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Post by SamH on Jun 9, 2023 10:40:28 GMT
Could be difficult to actually sign 6 brits though so then what happens? They'll just add a local 16 year old who will sit on the bench just to make up the numbers. Maybe a better option would be to insist on say, 3 brits per team which would hopefully be realistic in not only fulfilling the requirement but doing so with players who can actually contribute and play meaningful minutes?
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Jun 9, 2023 16:37:54 GMT
Yep, there's no way a normal BBL team would be able to sign six adequate British players and still make effective use of 5-6 overseas slots.
I think five overseas ought to be enough for everyone. Riders only officially used four this year. I very much doubt we'll be signing six next season and I'm not convinced many clubs will. What standard of player is a normal BBL club realistically going to be able to sign as a sixth American? It would probably just be some rookie coming off an underwhelming college career at, I dunno, Middle Chattanooga Tech. Unlikely to be a game changer. And they'd potentially have to sacrifice one of their better Brits to accommodate this player.
The only team that would definitely benefit from this is London. Pure addition without subtraction for them. Pretty sure they had 6 or more overseas players on their books for the majority of this season. They wouldn't have to sign more players or spend more money to take advantage of the rule change. They could simply keep an additional relatively high level import on their active BBL roster all season long. The gap between them and the rest gets bigger and a few homegrown players potentially lose a job in the process. Lose lose.
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Post by dandayr on Jun 9, 2023 17:42:01 GMT
id say Gladiators could also benefit from such a rule change - last season 5 americans (though weirdly the BBL roster page lists Sloan as GBR) plus the brits, i'm sure their owners budgets could cope with a 6th overseas player ok
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Post by spacejammer on Jun 9, 2023 22:11:34 GMT
Could be difficult to actually sign 6 brits though so then what happens? They'll just add a local 16 year old who will sit on the bench just to make up the numbers. Maybe a better option would be to insist on say, 3 brits per team which would hopefully be realistic in not only fulfilling the requirement but doing so with players who can actually contribute and play meaningful minutes? To be honest I'm not worried about the BBL folding if things went wrong but I would be worried about Londons future if things did go pear shaped. I think given 777 plans for the league next year its safe to say their here for atleast 1 more season. As for your comments on lack of opportunity for British players. I did question this about the Eagles as we have had the same kids sit on the bench for multiple seasons but rarely seem to get extra minutes except in garbage time. Which to me I think sort of sucks because as a player in any sport you usually just want to play and build some experience. If your not part of the coaches plan to be involved in the game meaningfully then other then a free courtside seat how are you expected to improve your game in the BBL? Apart from being able to be around home and represent your local town or city as well as maybe an educational aspect if your at university or doing a degree. To me if your a young and talented player better off going abroad and getting some life experience as you would atleast get to play meaningful minutes. When I look at some of the Brit players now in the BBL alot of them played abroad in the early years before returning to the BBL in there latter years as well. |
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Post by D44 on Jun 11, 2023 23:47:14 GMT
Yep, there's no way a normal BBL team would be able to sign six adequate British players and still make effective use of 5-6 overseas slots. I think five overseas ought to be enough for everyone. Riders only officially used four this year. I very much doubt we'll be signing six next season and I'm not convinced many clubs will. What standard of player is a normal BBL club realistically going to be able to sign as a sixth American? It would probably just be some rookie coming off an underwhelming college career at, I dunno, Middle Chattanooga Tech. Unlikely to be a game changer. And they'd potentially have to sacrifice one of their better Brits to accommodate this player. The only team that would definitely benefit from this is London. Pure addition without subtraction for them. Pretty sure they had 6 or more overseas players on their books for the majority of this season. They wouldn't have to sign more players or spend more money to take advantage of the rule change. They could simply keep an additional relatively high level import on their active BBL roster all season long. The gap between them and the rest gets bigger and a few homegrown players potentially lose a job in the process. Lose lose. Adekoya is American. Mo Walker and Mackenzie are Canadian. That's 7 by my reckoning. Opening up a sixth spot for an American who is still an American but isn't eligible for a British passport will make zero difference. Sharks had 8 Americans if you take into account that Ratinho, Delpeche and Glasgow are in fact American. |
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Post by spacejammer on Jun 12, 2023 6:43:00 GMT
I think one of the questions is as well is would the top British Talent want to play in the BBL?
I mean if your dream is to make the NBA and you don't get there straight away from the draft.
Then realistically your going to want to go to a league where the NBA scouts are going to be watching like Spain, France, Germany, Greece, China or Australia etc...
Unless the NBA scouts were to start se cretly showing up at BBL matches and had the BBL on its radar.
Then coming to the BBL won't get you noticed in that sense, mostly like it will see you dissappear of the radar.
That being said I know making the NBA isn't necessarily everyone's basketball ambition I suppose.
But I also feel even if you have a good number of Brits in the BBL that there's still going to be a conception that the best of the Brits are playing overseas.
And in terms of toughness if you want the National team to get stronger I feel we need players that are playing in tougher leagues then the BBL.
