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Post by D44 on Jul 24, 2023 15:10:40 GMT
Evidently it's a wonderful thing from the fans' perspective. Most BBL followers are lauding every move Eagles make this summer. I'm the only miserable bastard who isn't impressed. Every team couldn't do the same thing you're right. We'd run out of players in no time if they tried. And personally, I think the 'bigger, better run clubs' with designs on European basketball ought to be the ones in the strongest position to bring exciting, potentially higher level new players into the league. As opposed to just trying to piggyback off the work done by other BBL clubs. But I'm flogging a dead horse here clearly. I'm the only one that thinks I have a point. It's an inevitable consequence of players usually only signing 9 month contracts though. They cease to be 'other teams' players once their contract ends. Would you rather entertaining players like Green and Austin Jnr stay in the BBL or move onto to other leagues? |
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Post by dexter on Jul 24, 2023 15:13:59 GMT
Evidently it's a wonderful thing from the fans' perspective. Most BBL followers are lauding every move Eagles make this summer. I'm the only miserable bastard who isn't impressed. Every team couldn't do the same thing you're right. We'd run out of players in no time if they tried. And personally, I think the 'bigger, better run clubs' with designs on European basketball ought to be the ones in the strongest position to bring exciting, potentially higher level new players into the league. As opposed to just trying to piggyback off the work done by other BBL clubs. But I'm flogging a dead horse here clearly. I'm the only one that thinks I have a point. You do have a point. If I was picking a fantasy BBL team I would pretty much pick the team Eagles have recruited so far. It takes no expert knowledge or effort to do that. There is definitely a lot more effort and knowledge to bring in a PJC or Geno Crandall, and we all get a lot more out of it. Let’s not overlook the third way though; developing our own players. That is the least lazy and most important way of getting players. |
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Post by baldeagle on Jul 24, 2023 15:20:23 GMT
Evidently it's a wonderful thing from the fans' perspective. Most BBL followers are lauding every move Eagles make this summer. I'm the only miserable bastard who isn't impressed. Every team couldn't do the same thing you're right. We'd run out of players in no time if they tried. And personally, I think the 'bigger, better run clubs' with designs on European basketball ought to be the ones in the strongest position to bring exciting, potentially higher level new players into the league. As opposed to just trying to piggyback off the work done by other BBL clubs. But I'm flogging a dead horse here clearly. I'm the only one that thinks I have a point. To be honest I don’t completely disagree with you, because I like to see a mixture of new and established faces in the league. But I completely understand the Eagles strategy (so far) and can’t really see it working to the detriment of the league (compare and contrast with the self-interested removal of the salary cap for the benefit of precisely one club….). But I think it’s slightly ironic that you’re making a big song and dance about Eagles recruiting proven BBL greats when, off the top of my head, I can think of transformational players like Sullivan, Thomson & King who were recruited by Leicester from……other BBL teams. |
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Post by SamH on Jul 24, 2023 15:24:11 GMT
But I remember as a Bears fan, it was really exciting to see us sign great players like Wilbur Johnson, Yorick Williams, Jerry Williams, Ralph Blalock, etc. as you knew you were going to have a good season. The number of times they brought in new players who turned out to be disappointing...so I think you can get excited about seeing great players join your team!
