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Post by spacejammer on Mar 4, 2024 11:05:17 GMT
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Post by dexter on Mar 4, 2024 12:02:09 GMT
Without doubt it is imo. NBA has higher skill and athleticism but Euroleague is harder defensively. Euroleague is also more intimidating. NBA players get fans ejected all the time. Euroleague play in front of thousands of chanting ultras.
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Post by SamH on Mar 4, 2024 12:41:00 GMT
It might be harder mentally, but the NBA is the best players in the world. I don't think Giannis, a top 5 player, is the right person to ask as he obviously dominates the NBA and while he could dominate in Europe, he would have to change his approach and mindset somewhat and I think that's the bit he's looking at it from as being harder. The NBA has a much heavier and longer schedule, longer matches, more minutes. So there's the toll on your body. Yes the style of play and the rules vary, but if Europe was tougher we'd see more European teams beating USA in the Worlds and Olympics. The gap has closed but USA are still expected to win every tournament and it's a shock if they don't.
If you ask an end of bench player who struggles to crack the rotation and get minutes, I am sure he'd say the NBA is harder. And such a player likely would be starting on any European team and able to achieve good averages. Kenny the Jet Smith often talks on NBA Tip off about how when he first arrived in the league, he expected to continue dominating like he had in college, but he hadn't factored in the fact that everyone else was just as dominant, everyone can play and do everything he could do - so all of a sudden he found himself being put in his place by more experienced players who had as much if not more talent. And I think that's the point - everyone in the NBA has insane ability, you just don't see it when they don't crack the main roster or get many minutes because they're playing behind guys who are even better.
Most of the Euro teams who get an exhibition against an NBA team in the pre-season also come up hopelessly short, and that's when the NBA team isn't even going all out for it.
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 4, 2024 13:02:50 GMT
It might be harder mentally, but the NBA is the best players in the world. I don't think Giannis, a top 5 player, is the right person to ask as he obviously dominates the NBA and while he could dominate in Europe, he would have to change his approach and mindset somewhat and I think that's the bit he's looking at it from as being harder. The NBA has a much heavier and longer schedule, longer matches, more minutes. So there's the toll on your body. Yes the style of play and the rules vary, but if Europe was tougher we'd see more European teams beating USA in the Worlds and Olympics. The gap has closed but USA are still expected to win every tournament and it's a shock if they don't. If you ask an end of bench player who struggles to crack the rotation and get minutes, I am sure he'd say the NBA is harder. And such a player likely would be starting on any European team and able to achieve good averages. Kenny the Jet Smith often talks on NBA Tip off about how when he first arrived in the league, he expected to continue dominating like he had in college, but he hadn't factored in the fact that everyone else was just as dominant, everyone can play and do everything he could do - so all of a sudden he found himself being put in his place by more experienced players who had as much if not more talent. And I think that's the point - everyone in the NBA has insane ability, you just don't see it when they don't crack the main roster or get many minutes because they're playing behind guys who are even better. Most of the Euro teams who get an exhibition against an NBA team in the pre-season also come up hopelessly short, and that's when the NBA team isn't even going all out for it. That's exactly what I thought not to discredit the European leagues but you'd expect the NBA to be tougher as it is the elite vs the elite in the NBA in theory. I'm sure both leagues have pros and cons such as travel, money and depth etc... I like to think the Champions of the Euroleague could probably give the lowest ranked NBA squads a run for their money but still would most likely lose. Although I can't see the club world cup returning anytime soon. On another note apart from overseas players I wonder how many Americans actually take a vasted interest in basketball outside of the states? Like obviously for us BBL fans we would watch BBL as it is our league but then also watch NBA in order to watch the elite players. However I can't imagine it being the same the other way round unless you have like a family member playing on a European team or your a business person with sponsorship on a team. Or if your someone who immigrated to the states and want to watch basketball back in your home country. |
