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Post by irf on Jul 13, 2024 8:16:05 GMT
Amazed there's still hope that 10 teams from last season will compete? Doesn't seem logical to me Are BBF naive? |
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Post by dexter on Jul 13, 2024 8:52:09 GMT
London Lions seems very unlikely with the amount of debt they must have.
We've been told for years that Plymouth Pavilions is too expensive and there isn't another venue big enough.
Manchester Giants seems like a much easier club to sell.
It seems unduly optimistic to have a 10 team league, but maybe they have reasons to be optimistic that we don't know about.
About a week ago we were looking at a 6 team league. Now an 8 team league seems quite likely.
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Post by donthatetheplayer on Jul 13, 2024 21:09:18 GMT
We'll have some of what the BBF are smoking!
Unless the 10 he references comprise of some new entrants, it will not be the current 10 team make up.
He also states that he can't vouch for what's going on within individual clubs so, he seems to contradict the veracity of the message he's trying to get across.
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Post by tallerman on Jul 13, 2024 21:38:12 GMT
They can't say they aren't doing that though publicly I imagine.
Dusha posted he needs a new job so can pretty much confirm pats are done thankfully
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 13, 2024 21:49:26 GMT
They can't say they aren't doing that though publicly I imagine. Dusha posted he needs a new job so can pretty much confirm pats are done thankfully “Thankfully”. The loss of any team in this current climate is a blow. |
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Post by donthatetheplayer on Jul 13, 2024 22:02:57 GMT
The faster the new league announce their plans the better. It's clear there will be one, that's good news.
However not every club gets out of this alive.
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Post by tallerman on Jul 13, 2024 22:15:00 GMT
They can't say they aren't doing that though publicly I imagine. Dusha posted he needs a new job so can pretty much confirm pats are done thankfully “Thankfully”. The loss of any team in this current climate is a blow. Not if you live in Plymouth |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 14, 2024 22:17:21 GMT
“Thankfully”. The loss of any team in this current climate is a blow. Not if you live in Plymouth Small minded mentality. You have nothing in Plymouth if they go whether you like it or not. Raiders are what? A middling division 3 team at best? |
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Post by dexter on Jul 14, 2024 23:08:26 GMT
The league must not prop up any team. Every team needs to be able to stand on its own. Plymouth at the Pavilions will always be loss-making so they will need an owner and sponsors who are prepared to lose money without making a return or even break even.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 15, 2024 5:30:40 GMT
The league must not prop up any team. Every team needs to be able to stand on its own. Plymouth at the Pavilions will always be loss-making so they will need an owner and sponsors who are prepared to lose money without making a return or even break even. I don't disagree whatsoever. But he's talking about not wanting them round whatever the situation is, which is ridiculous. Interesting sidenote, I'd like to see how many teams in the league actually aren't loss making... |
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Post by tallerman on Jul 15, 2024 6:06:26 GMT
Without them we don't have lot of things
We don't have players starting fights mid game
We don't have fans entering changing rooms at half time to attack opposing players
We don't have coaches breaking safeguarding rules to try and tap up 14 year olds
We don't have fans booing charity events that aren't run by pats
You don't have players family attacking players and coaches of other teams
It's not about Raiders V Pats, it's a group of people that bring an incredible amount of negative attention to the sport who think they're the most important people in the world.
