all relative. |
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Post by colicab85 on Jun 19, 2024 18:11:52 GMT
I think the vision should be to have a 2024/25 league, build back up to 10 teams for 2025/26 season, and them try to raise the standards of arenas which is something that was going quite well. With what money? You fail to realise that without investment, you viewpoint is moot. Sheffield was not even half full! Only Eagles and Riders should be in that consideration. Obviously you have no business background and are approaching this from a supporter point of view. Flawed logic I'd say. Not sure if you’ve watched or attended any Sheffield games this season but it was at least 3 quarters full at every game I attended and watched on YouTube but you keep spinning your doom. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jun 19, 2024 19:06:00 GMT
With what money? You fail to realise that without investment, you viewpoint is moot. Sheffield was not even half full! Only Eagles and Riders should be in that consideration. Obviously you have no business background and are approaching this from a supporter point of view. Flawed logic I'd say. Not sure if you’ve watched or attended any Sheffield games this season but it was at least 3 quarters full at every game I attended and watched on YouTube but you keep spinning your doom. I went to 2 Sharks games and 6 Steelers games. Steelers games had MUCH bigger crowds. Perhaps basketball can learn a few things! |
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Post by jasong on Jun 19, 2024 19:33:15 GMT
Not sure if you’ve watched or attended any Sheffield games this season but it was at least 3 quarters full at every game I attended and watched on YouTube but you keep spinning your doom. I went to 2 Sharks games and 6 Steelers games. Steelers games had MUCH bigger crowds. Perhaps basketball can learn a few things! The Steelers do play in a much bigger venue, but you’re conveniently ignoring the fact that the new Sharks arena was getting good crowds, as that doesn’t fit your narrative. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jun 19, 2024 19:46:03 GMT
I went to 2 Sharks games and 6 Steelers games. Steelers games had MUCH bigger crowds. Perhaps basketball can learn a few things! The Steelers do play in a much bigger venue, but you’re conveniently ignoring the fact that the new Sharks arena was getting good crowds, as that doesn’t fit your narrative. Yeah right. Steelers is a business, Sharks are a community project. |
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Post by colicab85 on Jun 19, 2024 19:51:05 GMT
Any response to the fact that Sharks have had good crowds all season though?
And not bad for a community project to own a £13 million arena and private health diagnostic centre.
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Post by dexter on Jun 19, 2024 20:03:13 GMT
Not sure if you’ve watched or attended any Sheffield games this season but it was at least 3 quarters full at every game I attended and watched on YouTube but you keep spinning your doom. I went to 2 Sharks games and 6 Steelers games. Steelers games had MUCH bigger crowds. Perhaps basketball can learn a few things! The only lesson to be learnt is don't try to compete with an EIHL team for fans because you're not going to win that one. But as Sheffield Steelers and Sheffield Sharks were both founded in 1991 that lesson came a bit too late. Nevertheless to still be going after 33 years is an achievement in itself. |
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Post by foxtrot27 on Jun 19, 2024 20:08:34 GMT
Any response to the fact that Sharks have had good crowds all season though? And not bad for a community project to own a £13 million arena and private health diagnostic centre. Sorry. Kudos for the Sharks. And good on them. I’d argue Steelers still is more impactful in the community though |
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Post by jasong on Jun 19, 2024 20:17:58 GMT
I went to 2 Sharks games and 6 Steelers games. Steelers games had MUCH bigger crowds. Perhaps basketball can learn a few things! The only lesson to be learnt is don't try to compete with an EIHL team for fans because you're not going to win that one. But as Sheffield Steelers and Sheffield Sharks were both founded in 1991 that lesson came a bit too late. Nevertheless to still be going after 33 years is an achievement in itself. It was the reverse in Newcastle, the BBL team outlasted (and then some), the EIHL team. |
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Post by jasong on Jun 19, 2024 20:18:37 GMT
Any response to the fact that Sharks have had good crowds all season though? And not bad for a community project to own a £13 million arena and private health diagnostic centre. Sorry. Kudos for the Sharks. And good on them. I’d argue Steelers still is more impactful in the community though Correct, as they are a much bigger organisation. |
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