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Post by LTfan on Mar 4, 2024 13:57:44 GMT
It might be harder mentally, but the NBA is the best players in the world. I don't think Giannis, a top 5 player, is the right person to ask as he obviously dominates the NBA and while he could dominate in Europe, he would have to change his approach and mindset somewhat and I think that's the bit he's looking at it from as being harder. The NBA has a much heavier and longer schedule, longer matches, more minutes. So there's the toll on your body. Yes the style of play and the rules vary, but if Europe was tougher we'd see more European teams beating USA in the Worlds and Olympics. The gap has closed but USA are still expected to win every tournament and it's a shock if they don't. If you ask an end of bench player who struggles to crack the rotation and get minutes, I am sure he'd say the NBA is harder. And such a player likely would be starting on any European team and able to achieve good averages. Kenny the Jet Smith often talks on NBA Tip off about how when he first arrived in the league, he expected to continue dominating like he had in college, but he hadn't factored in the fact that everyone else was just as dominant, everyone can play and do everything he could do - so all of a sudden he found himself being put in his place by more experienced players who had as much if not more talent. And I think that's the point - everyone in the NBA has insane ability, you just don't see it when they don't crack the main roster or get many minutes because they're playing behind guys who are even better. Most of the Euro teams who get an exhibition against an NBA team in the pre-season also come up hopelessly short, and that's when the NBA team isn't even going all out for it. That's exactly what I thought not to discredit the European leagues but you'd expect the NBA to be tougher as it is the elite vs the elite in the NBA in theory. I'm sure both leagues have pros and cons such as travel, money and depth etc... I like to think the Champions of the Euroleague could probably give the lowest ranked NBA squads a run for their money but still would most likely lose. Although I can't see the club world cup returning anytime soon. On another note apart from overseas players I wonder how many Americans actually take a vasted interest in basketball outside of the states? Like obviously for us BBL fans we would watch BBL as it is our league but then also watch NBA in order to watch the elite players. However I can't imagine it being the same the other way round unless you have like a family member playing on a European team or your a business person with sponsorship on a team. Or if your someone who immigrated to the states and want to watch basketball back in your home country. I don't know if it's still the case, but a few years back NBA TV broadcast some Euroleague games in the US. So I'd say amongst hard-core basketball fans there's a niche interest in the Euroleague in the US, but nothing more than that. As we all know, the US is very inclusive with it's sports, with very little interest in what else is going on elsewhere in the world. |
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Post by voise on Mar 4, 2024 14:41:42 GMT
There's definitely a difference in culture about how basketball is played and appreciated Euroleague Vs NBA.
I've just been to see Bayern Munich Vs Red Star Belgrade in a 74-66 slugfest at the weekend - the kind of scoreline that gets sniggered at on these boards but it was tight, intense and of the highest quality at both ends of the floor on every possession with plenty of world cup winning and NBA level talent. Maybe that sort of intensity just can't be sustained in an 80+ game schedule.
My take is that basketball fans generally fall into 2 camps with typical bbl fans generally appreciating an NBA style experience and european basketball fans perhaps also more appreciative of the NCAA. It's a very lazy stereotype I know!
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Post by SamH on Mar 4, 2024 15:57:01 GMT
I do like to see good fundamentals and some NBA players have this, some don't. Last night in the Clippers v Wolves game, one player in the last 2 minutes of what was a very tight game, got out on the fastbreak and did a windmill dunk. I thought that was the wrong thing to do - showing off when the game is on the line? I bet coach will have had a word about it. Just make sure of the basket, surely? Much easier to miss a windmill dunk than a regular one. So stuff like that - understanding the basics, having a high basketball IQ. You don't always see it in the NBA and when you do (Tim Duncan Spurs, Stockton and Malone Jazz) they get labelled as boring. Yet those kind of players/teams always have excellent win-loss records. The game has changed now and fundamentals seem to be ability to shoot deep 3 pointers with some accuracy, even for big men. It's a shame there isn't a bit more to it than that but it seems like the team that hits a high percentage of a lot of 3s usually wins the game.