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Post by dexter on Jul 15, 2024 6:44:53 GMT
The league must not prop up any team. Every team needs to be able to stand on its own. Plymouth at the Pavilions will always be loss-making so they will need an owner and sponsors who are prepared to lose money without making a return or even break even. I don't disagree whatsoever. But he's talking about not wanting them round whatever the situation is, which is ridiculous. Interesting sidenote, I'd like to see how many teams in the league actually aren't loss making... They're probably all loss making. What is important is that the owners are paying for it, not the league paying for it. Also there's making a loss across the season, and then there's making a loss on your home games. If you're paying more to use the venue than you're bringing in that's a big problem because that should be your main income. |
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Post by irf on Jul 15, 2024 7:34:18 GMT
Without them we don't have lot of things We don't have players starting fights mid game We don't have fans entering changing rooms at half time to attack opposing players[br ] We don't have coaches breaking safeguarding rules to try and tap up 14 year olds We don't have fans booing charity events that aren't run by pats You don't have players family attacking players and coaches of other teams It's not about Raiders V Pats, it's a group of people that bring an incredible amount of negative attention to the sport who think they're the most important people in the world. Your close personal involvement in basketball no doubt impacts what you see Pro sports clubs do bring some bad aspects at times Most average fans won't experience or see what you see and will miss having a pro team to watch badly of course |
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Post by irf on Jul 15, 2024 7:36:39 GMT
Grassroots football clubs and their coaches by and large heavily resent having players taken from them by pro football clubs to their academies from as young as age 8 for example
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Post by tallerman on Jul 15, 2024 10:45:31 GMT
Without them we don't have lot of things We don't have players starting fights mid game We don't have fans entering changing rooms at half time to attack opposing players[br ] We don't have coaches breaking safeguarding rules to try and tap up 14 year olds We don't have fans booing charity events that aren't run by pats You don't have players family attacking players and coaches of other teams It's not about Raiders V Pats, it's a group of people that bring an incredible amount of negative attention to the sport who think they're the most important people in the world. Your close personal involvement in basketball no doubt impacts what you see Pro sports clubs do bring some bad aspects at times Most average fans won't experience or see what you see and will miss having a pro team to watch badly of course Which of those things listed would you like Leicester to do? For clarity my club happily send children to academies all over the UK, including patriots one. There's way to approach children and ways you don't. |
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Post by SamH on Jul 15, 2024 10:47:39 GMT
Without them we don't have lot of things We don't have players starting fights mid game We don't have fans entering changing rooms at half time to attack opposing players We don't have coaches breaking safeguarding rules to try and tap up 14 year olds We don't have fans booing charity events that aren't run by pats You don't have players family attacking players and coaches of other teams It's not about Raiders V Pats, it's a group of people that bring an incredible amount of negative attention to the sport who think they're the most important people in the world. And we also don't have more games and variety in the league! All those issues above need to be properly addressed with sanctions if need be and people attacking personnel banned. Booing charity events, that's an odd one but even so, we need more teams - not fewer! |
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Post by notoriousbigz on Jul 15, 2024 13:14:33 GMT
Without them we don't have lot of things We don't have players starting fights mid game We don't have fans entering changing rooms at half time to attack opposing players We don't have coaches breaking safeguarding rules to try and tap up 14 year olds We don't have fans booing charity events that aren't run by pats You don't have players family attacking players and coaches of other teams It's not about Raiders V Pats, it's a group of people that bring an incredible amount of negative attention to the sport who think they're the most important people in the world. I’ll address in turn: Happens in every sport and with every team. Welcome to the world of men’s sport. Not the only ones. It’s down to teams to adequately put security in place for stuff like that. Really? It happens the world over in junior sport, see irfs response. Thats just a weird thing to get offended by. See the security point above. Devan Baileys family got involved up in Scotland years ago if I remember right? Genuinely comes across like you’re offended by the mere thought of a team in Plymouth not being the raiders. You’re either living in a bubble or are looking for excuses to be outraged. |
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Post by SamH on Jul 15, 2024 13:35:25 GMT
There have been problem teams (I always hark back to 1998's Derby Storm as Exhibit A but there have been others) and dare I say, problem fans over the years (who remembers Sheffield Adam?) but I don't think any of this is reason to not have a team at all, especially when we are so desperate for them!
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Post by irf on Jul 15, 2024 14:55:33 GMT
Being disillusioned with pro team sport and preferring grass roots of course is nothing new
Plenty of sports fans go that way
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Post by donthatetheplayer on Jul 16, 2024 16:20:52 GMT
The BBL have made it very easy for basketball fans to be totally disillusioned with the antics, not least for those that want to watch some decent British talent which the BBL has worked hard to expunge from its teams in the last 3 years. The NBL have benefitted enormously from the BBL's failings and will carry on doing so.
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