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Post by spacejammer on Nov 18, 2022 21:45:10 GMT
Well the Patriots started there Christmas shopping early.
And decided for dinner this year instead of Turkey they wanted to have Eagle instead.
As they well and truly stuffed us tonight.
Just as we looked like we were going to turn the tides they immediately responded at the other end and we fell apart.
I was thinking to myself I now understand how Riders feel without Geno.
But even if we had Hamlet, tonight we would have still been ripped apart.
Credit to the Pats for a much better game tonight.
As for the Eagles we keep this up and the only thing Marc's going to end up developing is a drinking problem.
The only thing im now wondering is will Leicester destroy us by 20 or 30 points next weeks Cup match?
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Post by tallerman on Nov 18, 2022 21:48:19 GMT
How is Cohn still an eagle is my worry. Doesn't seem to fit the role at all
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Post by spacejammer on Nov 18, 2022 21:55:17 GMT
How is Cohn still an eagle is my worry. Doesn't seem to fit the role at all To be honest him and Hamlet have been pur star players most of this season. Other players have either been injured, come/gone or not met expectations. |
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Post by stevetino on Nov 18, 2022 21:59:40 GMT
Breaking news Menzies looked decent first few minutes on court He's some unit Who? |
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Post by massiveridersfan on Nov 18, 2022 22:17:09 GMT
Riders won tonight against Sharks without our American PG.
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Post by D44 on Nov 18, 2022 22:17:21 GMT
How is Cohn still an eagle is my worry. Doesn't seem to fit the role at all To be honest him and Hamlet have been pur star players most of this season. Other players have either been injured, come/gone or not met expectations. Dusha made him look a right knob tonight mind. The backup guard on the second worst team in the league absolutely embarrassed him. I'm not sure what he really offers when he isn't looking to shoot the 3. His defence is terrible and he doesn't seem interested in driving to the rim. I'm not sure if adding Denz and Kyle Johnson into the mix has really helped with squad cohesion. Games like tonight I would have much rather had Varner coming off the bench than Cohn. |
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Post by mac on Nov 18, 2022 22:18:23 GMT
My first game since the first lockdown and I really wish I hadn't bothered. That was as abject a performance as I can recall. Congratulations Plymouth, have a safe trip home.
Open letter.
Dear Paul Blake, it's about our defence. Please can we have one?
Yours sincerely
Mac
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Post by teamnix on Nov 18, 2022 22:20:56 GMT
Tough loss tonight we have let flyers off the hook twice now,started off awful looked like we never played together in the first five minutes got it back went ten up and blew it again,wish someone could tell me why Lloyd Daniel’s is still here he is doing nothing feel we need someone who can score missing a namon
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Post by erj14 on Nov 19, 2022 0:47:09 GMT
Feel like I've seen enough of Eagles this season now to start forming an opinion on this team. Can't see how they'll have a winning record and could quite easily finish bottom, with all other teams seeming to be improving.
We've gone from having the best PG in the league to probably one of the worst. Cohn's defense is a huge weakness for the team and every other PG in the league are just allowed to do what they want when being guarded by him. He doesn't look to score at all, which makes him so easy to read. 4 points and 4 assists tonight, that's woeful. I'd have to look extremely hard to find a stat line like that for Fletch when he played for us.
So many average Brit players, why did they sign Ubiaro? It just feels like there is no plan, I don't know what type of team they're trying to build.
Plymouth just took the piss tonight, they aren't even that good. They were just allowed to do whatever they wanted. The rim was wide open all night and they were also allowed to take practice threes all night as well.
Not sure if the GB window can be blamed, as I would imagine the coach didn't arrive back till Tuesday. But this was known in the summer when they recruited him, so cant be used as an excuse. Left in the capable hands of our assistant coach, with whom all we've done is lose since his arrival last year.
So frustrating tonight, can't see how it's gonna get any better without gutting the team AGAIN.
