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Post by Stephen Abootman on Jan 10, 2024 17:27:00 GMT
The evidence would suggest it wasn't a wonderfully effective system anyway to be fair.
We're certainly going to be seeing plenty of hero ball from Riders the rest of the way. Our PG play is a very far cry from the halcyon days of Geno Crandall. We don't have anything like that type of dynamism at the position now. What we do have though is a wing who, as an individual scorer, is absolute dynamite at this level. If you're going the hero ball route there can't be too many better guys to do it with than our Ted. There will be days, like Sunday, when it doesn't come off and it all looks a bit ugly. That was his first proper failure in six games though and it came against a strong Lions side. Nwaba aside, they basically played with the same team yesterday in EuroCup.
Don't really know what to make of Shelton. Not a signing that has me leaping out of my seat with excitement but if he can help us keep teams off the offensive glass and make us tougher to score on inside he'll add something. We don't need a ton of scoring from him. It surprises me that his numbers first time around in Newcastle were as good as they are as I don't remember him being hugely popular during his time there.
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Post by dandayr on Jan 10, 2024 18:45:30 GMT
"Duke will have to quickly find a way to play to Riders system as well or won't get many minutes" Lol Riders 'system' disappeared as soon as Teddy Allen and his 20 plus shots a game showed up. LOL - yep agree with the system went out the window. It is actually an expensive scoring rate from 'buckets' Allen - his FG% barely makes the top 10 of the riders let alone the top 10 in the league. As soon as other coaches work out how to slow his shot taken rate down - unless he can get the other Riders more involved, then the W's will become harder and more sporadic. Now if the Duke can pick up a decent number of those missed Allen shots and Riders increase the 2nd chance pts scored - this could be a good shout for a decent challenge at the Trophy and then through Feb get the other Riders involved and who knows even decent play off contenders. Relying on 43.5%FGA as system wont bring the trophies but will give all a rollercoaster ride to enjoy. |
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Post by spacejammer on Jan 10, 2024 19:25:48 GMT
To be honest in a way I hope Leicester win this.
If we are going off the theory London aren't going to be beaten by Bristol or Manchester.
If Riders beat Giants tonight and Eagles defeat Flyers on Friday.
Then it sets up a winner goes to Birmingham match up on Sky Sports next week.
Which should definitely make the contest even more juicy for both sets of fans and neutrals.
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Post by irf on Jan 10, 2024 20:00:11 GMT
"Duke will have to quickly find a way to play to Riders system as well or won't get many minutes" Lol Riders 'system' disappeared as soon as Teddy Allen and his 20 plus shots a game showed up. Fair enough!! Lol We have to defend a bit to give him the ball back though |
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Post by mac on Jan 10, 2024 22:39:33 GMT
Whether we win tomorrow depends a lot on how well we share the ball and also defend as if our lives depend on it. There were too many instances of hero ball stuff against Lions. Crucial we secure the points and I expect to see us with a much higher shooting percentage against Giants. There's no doubt that Walshe, Lewis, Lee and Anderson can score freely when they are on song so I'm hoping they're off key. Three of them will have a big point to prove against Riders. Duke will do well at riders, Rob P will find a way to play to his strengths It will be how Rob addresses his weaknesses that will be key IMO. |
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Post by stevetino on Jan 10, 2024 22:50:26 GMT
Good to see IRF back but I’m interested in his comments about picking up Eagles rejects! 🤫
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jan 10, 2024 22:55:57 GMT
Very happy with Shelton's debut, especially as he'd virtually just arrived at the club. He looks like a smart, athletic player. No errors and 6 points, 6 rebounds (3 offensive) and a lovely block. Two excellent passes to players down low as well. Did all that in 7 minutes. Bodes well.