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Post by baldeagle on Jul 24, 2023 19:59:36 GMT
But I remember as a Bears fan, it was really exciting to see us sign great players like Wilbur Johnson, Yorick Williams, Jerry Williams, Ralph Blalock, etc. as you knew you were going to have a good season. The number of times they brought in new players who turned out to be disappointing...so I think you can get excited about seeing great players join your team! Too right! |
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Post by eagles18000 on Jul 24, 2023 20:21:36 GMT
not forgetting pierre hampton and mo walker
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Post by spacejammer on Jul 24, 2023 21:18:56 GMT
But I remember as a Bears fan, it was really exciting to see us sign great players like Wilbur Johnson, Yorick Williams, Jerry Williams, Ralph Blalock, etc. as you knew you were going to have a good season. The number of times they brought in new players who turned out to be disappointing...so I think you can get excited about seeing great players join your team! Exactly I remember watching Robbie P mention about Nelson Henry during the playoff post game conference where he pretty much hinted that coaches look for more then just players for ball handling skills and playing ability. They also want players who can become great ambassadors to the club or mentors for younger players as well. And as a fan I think having to returner players who you get to watch season after gives you the chance to form more of a bond with them and they're usually the players you tend to remember the most in seasons gone by. I also think it shows a certainly level of loyalty and eventually you start to recognise them more and more as your teams player as you start to adopt them as your own. And it becomes even more heart wrenching when you then watch them eventually depart or if they join another BBL club. To me that is something that clubs and fans enjoy seeing as it gives you the impression they also really care about the club. Whereas a one and done BBL player you probably won't remember as much. Although if a really good young player wants to climb higher in Europe and uses the BBL as a stepping stone. I suppose I completely understand as well and cannot blame them. However it can sometimes be frustrating to watch it when a player obviously doesn't care for your club and hurt as a fan as well. Which angered me 2 seasons ago when we were getting destroyed by Leicester at home by 25 points and I saw our players coming out of a timeout laughing amongst themselves. |
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Post by tallerman on Jul 25, 2023 5:29:53 GMT
not forgetting pierre hampton and mo walker Or rowe, washington, walshe, anderson etc the list goes on! |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Jul 26, 2023 1:20:53 GMT
Indeed tall chap, the list goes on. Tis a magnificent list and kudos to all those that have contributed to it. I'll even chip in myself with Shane Walker. The only slight problem with it is that it spans twelve years not one bloody summer. It averages out as about one player per season, not seven and counting. Riders first signed Sullivan in 2011. The same year they also signed two of the best new players in the league at the time in Rundles and Hardy, along with various other guys they bothered to go out and find for themselves.
It's inevitable that there will be *some* player movement within any league. And I'm not saying it's a crime for a BBL club to ever go out and sign someone that has played previously for another BBL club. If I thought that I'd be beating Gladiators with the same stick. Not only have they signed an established player from another BBL club this summer but they've had the audacity to take that player from Riders. I'm not levelling the same criticism at them though because what they're doing isn't remotely similar to what Eagles are doing. No other club in the league is doing anything remotely similar.
If people want to imagine that putting together a roster like some 15 year old kid playing fantasy basketball is somehow clever, brilliant recruitment that's up to them. But let's not pretend this is in any way common practice. It isn't.
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Post by eagles18000 on Jul 26, 2023 10:29:50 GMT
surely all roster building is fantasy basketball. The only differences are between known and unknown quantities.
Known quantities tend to cost more so nature of recruitment here may be more indicative of the financial situations of the clubs than anything else.
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Post by irf on Jul 28, 2023 23:06:46 GMT
Don't blame Eagles at all.
It's a clever strategy. Must need a decent budget as well because signing proven BBL players will cost more than signing rookies or unproven players at this level
Eagles fans deserve a significantly improved League position
The club are giving themselves every chance to make that happen
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Post by baldeagle on Jul 29, 2023 6:19:04 GMT
Don't blame Eagles at all. It's a clever strategy. Must need a decent budget as well because signing proven BBL players will cost more than signing rookies or unproven players at this level Eagles fans deserve a significantly improved League position The club are giving themselves every chance to make that happen From a budget point of view, I suspect that recruiting a number of proven players is no more expensive than funding last year’s revolving door (think of all those wasted air fares, Visa costs etc). |
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Post by irf on Jul 31, 2023 7:06:12 GMT
Don't blame Eagles at all. It's a clever strategy. Must need a decent budget as well because signing proven BBL players will cost more than signing rookies or unproven players at this level Eagles fans deserve a significantly improved League position The club are giving themselves every chance to make that happen From a budget point of view, I suspect that recruiting a number of proven players is no more expensive than funding last year’s revolving door (think of all those wasted air fares, Visa costs etc). That assumes zero injuries and players need replacing this season of course Lazy recruitment can ensure players fit the BBL but it can't prevent injuries etc Personally I'm Not against lazy recruitment though for teams that can afford it |
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