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Post by D44 on Nov 19, 2022 9:01:12 GMT
Feel like I've seen enough of Eagles this season now to start forming an opinion on this team. Can't see how they'll have a winning record and could quite easily finish bottom, with all other teams seeming to be improving. We've gone from having the best PG in the league to probably one of the worst. Cohn's defense is a huge weakness for the team and every other PG in the league are just allowed to do what they want when being guarded by him. He doesn't look to score at all, which makes him so easy to read. 4 points and 4 assists tonight, that's woeful. I'd have to look extremely hard to find a stat line like that for Fletch when he played for us. So many average Brit players, why did they sign Ubiaro? It just feels like there is no plan, I don't know what type of team they're trying to build. Plymouth just took the piss tonight, they aren't even that good. They were just allowed to do whatever they wanted. The rim was wide open all night and they were also allowed to take practice threes all night as well. Not sure if the GB window can be blamed, as I would imagine the coach didn't arrive back till Tuesday. But this was known in the summer when they recruited him, so cant be used as an excuse. Left in the capable hands of our assistant coach, with whom all we've done is lose since his arrival last year. So frustrating tonight, can't see how it's gonna get any better without gutting the team AGAIN. It seems like coach is throwing s__t at the wall and hoping something sticks. Which is really disappointing. Its time to get a settled starting 5 out there. We sometimes having 4 different players playing point guard in the same game which is ridiculous. If Kyle Johnson is his guy let him start and play 30 minutes and built around that. Everett clearly has no idea what he's supposed to be doing yet either, how many times last night was he stood on the perimeter while one of the guards had to try and post up. Everett averaged 12 ppg in the top division in Argentina last year, not like he can't play. The only way we'll win any games this year is if we manage to hit a ridiculous average from 3 (like against Bristol) but that isn't sustainable at this level. |
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Post by stevetino on Nov 19, 2022 9:19:25 GMT
Feel like I've seen enough of Eagles this season now to start forming an opinion on this team. Can't see how they'll have a winning record and could quite easily finish bottom, with all other teams seeming to be improving. We've gone from having the best PG in the league to probably one of the worst. Cohn's defense is a huge weakness for the team and every other PG in the league are just allowed to do what they want when being guarded by him. He doesn't look to score at all, which makes him so easy to read. 4 points and 4 assists tonight, that's woeful. I'd have to look extremely hard to find a stat line like that for Fletch when he played for us. So many average Brit players, why did they sign Ubiaro? It just feels like there is no plan, I don't know what type of team they're trying to build. Plymouth just took the piss tonight, they aren't even that good. They were just allowed to do whatever they wanted. The rim was wide open all night and they were also allowed to take practice threes all night as well. Not sure if the GB window can be blamed, as I would imagine the coach didn't arrive back till Tuesday. But this was known in the summer when they recruited him, so cant be used as an excuse. Left in the capable hands of our assistant coach, with whom all we've done is lose since his arrival last year. So frustrating tonight, can't see how it's gonna get any better without gutting the team AGAIN. It seems like coach is throwing s__t at the wall and hoping something sticks. Which is really disappointing. Its time to get a settled starting 5 out there. We sometimes having 4 different players playing point guard in the same game which is ridiculous. If Kyle Johnson is his guy let him start and play 30 minutes and built around that. Everett clearly has no idea what he's supposed to be doing yet either, how many times last night was he stood on the perimeter while one of the guards had to try and post up. Everett averaged 12 ppg in the top division in Argentina last year, not like he can't play. The only way we'll win any games this year is if we manage to hit a ridiculous average from 3 (like against Bristol) but that isn't sustainable at this level. I tend to agree, Cohn is such a downgrade on Fletch and all the problems are stemming from there, can’t seem to get the combinations right, we look lost as if we don’t train with each other at times, mockford is a waste of a shirt |
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Post by isthaturinal on Nov 19, 2022 11:23:17 GMT
Pretty boring game at the morningside arena last night,
Don’t think the game really got going until the 4th quarter.
The in house DJ was missing so the atmosphere was definitely lacking,
Menzies showed definite signs of a decent player and will only get better with squad practice,
But Thornton was pretty woeful, at this moment I’d be happy with Kimball or Connor starting,
Sharks we’re dull as….I’d be worried if Bennett Koch was finishing as your top scorer, I’d leave him on the bench doing a fine job in keeping it warm.