Lall was great and Thomas is also proving what a good player he is. 🙂🙂
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Post by stevetino on Jan 10, 2024 23:20:57 GMT
"Duke will have to quickly find a way to play to Riders system as well or won't get many minutes" Lol Riders 'system' disappeared as soon as Teddy Allen and his 20 plus shots a game showed up. Didn’t IRF have a go At eagles for a similar player and style? Saah Nimley anyone? 😝 |
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Post by mac on Jan 10, 2024 23:27:14 GMT
Very happy with Shelton's debut, especially as he'd virtually just arrived at the club. He looks like a smart, athletic player. No errors and 6 points, 6 rebounds (3 offensive) and a lovely block. Two excellent passes to players down low as well. Did all that in 7 minutes. Bodes well. Lall was great and Thomas is also proving what a good player he is. 🙂🙂 I've just checked his stats, not too shabby. But when did he get them, end of the game (when it was gone) or were they spread out? |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jan 10, 2024 23:44:35 GMT
Very happy with Shelton's debut, especially as he'd virtually just arrived at the club. He looks like a smart, athletic player. No errors and 6 points, 6 rebounds (3 offensive) and a lovely block. Two excellent passes to players down low as well. Did all that in 7 minutes. Bodes well. Lall was great and Thomas is also proving what a good player he is. 🙂🙂 I've just checked his stats, not too shabby. But when did he get them, end of the game (when it was gone) or were they spread out? No, in Q2 I think. Certainly not in Q4. |
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Post by irf on Jan 11, 2024 0:19:53 GMT
Good to see IRF back but I’m interested in his comments about picking up Eagles rejects! 🤫 Of course I agree he will be damaged goods His confidence will have been shattered from the Eagles experience. It's only to be expected. But Rob will hold his hand, correct the bad habits (he will undoubtedly have picked up with Eagles) and bring back the confidence. Instilling some good habits again slowly but surely There's no need for his time at Eagles to have signified the end of his career (like it has for so many others before him recently) I trust you concur ? It's a fresh start for the young lad. That most Eagles rejects aren't lucky enough to enjoy sadly A leopard CAN change its spots! We will show him the light - he's in safe hands now. |
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Post by erj14 on Jan 11, 2024 10:47:35 GMT
Good to see IRF back but I’m interested in his comments about picking up Eagles rejects! 🤫 Of course I agree he will be damaged goods His confidence will have been shattered from the Eagles experience. It's only to be expected. But Rob will hold his hand, correct the bad habits (he will undoubtedly have picked up with Eagles) and bring back the confidence. Instilling some good habits again slowly but surely There's no need for his time at Eagles to have signified the end of his career (like it has for so many others before him recently) I trust you concur ? It's a fresh start for the young lad. That most Eagles rejects aren't lucky enough to enjoy sadly A leopard CAN change its spots! We will show him the light - he's in safe hands now. Duke was a very frustrating player when up here at Eagles, his popularity certainly outweighed his effectiveness. He annoyed me greatly, especially his habit of celebrating EVERY SINGLE THING he did on the court. However, I think he'll be expecting to fill a smaller role at Riders than the import centre position he was expected to do at Newcastle. I 100% expect that Rob will get the best out of him and he'll be a useful player at times, I'll probably have a higher opinion of him in May than I do now! |
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Post by stevetino on Jan 11, 2024 10:48:03 GMT
Good to see IRF back but I’m interested in his comments about picking up Eagles rejects! 🤫 Of course I agree he will be damaged goods His confidence will have been shattered from the Eagles experience. It's only to be expected. But Rob will hold his hand, correct the bad habits (he will undoubtedly have picked up with Eagles) and bring back the confidence. Instilling some good habits again slowly but surely There's no need for his time at Eagles to have signified the end of his career (like it has for so many others before him recently) I trust you concur ? It's a fresh start for the young lad. That most Eagles rejects aren't lucky enough to enjoy sadly A leopard CAN change its spots! We will show him the light - he's in safe hands now. Nicely avoided the Nimley comparison post there as well superb 😝 |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jan 11, 2024 14:38:36 GMT
TJ Lall is a player that I hope stays next season. He does everything well and last night's performance was really impressive. Five from six 3 pointers plus really good defence and rebounding. Doesn't showboat and I think he goes under the radar because he comes off the bench. Now Shelton's on the roster I reckon we can be a much more effective team with way more presence in the paint. 2024 is looking better all the time. I'd like to see us develop more consistency though because we allowed Giants to get within 4 points in Q4. Too close for comfort.
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Jan 11, 2024 18:55:11 GMT
I'm not too sure what a 5'8" PG who played in the league five years ago is supposed to have to do with Teddy Allen. Nimley shot a horrifying 36% from the field during his time in the BBL. I'm confident Allen will comfortably better that, even if he is a bit trigger happy at times. I'm pretty sure we knew exactly what we were getting with this player when we signed him. A few 5-20 kind of shooting nights were always going to be on the cards with this guy, given the way he plays. Bottom line is we were 7-10 when he arrived. We've gone 5-2 since. He's improved the team.
