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Post by voise on Mar 25, 2024 11:36:30 GMT
After going through a rough patch, the Sharks now look like they have found some rhythm. Coach has experimented with the lineups, and we now seem to have settled on starting and bench units that can provide some offence while sticking to defensive principles.
IMO this is mostly dependent on RJ, Green and Pipkins.
I think we are at a similar level to the Riders and Eagles when we are on song. Lions, Phoenix and Gladiators (with Green) have separated themselves.
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Post by eagles18000 on Mar 25, 2024 11:46:59 GMT
eagles transition offence is actually very frustrating. Their half court offence is pretty efficient (albeit not overly pretty).
The defence however craters without Defoe on court.
re the best players : I dont necessarily think eagles have the best players : the team/individauls argument is always such a simplistic one. They have proven players which is different. They are also 21-11 in their last 32 games which is pretty respectable given the schedule. I think there is no issue that the players have gelled as a team and are together, they just dont make the extra pass often enough (Austin,ward hibbert and Johnson (occasionally) being the main offenders.
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Post by erj14 on Mar 25, 2024 12:20:13 GMT
eagles transition offence is actually very frustrating. Their half court offence is pretty efficient (albeit not overly pretty). The defence however craters without Defoe on court. re the best players : I dont necessarily think eagles have the best players : the team/individauls argument is always such a simplistic one. They have proven players which is different. They are also 21-11 in their last 32 games which is pretty respectable given the schedule. I think there is no issue that the players have gelled as a team and are together, they just dont make the extra pass often enough (Austin,ward hibbert and Johnson (occasionally) being the main offenders. Agree with all of that, I don't question the character or togetherness of this team. Their lack of attention to detail has frustrated at times, but I guess that would be the same for most teams throughout the season. I've felt Austin has forced the issue a lot, especially going to the rim. I suppose he's used to handling the ball a lot more and has found himself standing in the corner in the half court a lot. I have wondered to myself if Austin handling more would help with spacing as opposition defenders are going to respect Mcgill and Johnson more as shooters. Like you say, that record isn't a bad one. A win against Caledonia on Thursday is very possible, so long as they can come up with a plan on how to handle Quade. |
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Post by erj14 on Mar 25, 2024 12:22:24 GMT
eagles transition offence is actually very frustrating. Their half court offence is pretty efficient (albeit not overly pretty). The defence however craters without Defoe on court. re the best players : I dont necessarily think eagles have the best players : the team/individauls argument is always such a simplistic one. They have proven players which is different. They are also 21-11 in their last 32 games which is pretty respectable given the schedule. I think there is no issue that the players have gelled as a team and are together, they just dont make the extra pass often enough (Austin,ward hibbert and Johnson (occasionally) being the main offenders. I don't know what the answer is to when Defoe is off court on defence. Is it a case of Delpeche (if he's here for another season) learning the ropes on how to communicate better and marshall his team mates more? That's beyond my limited understanding of the game unfortunately. |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Mar 25, 2024 17:03:55 GMT
eagles transition offence is actually very frustrating. Their half court offence is pretty efficient (albeit not overly pretty). The defence however craters without Defoe on court. re the best players : I dont necessarily think eagles have the best players : the team/individauls argument is always such a simplistic one. They have proven players which is different. They are also 21-11 in their last 32 games which is pretty respectable given the schedule. I think there is no issue that the players have gelled as a team and are together, they just dont make the extra pass often enough (Austin,ward hibbert and Johnson (occasionally) being the main offenders. Agree with all of that, I don't question the character or togetherness of this team. Their lack of attention to detail has frustrated at times, but I guess that would be the same for most teams throughout the season. I've felt Austin has forced the issue a lot, especially going to the rim. I suppose he's used to handling the ball a lot more and has found himself standing in the corner in the half court a lot. I have wondered to myself if Austin handling more would help with spacing as opposition defenders are going to respect Mcgill and Johnson more as shooters. Like you say, that record isn't a bad one. A win against Caledonia on Thursday is very possible, so long as they can come up with a plan on how to handle Quade. And Moore. |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Mar 25, 2024 19:39:28 GMT
Amazed at the start of the season to see Austin being stood in the corners of the court waiting for a pass. After 30+ minutes a game with Nix and being a main ball handler he has many attributes but a 3 point shooter is definitely not one of them. However soon became aware of the problem, where else do you put him of you're using Johnson and McGill as your ball carriers?
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Post by dexter on Mar 25, 2024 20:51:53 GMT
Amazed at the start of the season to see Austin being stood in the corners of the court waiting for a pass. After 30+ minutes a game with Nix and being a main ball handler he has many attributes but a 3 point shooter is definitely not one of them. However soon became aware of the problem, where else do you put him of you're using Johnson and McGill as your ball carriers? I think that's the problem. The balance isn't right. Eagles need a shooting guard and another centre. Austin Jnr could be the main points guard in a different team to Johnson. |
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Post by reallyoldfeenixfan2 on Mar 25, 2024 22:59:22 GMT
Something I didn't think I'd say is that Larry wouldnt fit in with the squad that Ben has put together this season and the way they are playing.
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Post by johnjack on Mar 26, 2024 8:10:49 GMT
Something I didn't think I'd say is that Larry wouldnt fit in with the squad that Ben has put together this season and the way they are playing. Think you are right. This years team is allot more balanced. I was more gutted to see Jamal go tbh, even more so now looking at what a sorry mess that the Giants have become. |
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Post by eagles18000 on Mar 26, 2024 10:54:34 GMT
in his time at Cheshire Austin wasn't really a primary ball handler : last season Evans and Archibald took that role. Thats because he is an open court player and at this point effectively a non shooter. And his failure to make the extra pass on penetration has made it difficult to hand him the ball in the half court : from the corners he can crash the glass and cut off the ball which fits into his skill set. His primary value is his activity and should be his defence, which has been at times excellent but also at times, unconnected.
Eagles do not need another centre. Thats daft. Delpeche was in the all BBL team last year. Neighbour and Green can play spot 5. Thats plenty. They just need them to be more consistently productive. Similarly Johnson is eagles shooting guard : Whitfield is their wing shooter : I have no idea whose minutes a 'shooting guard' would possibly take.
What they really need is a slightly higher IQ team : I am sure that is where the upgrade will be coming. But even then there are only 4 teams over 500 and to get there after a 3-7 start and gruelling European campaign is actually pretty impressive.
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