I’ll take a boring W all day long and reading the above posts from the Eagle faithful next Saturday could be very interesting……
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Post by irf on Nov 19, 2022 11:38:21 GMT
Pretty boring game at the morningside arena last night, Don’t think the game really got going until the 4th quarter. The in house DJ was missing so the atmosphere was definitely lacking, Menzies showed definite signs of a decent player and will only get better with squad practice, But Thornton was pretty woeful, at this moment I’d be happy with Kimball or Connor starting, Sharks we’re dull as….I’d be worried if Bennett Koch was finishing as your top scorer, I’d leave him on the bench doing a fine job in keeping it warm. I’ll take a boring W all day long and reading the above posts from the Eagle faithful next Saturday could be very interesting…… Normally I would have at least a few nerves facing Eagles. We might catch Fletch on a really good day etc. But even though I don't think Riders are anywhere near firing on all cylinders right now they are still too good a squad to find any way to lose to this Eagles squad I think it will be a pretty nothing game compared to Riders V Eagles games of the past I've been criticised many times for saying Eagles have been left behind by the rest of BBL in recent years. But I stand by it. The buck has to stop with the owner. Hes ultimately responsible for the coaches and players they recruit Best case this season Eagles will finish 3rd bottom of the league And I wouldn't hold your breath on them even achieving that Right now it's a waste of the best supported franchise in the League that should be challenging for the League title every season Let's be brutally honest? Eagles used to be the team everybody wanted to beat Now they have become the team everybody expects to beat There's no fear even playing Eagles away any more as the fans don't have a team they can really get behind for any significant period of the game It's really time for the Eagles owner to stand up and be counted. Surely he must know what Eagles are delivering on court is unacceptable? |
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Post by stevetino on Nov 19, 2022 11:59:13 GMT
Pretty boring game at the morningside arena last night, Don’t think the game really got going until the 4th quarter. The in house DJ was missing so the atmosphere was definitely lacking, Menzies showed definite signs of a decent player and will only get better with squad practice, But Thornton was pretty woeful, at this moment I’d be happy with Kimball or Connor starting, Sharks we’re dull as….I’d be worried if Bennett Koch was finishing as your top scorer, I’d leave him on the bench doing a fine job in keeping it warm. I’ll take a boring W all day long and reading the above posts from the Eagle faithful next Saturday could be very interesting…… Normally I would have at least a few nerves facing Eagles. We might catch Fletch on a really good day etc. But even though I don't think Riders are anywhere near firing on all cylinders right now they are still too good a squad to find any way to lose to this Eagles squad I think it will be a pretty nothing game compared to Riders V Eagles games of the past I've been criticised many times for saying Eagles have been left behind by the rest of BBL in recent years. But I stand by it. The buck has to stop with the owner. Hes ultimately responsible for the coaches and players they recruit Best case this season Eagles will finish 3rd bottom of the league And I wouldn't hold your breath on them even achieving that Right now it's a waste of the best supported franchise in the League that should be challenging for the League title every season Let's be brutally honest? Eagles used to be the team everybody wanted to beat Now they have become the team everybody expects to beat There's no fear even playing Eagles away any more as the fans don't have a team they can really get behind for any significant period of the game It's really time for the Eagles owner to stand up and be counted. Surely he must know what Eagles are delivering on court is unacceptable? I’m sure he knows it IRF, it’s what the coaches and players are not delivering that’s the immediate issue |
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Post by spacejammer on Nov 19, 2022 12:12:36 GMT
Well from what I have seen both on here and the Eagles Facebook page I'm afraid I cannot disagree with what has been said.
And now I'm officially hitting the panic button on this season.
I don't think we can blame Steutel alone and one thing I give him is he atleast is trying to steer the team.
But I think even he might be wondering if he has bitten off more then he can chew.
Whilst I again don't expect us to win the league and don't want rid of him.
We need to atleast show improvement from last season and right now it looks like we're going to finish bottom of the league.
We could have been drawn against an EBL or SBL team in Trophy and they would have hammered us last night.
I think the Eagles organisation has a lot to answer for?
On another note just watched the Leicester game back on Sky.
I'm surprised they don't put the Glads vs Riders match on Wednesday on Sky Sports next week since England will be playing USA in the Fifa World Cup next Friday during the usual slot time instead of a weekend off.
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Post by notoriousbigz on Nov 19, 2022 12:21:28 GMT
I think its wild youve gone after the Eagles ownership here. Absolutely wild.
Theyve given a young local coach everyone was raving about after his exploits with GB a shot in the BBL and have backed him because theres no way their budget strings have been pulled too much with the amount of changes and signings they've made, and yet its their fault? Do me a favour. From their perspective, the stupid money being thrown at London right now its actually a good time for a full on rebuild - because on paper (all the non basketball specialist ownership have to go on really), nobody should be getting near this Lions team. And probably wont. So why not rip it up and start from scratch.
There's a number of things working against them right now:
1) Steutals first year in the BBL - despite everyone thinking they know everything about the league and even look down on it, his lack of experience of the way this league plays out is probably a contributing factor. Hes not a bad coach, lets be clear about that. He does have to learn the league and professional non-NT basketball to an extent. What has disappointed me is his teams lack of identity. Id at least expect a bit of grit and fight from any Eagles team - this lot simply gave up last night. For example, if Donny Johnson doesnt get his hands dirty you may as well cut him, he doesnt have anything offesnively but effort and he certainly didnt give that last night. For me you need a team that reflects the city to really appeal to Newcastles strongest asset - its fans. For me thats a team that doesn't stop swinging even when its about to hit the canvas. Get the effort levels up there and its half the battle. The new big fella embarrassed himself last night - there was a time in the game I thought hed forgotten who he was playing for.