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Post by mansfieldmike on Jun 12, 2023 12:17:56 GMT
Yep, there's no way a normal BBL team would be able to sign six adequate British players and still make effective use of 5-6 overseas slots. I think five overseas ought to be enough for everyone. Riders only officially used four this year. I very much doubt we'll be signing six next season and I'm not convinced many clubs will. What standard of player is a normal BBL club realistically going to be able to sign as a sixth American? It would probably just be some rookie coming off an underwhelming college career at, I dunno, Middle Chattanooga Tech. Unlikely to be a game changer. And they'd potentially have to sacrifice one of their better Brits to accommodate this player. The only team that would definitely benefit from this is London. Pure addition without subtraction for them. Pretty sure they had 6 or more overseas players on their books for the majority of this season. They wouldn't have to sign more players or spend more money to take advantage of the rule change. They could simply keep an additional relatively high level import on their active BBL roster all season long. The gap between them and the rest gets bigger and a few homegrown players potentially lose a job in the process. Lose lose. Adekoya is American. Mo Walker and Mackenzie are Canadian. That's 7 by my reckoning. Opening up a sixth spot for an American who is still an American but isn't eligible for a British passport will make zero difference. Sharks had 8 Americans if you take into account that Ratinho, Delpeche and Glasgow are in fact American. You clearly don’t understand the concept of dual nationality. Look it up. |
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Post by Stephen Abootman on Jun 12, 2023 14:11:11 GMT
Adekoya is American. Mo Walker and Mackenzie are Canadian. That's 7 by my reckoning. Opening up a sixth spot for an American who is still an American but isn't eligible for a British passport will make zero difference. Sharks had 8 Americans if you take into account that Ratinho, Delpeche and Glasgow are in fact American. I'm not entirely sure whether you're agreeing with me or disagreeing. The reason I said Riders only 'officially' used four overseas is that I thought someone might bring up the 'plastic' Brits. Walker played five games for us this season in September/October and definitely should not be counted. He's basically played one season in three years and I can't say I'm particularly looking forward to seeing his next comeback attempt play out at the club I support, though I'm assuming that's what's going to happen. Mackenzie is an import quality 'Brit'. I don't think it would be too difficult to replace Adekoya with a cheap American of potentially better quality but that would still only take our official number to five. Assuming we aren't about to benefit from significant new investment we'll ultimately have 8-9 senior players next season, whatever country they happen to officially be from, plus a couple of decent student players. And I think that's roughly what most other teams will look like. If Gladiators' spending is about to increase dramatically they may be an exception but like I said, I don't think the ability to add a sixth American will significantly benefit many. And I think there's enough mediocre Americans in the BBL as it is. The bottom line really is that having an additional EuroCup level import on Lions' active BBL roster all season long will improve them a lot more than James Hawthorne will improve other teams. They'd be the only obvious beneficiaries of the change. |
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Post by D44 on Jun 12, 2023 15:28:47 GMT
Adekoya is American. Mo Walker and Mackenzie are Canadian. That's 7 by my reckoning. Opening up a sixth spot for an American who is still an American but isn't eligible for a British passport will make zero difference. Sharks had 8 Americans if you take into account that Ratinho, Delpeche and Glasgow are in fact American. I'm not entirely sure whether you're agreeing with me or disagreeing. The reason I said Riders only 'officially' used four overseas is that I thought someone might bring up the 'plastic' Brits. Walker played five games for us this season in September/October and definitely should not be counted. He's basically played one season in three years and I can't say I'm particularly looking forward to seeing his next comeback attempt play out at the club I support, though I'm assuming that's what's going to happen. Mackenzie is an import quality 'Brit'. I don't think it would be too difficult to replace Adekoya with a cheap American of potentially better quality but that would still only take our official number to five. Assuming we aren't about to benefit from significant new investment we'll ultimately have 8-9 senior players next season, whatever country they happen to officially be from, plus a couple of decent student players. And I think that's roughly what most other teams will look like. If Gladiators' spending is about to increase dramatically they may be an exception but like I said, I don't think the ability to add a sixth American will significantly benefit many. And I think there's enough mediocre Americans in the BBL as it is. The bottom line really is that having an additional EuroCup level import on Lions' active BBL roster all season long will improve them a lot more than James Hawthorne will improve other teams. They'd be the only obvious beneficiaries of the change. I'm just saying it won't make too much difference when in reality most/all teams have 7, 8 or 9 Americans anyway. The only people it affects in any way is it lowers the value of being an American eligible for a British passport. |
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Post by tallerman on Jun 13, 2023 9:16:06 GMT
The idea of a plastic Brit is pointless, they’re classed as American by opposing fans because they grew up in a system that’s designed for basketball, I completely get the argument that they’re yanks.
The true plastic brits are players like Dusha who will use his passport to be British then play for a different national team. The league is stronger with the likes of kimbal mckenzie who wants to and does represent team gb when he’s not British
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Post by SamH on Jun 13, 2023 14:58:42 GMT
Going back to 777, presumably their plan of growth would involve reaching a stage where salaries can increase too - not saying their plan is good or will work, but if it does, and teams find themselves being able to pay better in the years to come, it might be enough to attract decent british players anyway. I'm sure a lot of them would be happy to play in their own country if they felt the money was competitive.
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