Shelton literally only played in the 2nd quarter. I was surprised we didn't see him at all in the 2nd half as I felt he positively impacted the game. But obviously sage Rob saw it differently. If he plays like that with any sort of consistency I don't think it'll be too long before he's playing more minutes than Mo.
Lall was indeed excellent. He's got a real 'herky jerky' kind of shooting motion and he shoots the ball very flat. It's certainly no thing of beauty but it seems to work for him. He's not all that far shy of 50% from 3P range now on the season. The minute distribution says otherwise but I'm increasingly believing that he's a better player than Jaren Holmes.
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jan 11, 2024 19:54:37 GMT
I'm not too sure what a 5'8" PG who played in the league five years ago is supposed to have to do with Teddy Allen. Nimley shot a horrifying 36% from the field during his time in the BBL. I'm confident Allen will comfortably better that, even if he is a bit trigger happy at times. I'm pretty sure we knew exactly what we were getting with this player when we signed him. A few 5-20 kind of shooting nights were always going to be on the cards with this guy, given the way he plays. Bottom line is we were 7-10 when he arrived. We've gone 5-2 since. He's improved the team. Shelton literally only played in the 2nd quarter. I was surprised we didn't see him at all in the 2nd half as I felt he positively impacted the game. But obviously sage Rob saw it differently. If he plays like that with any sort of consistency I don't think it'll be too long before he's playing more minutes than Mo. Lall was indeed excellent. He's got a real 'herky jerky' kind of shooting motion and he shoots the ball very flat. It's certainly no thing of beauty but it seems to work for him. He's not all that far shy of 50% from 3P range now on the season. The minute distribution says otherwise but I'm increasingly believing that he's a better player than Jaren Holmes. I have thought that about Lall for quite a while. Holmes gives 100% (like Lall) but as a PG I'm disappointed with his ability to distribute the ball to others. Assists stats are not as good as I hoped they'd be. Pinson would have been more effective but that's history now. Do I want Lall to stay - absolutely. Would I be keen to retain Holmes? Probably not, on balance. When discussing who might be awarded MVP on YouTube Allen's name was mooted and Lall was briefly mentioned. I couldn't believe it because TJ had a stellar night by comparison with Allen. |
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Post by eagles18000 on Jan 11, 2024 21:41:36 GMT
Lall is a pro
To be absolutely fair to nimley the 334 threes he shot (at a 33% clip) meant that his true shooting percentage was a lot higher than a normal 36% overall field goal shooter.
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Post by stevetino on Jan 11, 2024 22:24:47 GMT
I'm not too sure what a 5'8" PG who played in the league five years ago is supposed to have to do with Teddy Allen. Nimley shot a horrifying 36% from the field during his time in the BBL. I'm confident Allen will comfortably better that, even if he is a bit trigger happy at times. I'm pretty sure we knew exactly what we were getting with this player when we signed him. A few 5-20 kind of shooting nights were always going to be on the cards with this guy, given the way he plays. Bottom line is we were 7-10 when he arrived. We've gone 5-2 since. He's improved the team. Shelton literally only played in the 2nd quarter. I was surprised we didn't see him at all in the 2nd half as I felt he positively impacted the game. But obviously sage Rob saw it differently. If he plays like that with any sort of consistency I don't think it'll be too long before he's playing more minutes than Mo. Lall was indeed excellent. He's got a real 'herky jerky' kind of shooting motion and he shoots the ball very flat. It's certainly no thing of beauty but it seems to work for him. He's not all that far shy of 50% from 3P range now on the season. The minute distribution says otherwise but I'm increasingly believing that he's a better player than Jaren Holmes. Well nobody was asking you it was intended for IRF mate |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Jan 12, 2024 7:42:12 GMT
In theory the time between playing Giants and Eagles should allow some rest and Shelton to practise with and learn how his teammates like to play. Will that enable us to beat Newcastle?
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Post by stevetino on Jan 12, 2024 22:43:10 GMT
In theory the time between playing Giants and Eagles should allow some rest and Shelton to practise with and learn how his teammates like to play. Will that enable us to beat Newcastle? No Idea but it should be a belter |
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