2) Probably a follow on from 1), but the recruitments way off whats needed for a good balance in the BBL. I understand theyve missed out on some big targets but the approach seems a little scattergun. You recruit guys like Johnson for his blue collar approach but then youve got a floor general like Cohn who is as defensively weak as I've seen. Its more like an overcompensation on one part because of anothers failings rather than a compliment to each other. Its just one example - theres a lot more I could draw on. One thing Dave and Fab did when putting a team together was look for parts that fit together, this team looks very jagged edge to me. Appreciate they were missing their go to scorer last night but even he's a bit hit and miss for me. But again, Id qualify this by saying theres probably not a better time to start a rebuild than right now - and Steutals shown internationally what he can do and Ive no reason to think he wont learn quickly on the job.
3) I genuinely dont know the full extent of the answer here, but how big is the rebuild? I know Stronarchs in as assistant (and hes been out of the game a good while - is he out of touch at the other end of the spectrum to Steutal?) - but whos recruiting the team and how much help has Steutal had in other ways from people in and around the club and indeed how much does he want? Theres a good chance it could be a contributing factor.
4) And this is a big one, probably bigger than the above is the players themselves. They should be giving a right testicle to play for a Coach whos given them a chance to play at one of if not the best ran professional club in Britain. Theres a few there who really need to look at themselves. Ability I can forgive, and that comes down to recruitment in the first place, but attitude is a non negotiable and not something that's easily scouted. I think theres a few there in that Eagles team with a weak mentality.
Overall - whilst its painful for the fans right now and yes theres a few obvious quick fixes for me, I think the benefits of a rebuild at this exact moment with one of the most exciting up and coming British coaches in the British game being allowed to learn on the job will pay off in years to come. Stick with it, despite how bad it invariably is right now.
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Post by D44 on Nov 19, 2022 12:57:38 GMT
All good points Bigz but can you really call it a rebuild when you have 5 players in their 30s on the court at times? And if Cohn is someone the organisation believe in and who may stick around a few seasons why start Johnson over him or Defoe over Everett/Shelton. Where's the young British guys? This isn't a rebuild team, it's a team with good parts who've been assembled to win now and are just crap IMO. The manner of the losses against Scorchers and Patriots were embarrassing as both these teams are very limited and paper thin depth wise and won comfortably.
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Post by irf on Nov 19, 2022 13:46:28 GMT
Normally I would have at least a few nerves facing Eagles. We might catch Fletch on a really good day etc. But even though I don't think Riders are anywhere near firing on all cylinders right now they are still too good a squad to find any way to lose to this Eagles squad I think it will be a pretty nothing game compared to Riders V Eagles games of the past I've been criticised many times for saying Eagles have been left behind by the rest of BBL in recent years. But I stand by it. The buck has to stop with the owner. Hes ultimately responsible for the coaches and players they recruit Best case this season Eagles will finish 3rd bottom of the league And I wouldn't hold your breath on them even achieving that Right now it's a waste of the best supported franchise in the League that should be challenging for the League title every season Let's be brutally honest? Eagles used to be the team everybody wanted to beat Now they have become the team everybody expects to beat There's no fear even playing Eagles away any more as the fans don't have a team they can really get behind for any significant period of the game It's really time for the Eagles owner to stand up and be counted. Surely he must know what Eagles are delivering on court is unacceptable? I’m sure he knows it IRF, it’s what the coaches and players are not delivering that’s the immediate issue But the owner is ultimately responsible for who is recruited by the club? He obviously recruits the coach himself and must pay wages or fees to someone somewhere to help the coach recruit a squad Unless he does recruitment himself? Regardless he's ultimately responsible for what Eagles fans get to support each week on court |
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Post by spacejammer on Nov 19, 2022 13:53:34 GMT
I’m sure he knows it IRF, it’s what the coaches and players are not delivering that’s the immediate issue But the owner is ultimately responsible for who is recruited by the club? He obviously recruits the coach himself and must pay wages or fees to someone somewhere to help the coach recruit a squad Unless he does recruitment himself? Regardless he's ultimately responsible for what Eagles fans get to support each week on court I think Bigz is right I don't think we can point most the blame at Marc. As an unsatisfied customer I would probably say "I like to speak to manager?" As I think the recruitment as well as some of the players are to blame for how things have gone so far. I also think the team looks so unfamiliar with each other the atmosphere amongst them is sour. At this stage in the season teams should have been together long enough now to establish some rhythm. Yet because we have had so many come and go we're more out of tune then a traffic jam orchestra. |