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Post by erj14 on Mar 5, 2024 0:26:50 GMT
It might be harder mentally, but the NBA is the best players in the world. I don't think Giannis, a top 5 player, is the right person to ask as he obviously dominates the NBA and while he could dominate in Europe, he would have to change his approach and mindset somewhat and I think that's the bit he's looking at it from as being harder. The NBA has a much heavier and longer schedule, longer matches, more minutes. So there's the toll on your body. Yes the style of play and the rules vary, but if Europe was tougher we'd see more European teams beating USA in the Worlds and Olympics. The gap has closed but USA are still expected to win every tournament and it's a shock if they don't. If you ask an end of bench player who struggles to crack the rotation and get minutes, I am sure he'd say the NBA is harder. And such a player likely would be starting on any European team and able to achieve good averages. Kenny the Jet Smith often talks on NBA Tip off about how when he first arrived in the league, he expected to continue dominating like he had in college, but he hadn't factored in the fact that everyone else was just as dominant, everyone can play and do everything he could do - so all of a sudden he found himself being put in his place by more experienced players who had as much if not more talent. And I think that's the point - everyone in the NBA has insane ability, you just don't see it when they don't crack the main roster or get many minutes because they're playing behind guys who are even better. Most of the Euro teams who get an exhibition against an NBA team in the pre-season also come up hopelessly short, and that's when the NBA team isn't even going all out for it. That's exactly what I thought not to discredit the European leagues but you'd expect the NBA to be tougher as it is the elite vs the elite in the NBA in theory. I'm sure both leagues have pros and cons such as travel, money and depth etc... I like to think the Champions of the Euroleague could probably give the lowest ranked NBA squads a run for their money but still would most likely lose. Although I can't see the club world cup returning anytime soon. On another note apart from overseas players I wonder how many Americans actually take a vasted interest in basketball outside of the states? Like obviously for us BBL fans we would watch BBL as it is our league but then also watch NBA in order to watch the elite players. However I can't imagine it being the same the other way round unless you have like a family member playing on a European team or your a business person with sponsorship on a team. Or if your someone who immigrated to the states and want to watch basketball back in your home country. I know Americans (who are pure basketball fans) who much prefer how top level basketball is done over on this side of the Atlantic. The NBA regular season has become very stale and I personally find it unwatchable live. There are far too many stoppages and reviews that take every game to well over two and a half hours. The way the game is officiated over there has destroyed the product to the point where it's almost become a non contact sport. The NBA playoffs are different though, that is still easily the pinnacle of the sport. It's great. |
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Post by tallerman on Mar 5, 2024 6:35:37 GMT
I thought the comment was its harder to score in europe, not harder in general
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Post by erj14 on Mar 5, 2024 8:30:48 GMT
I thought the comment was its harder to score in europe, not harder in general That was the comment. |
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Post by dexter on Mar 5, 2024 8:38:54 GMT
Harder to score in Europe. Harder to defend in the NBA.
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Post by spacejammer on Mar 5, 2024 8:41:10 GMT
That's exactly what I thought not to discredit the European leagues but you'd expect the NBA to be tougher as it is the elite vs the elite in the NBA in theory. I'm sure both leagues have pros and cons such as travel, money and depth etc... I like to think the Champions of the Euroleague could probably give the lowest ranked NBA squads a run for their money but still would most likely lose. Although I can't see the club world cup returning anytime soon. On another note apart from overseas players I wonder how many Americans actually take a vasted interest in basketball outside of the states? Like obviously for us BBL fans we would watch BBL as it is our league but then also watch NBA in order to watch the elite players. However I can't imagine it being the same the other way round unless you have like a family member playing on a European team or your a business person with sponsorship on a team. Or if your someone who immigrated to the states and want to watch basketball back in your home country. I know Americans (who are pure basketball fans) who much prefer how top level basketball is done over on this side of the Atlantic. The NBA regular season has become very stale and I personally find it unwatchable live. There are far too many stoppages and reviews that take every game to well over two and a half hours. The way the game is officiated over there has destroyed the product to the point where it's almost become a non contact sport. The NBA playoffs are different though, that is still easily the pinnacle of the sport. It's great. Aye I know what you mean by that. When I watched the Eagles ENBL match last week one thing I enjoyed was their wasn't as many unnecessary stops for TV timeouts etc... unlike the BBL new TV timeouts. One thing I suppose I would be curious to see is a serious All Star match up between the NBA and the Euroleague. I wonder how that would go down? |
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Post by cosbyrider on Mar 5, 2024 17:52:58 GMT
Two different styles - not just playing style but officiating style too. Personally think there is a big attacking bias by refs at NBA level.
But if you want a good indicator - that a number of players from outside of the US have had a strong basketball upbringing and are taking to NBA really well says a lot.
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Post by hayesboy on Mar 11, 2024 7:29:07 GMT
The defensive rules are the biggest difference and why it is "harder" to score in the FIBA rules. Anyone who plays basketball knows that playing man defence (particularly with a rule that prohibits defenders lingering in help in the paint) will favour more athletic 1v1 style players; both offensively and defensively.
With the ability of modern players to shoot the 3 so well this places an even larger emphasis on mobile athletes who can cover that space. When you can play zones properly you can clog the middle with bigs (as was seen at the last World Cup), use quicker players to stay at home on the shooters and "hide" weaker athletes who may be valuable offensive players.
The NBA has the best players from around the world and several of the best come from a FIBA background and can thrive with both styles and sets of rules. For me Giannis is a classic example of a player who is better suited to NBA style but clearly is so good that he would be a star no matter what the rules....maybe just not such a high scoring star.
As I get older I definitely find high level FIBA basketball games much more watchable than NBA regular season games. For me though the pinnacle of basketball is still the NBA play-offs.
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Post by eagles18000 on Mar 12, 2024 11:49:18 GMT
I think average time for an NBA game is 2:14
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