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Post by irf on Nov 19, 2022 13:58:33 GMT
I think its wild youve gone after the Eagles ownership here. Absolutely wild. Theyve given a young local coach everyone was raving about after his exploits with GB a shot in the BBL and have backed him because theres no way their budget strings have been pulled too much with the amount of changes and signings they've made, and yet its their fault? Do me a favour. From their perspective, the stupid money being thrown at London right now its actually a good time for a full on rebuild - because on paper (all the non basketball specialist ownership have to go on really), nobody should be getting near this Lions team. And probably wont. So why not rip it up and start from scratch. There's a number of things working against them right now: 1) Steutals first year in the BBL - despite everyone thinking they know everything about the league and even look down on it, his lack of experience of the way this league plays out is probably a contributing factor. Hes not a bad coach, lets be clear about that. He does have to learn the league and professional non-NT basketball to an extent. What has disappointed me is his teams lack of identity. Id at least expect a bit of grit and fight from any Eagles team - this lot simply gave up last night. For example, if Donny Johnson doesnt get his hands dirty you may as well cut him, he doesnt have anything offesnively but effort and he certainly didnt give that last night. For me you need a team that reflects the city to really appeal to Newcastles strongest asset - its fans. For me thats a team that doesn't stop swinging even when its about to hit the canvas. Get the effort levels up there and its half the battle. The new big fella embarrassed himself last night - there was a time in the game I thought hed forgotten who he was playing for. 2) Probably a follow on from 1), but the recruitments way off whats needed for a good balance in the BBL. I understand theyve missed out on some big targets but the approach seems a little scattergun. You recruit guys like Johnson for his blue collar approach but then youve got a floor general like Cohn who is as defensively weak as I've seen. Its more like an overcompensation on one part because of anothers failings rather than a compliment to each other. Its just one example - theres a lot more I could draw on. One thing Dave and Fab did when putting a team together was look for parts that fit together, this team looks very jagged edge to me. Appreciate they were missing their go to scorer last night but even he's a bit hit and miss for me. But again, Id qualify this by saying theres probably not a better time to start a rebuild than right now - and Steutals shown internationally what he can do and Ive no reason to think he wont learn quickly on the job. 3) I genuinely dont know the full extent of the answer here, but how big is the rebuild? I know Stronarchs in as assistant (and hes been out of the game a good while - is he out of touch at the other end of the spectrum to Steutal?) - but whos recruiting the team and how much help has Steutal had in other ways from people in and around the club and indeed how much does he want? Theres a good chance it could be a contributing factor. 4) And this is a big one, probably bigger than the above is the players themselves. They should be giving a right testicle to play for a Coach whos given them a chance to play at one of if not the best ran professional club in Britain. Theres a few there who really need to look at themselves. Ability I can forgive, and that comes down to recruitment in the first place, but attitude is a non negotiable and not something that's easily scouted. I think theres a few there in that Eagles team with a weak mentality. Overall - whilst its painful for the fans right now and yes theres a few obvious quick fixes for me, I think the benefits of a rebuild at this exact moment with one of the most exciting up and coming British coaches in the British game being allowed to learn on the job will pay off in years to come. Stick with it, despite how bad it invariably is right now. Who on the squad would you actually retain Bigz I respect your greater knowledge of basketball But BBL clubs aren't gradually re-building teams With good recruitment they assemble teams from pretty much scratch half the time that can compete from day one Recruitment at Eagles this season is arguably the worst recruitment in the League. If as you say the money is there (based on the number of changes already) then who is responsible for that recruitment? Are we blaming Steutel for the recruitment? Or just the coaching? Someone at Eagles has failed so badly with recruitment this season it's untrue? That's to follow up a squad recruited without Steutel who were almost as bad last season and missed the playoffs even with Fletch as point guard! The only constant last season and this season is the owner? Whether hes involved in recruiting or not. He's clearly paying people to recruit who are not good enough to do the job? Exactly who have they recruited this season that they would want back to be part of yet another rebuild or reboot? Eagles social media will be running out of names for what to call whatever they do at the end of this season? Is it possible to name a top quality player Eagles have recruited in last two seasons who they can start yet another "rebuild" around next season Or do they just start from scratch again? |
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